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ruff 05-12-2015 07:40 PM

Boo fucking hoo. Stupid fucking Republican.

Bladewire 05-12-2015 07:48 PM

His story is bullshit anyway. He can enroll in Obamacare until the end of the month.


"For 2015 only. From now until April 30th 2015 there is a one time extended enrollment period for a tax season 2015. If you were confused about open enrollment, and owe the fee from last year, you may qualify." Source: Front page of Obamacare website. Hahaha suckers! :D

Oh wait, it's May now huh? :cheers

So enrollment ended 12 days ago, this guy was so blind that he stopped working in December, but miraculously this story comes out 12 days past the extended enrollment. Hahahahahaha not suspicious at all

Joshua G 05-12-2015 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20472761)
I've had health insurance since 2002.

I simply walked into Blue Cross/Blue Shield and bought it. No "enrollment period" that I knew of.

And when I used State Farm (14 years ago) and now Farmers (starting 2008) to insure my homes...both companies tried to get me to switch over all my insurance.

Is this something that is new? I always used to see health insurance companies advertising all the time. And I never heard the ads say: "But you can only give us your money during a certain time period."

Anyway...it seems to go against the idea of getting everyone insured, and creates a window of time where some people will be uninsured. Kinda dumb.

hello sir. prior to the ACA, you could buy a policy any day of the year. but the insurers would say no-way-jose if you were sick. As the ACA bans denying clients who are sick, enrollment periods are the only means to ensure the actuaries can calculate a profit for the capitalist insurance companies who do nothing but add a 50% markup for healthcare services.

if people can enroll any day of the year, insurance would be nonviable & either most people would go bankrupt saving their lives, or we would need a national healthcare program like the VA or medicare.

so the choice is price gouging insurers, or medicare for all. Obamacare is a hybrid. medicare for the poor(at least for the blue states LOL), & subsidies to pay the insurers the price gouging part of their fees so its affordable to the middle class.

:)

DTK 05-12-2015 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20472603)
The fact he had diabetes should have made him ecstatic Obama care was available.

But instead he believed the lies Right Wing Legislators and Bloviators spewed ad nauseam. How those amoral pieces of shit live with themselves is beyond me.

TTI-Rich 05-12-2015 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20472603)
The fact he had diabetes should have made him ecstatic Obama care was available.

Yup. Diabetes can be a very expensive disease. Dumbass.

kane 05-12-2015 09:19 PM

If you go to his Gofundme page there area lot of people donating $5 with notes that say things like, "I'm a liberal and you brought this on yourself. I'm donating a little because I think everyone should healthcare. I hope this experience changes your politics."

And of course there are those bashing those who are donating and calling him an idiot who brought this on himself.

dyna mo 05-12-2015 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TTI-Rich (Post 20472874)
Yup. Diabetes can be a very expensive disease. Dumbass.

Diabetes is also a very sneaky disease. it's not the disease that harms and kills, it's the complications from it that do. combined with the difficulty of accepting that you have a disease, it's a difficult process to come to grips with having it and realizing you need to completely change your lifestyle to deal with something that may or may not happen later on down the road.

tony286 05-13-2015 06:48 AM

its funny a shitload of liberals are giving money to his gofundme account. Need help to save my eye sight by Luis Lang - GoFundMe

crockett 05-13-2015 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286 (Post 20473116)
its funny a shitload of liberals are giving money to his gofundme account. Need help to save my eye sight by Luis Lang - GoFundMe

Saw this one which was pretty much spot on..

Quote:

Let's re-cap shall we? You have diabetes, yet you continue to smoke. You let two open enrollment periods for the ACA go by without signing up for insurance. You were gainfully employed, yet chose to not purchase health insurance for yourself or your family. Now that you have reaped what you have sown, you expect other people to GIVE you to thousands of dollars you need for your medical procedures, preferably while you keep your $300k house. And on top of that, you want to blame Obama for your troubles. How's that "personal responsibility" thing working out for you?

dyna mo 05-13-2015 09:24 AM

i'm glad none of y'all are first responders/ambulance drivers. you get to a crash scene and don't provide first aid to the driver that caused the accident, because of,..you know, on account of him causing the accident and therefor not deserving help.

jtfc.

L-Pink 05-13-2015 09:27 AM

50 uninsured going blind.

crockett 05-13-2015 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473260)
i'm glad none of y'all are first responders/ambulance drivers. you get to a crash scene and don't provide first aid to the driver that caused the accident, because of,..you know, on account of him causing the accident and therefor not deserving help.

jtfc.

I'm pretty sure someone needing help at an accident scene wouldn't be blaming the Ambulance workers for his wreck.. That's essentially what has happened here and why people are scolding him.

dyna mo 05-13-2015 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20473265)
I'm pretty sure someone needing help at an accident scene wouldn't be blaming the Ambulance workers for his wreck.. That's essentially what has happened here and why people are scolding him.

1. fuck that guy and let him go blind and he deserves going blind blah blah is not scolding.

2. and really, so fucking what if his belief structure causes him to currently place blame on failed legistlators and legislation.

next time you're diagnosed with a fatal disease we'll put your reaction to it under the microscope so we can find reasons to tell you you got what you deserved.

Robbie 05-13-2015 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20472766)
Some of it may be what you are buying into. For example, since becoming self-employed in 1999 I have bought insurance whenever I wanted and had no enrollment period. However, in the past when I had jobs that offered health insurance I usually could enroll in it when I was a new hire, but I couldn't make changes to it or add people to my policy until the annual open enrollment period. I imagine those companies had some kind of group policy that had specific enrollment dates.

That must be it. I've never worked for anyone else...so all that I knew about was simply going in as a person and buying insurance.

And since Obama Care is theoretically a "group" purchase, that would explain the "enrollment period".

It's still detrimental to the stated goals of Obama Care (everyone being insured and of course the now forgotten "affordable" part of that which was supposed to make our premiums $2500 less per year from the 2009 price)

crockett 05-13-2015 10:07 AM

If only this guy had a pizza shop that hated the gays. He would of had $100 thousand by now..

Bladewire 05-13-2015 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473274)
1. fuck that guy and let him go blind and he deserves going blind blah blah is not scolding.

2. and really, so fucking what if his belief structure causes him to currently place blame on failed legistlators and legislation.

next time you're diagnosed with a fatal disease we'll put your reaction to it under the microscope so we can find reasons to tell you you got what you deserved.


UM ok , here's the thing. The behavior that lead to his current demise, will lead him to the same end again. He put off taking care of his diabetes. He put off getting insurance. His wife, with a husband going blind, refuses to work.

So he gets the operation, she wont work, he stops taking care of his diabetes again and what?

You do realize this is a political setup released 12 days after the EXTENDED deadline for Obamacare signup. We all know he's getting his operation money to relax. It's all a setup :thumbsup

Also remember, he stopped treatment because "I thought my eyes were better"

dyna mo 05-13-2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20473304)
UM ok , here's the thing. The behavior that lead to his current demise, will lead him to the same end again. He put off taking care of his diabetes. He put off getting insurance. His wife, with a husband going blind, refuses to work.

So he gets the operation, she wont work, he stops taking care of his diabetes again and what?

You do realize this is a political setup released 12 days after the EXTENDED deadline for Obamacare signup. We all know he's getting his operation money to relax. It's all a setup :thumbsup

Also remember, he stopped treatment because "I thought my eyes were better"

but that's not the thing. teaching this guy a lesson by not treating him because he'll just make another mistake in his life is quite callous and far from how civilized societies are expected to act.

the politics and timing of the situation are regardless to my observation of the mean-spirited comments in this thread. i'm really surprised you would think this guy timed his going blind to happen right after open enrollment so a to send a political message.

you = smarter than that!

Robbie 05-13-2015 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473313)
the mean-spirited comments in this thread!

What? WTF are you talking about? Don't you know that fake liberals/Democrats aren't that way?
They are all-caring and all-compassionate and have nothing but the best wishes for all mankind.
It's unicorns and rainbows and $15 an hour for the slacker flipping burgers at McDonald's.

How dare you question faux-liberalism and it's deeply felt love of all humanity!

Bladewire 05-13-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20473318)
What? WTF are you talking about? Don't you know that fake liberals/Democrats aren't that way?
They are all-caring and all-compassionate and have nothing but the best wishes for all mankind.
It's unicorns and rainbows and $15 an hour for the slacker flipping burgers at McDonald's.

How dare you question faux-liberalism and it's deeply felt love of all humanity!

I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative :2 cents:

I've said that so many times here but because I'm Gay people think I'm some fucking fag stereotype. There's a whole spectrum of Gay and a whole spectrum of Liberal :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I'm the kind of Gay that can fuck your wife good, and cum in YOUR mouth :winkwink:

I don't see investing in this mans healthcare as a fiscally wise investment :thumbsup

MaDalton 05-13-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473313)
teaching this guy a lesson by not treating him because he'll just make another mistake in his life is quite callous and far from how civilized societies are expected to act.

civilized societies all have mandatory health insurance that would have taken care of his problem

crockett 05-13-2015 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473274)
1. fuck that guy and let him go blind and he deserves going blind blah blah is not scolding.

2. and really, so fucking what if his belief structure causes him to currently place blame on failed legistlators and legislation.

next time you're diagnosed with a fatal disease we'll put your reaction to it under the microscope so we can find reasons to tell you you got what you deserved.

You are missing the point.. his mistaken belief in a political lie has not only cost him his chance at having health insurance but also tens of thousands of other peoples whom live in non medicare expansion states..

People like him, caused the issue he is now dealing withm

his ignorance and others like him have caused the issue he now deals as well as others in his same situation..


Also why compassion for this guy whom clearly put himself in his own situation, but no compassion for people getting shot by cops because they made a mistake?

Robbie 05-13-2015 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20473322)
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative :2 cents:

I've said that so many times here but because I'm Gay people think I'm some fucking fag stereotype. There's a whole spectrum of Gay and a whole spectrum of Liberal :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I don't see investing in this mans healthcare as a fiscally wise investment :thumbsup

I wasn't directing my "fake liberal" comment at you. :)

I was more or less referring to the current state of "liberalism" which doesn't seem to be what it once was.

Today's "Liberal" seems to be pro-govt all the way. The Govt. is infallible and needs to control our lives at every step.

I was a kid when the Vietnam War was going on and TRUE liberals were in the streets protesting.
You would have never caught guys like that sheepishly following any political party or saying that the govt. needed MORE control of our lives.

Sorry if my comment came across that is was directed at you. It wasn't in any way. :)

Robbie 05-13-2015 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20473323)
civilized societies all have mandatory health insurance that would have taken care of his problem

Having "mandatory" health insurance doesn't make a society "civilized". It only means that the govt. is in control of your life.

Not much to do with being "civilized" either way.

I'm not even sure why giving Big Insurance Companies billions and billions of dollars in MANDATORY sales would ever be considered "Civilized" in any way, shape, or form.

They are middle-men who drive up the cost of health care.

Bladewire 05-13-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20473327)
I wasn't directing my "fake liberal" comment at you. :)

I was more or less referring to the current state of "liberalism" which doesn't seem to be what it once was.

Today's "Liberal" seems to be pro-govt all the way. The Govt. is infallible and needs to control our lives at every step.

I was a kid when the Vietnam War was going on and TRUE liberals were in the streets protesting.
You would have never caught guys like that sheepishly following any political party or saying that the govt. needed MORE control of our lives.

Sorry if my comment came across that is was directed at you. It wasn't in any way. :)

I was being tongue and cheek, that's why all the smileys & laughing in my post :) No need to apologize at all Robbie :thumbsup

I agree about liberalism today and I think Clinton might bring it back to the conservative side, if not, we'll see who else there is to chose from on either side. Honestly if I had the same rights as everyone else I'd be more a conservative.

We all know this guy is going to get his operation & treatment. He's already at $10k in his gofundme. On one part of his gofundmen he said it was minimum $10k, another part he said $18k.

Either way, gofundme lets him take out any amount, instantly, at any time, and keep the gofundme going so he propably has already scheduled the surgery :thumbsup

crockett 05-13-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 20473322)
I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative :2 cents:

I've said that so many times here but because I'm Gay people think I'm some fucking fag stereotype. There's a whole spectrum of Gay and a whole spectrum of Liberal :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh I'm the kind of Gay that can fuck your wife good, and cum in YOUR mouth :winkwink:

I don't see investing in this mans healthcare as a fiscally wise investment :thumbsup

Get used to it.. if you don't fit the profile of hard core wing bat conservative then you are liberal around here..

I'm kind of the same.. I'm also for fiscal responsibility but because I think the Tea party is a bunch of loons and because I don't hate black people and I support health care.. I'm a socialist liberal.. according to half the conservatives here.

directfiesta 05-13-2015 10:55 AM

well, at least, he can keep his doctor :thumbsup

dyna mo 05-13-2015 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20473323)
civilized societies all have mandatory health insurance that would have taken care of his problem

are you really trying to suggest AMerica is not a civilized society? and then by consequence, this guy doesn't deserve treatment because we are not civilized?

Bladewire 05-13-2015 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L-Pink (Post 20473262)
50 uninsured going blind.


Bladewire 05-13-2015 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20473323)
civilized societies all have mandatory health insurance that would have taken care of his problem

By the time they get to him on the waiting list he'd be blind :2 cents:

Civilized :thumbsup
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh





MaDalton 05-13-2015 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20473333)
Having "mandatory" health insurance doesn't make a society "civilized". It only means that the govt. is in control of your life.

Not much to do with being "civilized" either way.

I'm not even sure why giving Big Insurance Companies billions and billions of dollars in MANDATORY sales would ever be considered "Civilized" in any way, shape, or form.

They are middle-men who drive up the cost of health care.

over here the companies that provide mandatory health insurances are not allowed to make profit (shocking)

of course they do in a different way but it's not in the way you are allowing US health insurance companies raping you

I stand 100% by what i said

and I don't feel like my government is controlling my life in regards to my doctor - if i want something extra that the insurance doesn't cover i pay it myself.

recently i had a blood test in regards to a tetanus vaccination - it cost me stunning 250 czech crowns - that's $10 USD

dyna mo 05-13-2015 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20473324)
You are missing the point.. his mistaken belief in a political lie has not only cost him his chance at having health insurance but also tens of thousands of other peoples whom live in non medicare expansion states..

People like him, caused the issue he is now dealing withm

his ignorance and others like him have caused the issue he now deals as well as others in his same situation..


Also why compassion for this guy whom clearly put himself in his own situation, but no compassion for people getting shot by cops because they made a mistake?

no, i'm not missing the point. what you just posted is my point. this guy is a human being and no different from most human beings when it comes to being diagnosed with a disease.

MaDalton 05-13-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473343)
are you really trying to suggest AMerica is not a civilized society? and then by consequence, this guy doesn't deserve treatment because we are not civilized?

i have read on this board about a 100 times "fuck him/her for not getting insurance" - that never occurred civilized to me.

X_X_ROB_X_X 05-13-2015 11:15 AM

Well that sucks but fear not Mr. Luis Lang, there is always GoFundMe as a Plan B.

Bladewire 05-13-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20473347)
over here the companies that provide mandatory health insurances are not allowed to make profit (shocking)

of course they do in a different way but it's not in the way you are allowing US health insurance companies raping you

I stand 100% by what i said

and I don't feel like my government is controlling my life in regards to my doctor - if i want something extra that the insurance doesn't cover i pay it myself.

recently i had a blood test in regards to a tetanus vaccination - it cost me stunning 250 czech crowns - that's $10 USD

Your country has a population of 10 million. Things are a lot different at 320 million.

America has 11.6 million immigrants a year. That's the population of your whole country, every year, adding to our system. :2 cents:

BTW I REALLY want to visit Czech Rep. soon. I've always liked the people and the country is beautiful.



crockett 05-13-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473348)
no, i'm not missing the point. what you just posted is my point. this guy is a human being and no different from most human beings when it comes to being diagnosed with a disease.

yet he blames his issues on Obamacare... perhaps had he eaten some humble pie and said I fucked up.. can you help.. but not he continues on trying to play on the an to Obama care bullshit..

He also continues on with his smoking and living in his nice big home while begging for handouts.. meanwhile there are people with the same issues as him whom live below poverty and can't get help, because people like this guy continue to buy into the right wing lies about obamacare.

dyna mo 05-13-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20473352)
i have read on this board about a 100 times "fuck him/her for not getting insurance" - that never occurred civilized to me.

is that a yes, you think USA is not a civilized country?

dyna mo 05-13-2015 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20473360)
yet he blames his issues on Obamacare... perhaps had he eaten some humble pie and said I fucked up.. can you help.. but not he continues on trying to play on the an to Obama care bullshit..

again i get it. while i am trying to avoid trivializing the debate with observations from across the internet, but he did realized he made a huge mistake and did try to go get insured. and Robbie makes a valid point that it makes no sense to have specific times of the year you can enroll and tough shit other wise.

but again, this guy made a grave medical mistake in handling his disease, that's no reason to wish blindness on the guy.

Bladewire 05-13-2015 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20473337)
Get used to it.. if you don't fit the profile of hard core wing bat conservative then you are liberal around here..

I'm kind of the same.. I'm also for fiscal responsibility but because I think the Tea party is a bunch of loons and because I don't hate black people and I support health care.. I'm a socialist liberal.. according to half the conservatives here.

Yeah some people tend to lump everyone to us against them, the ones that don't are fun to interact with :thumbsup

crockett 05-13-2015 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473370)
again i get it. while i am trying to avoid trivializing the debate with observations from across the internet, but he did realized he made a huge mistake and did try to go get insured. and Robbie makes a valid point that it makes no sense to have specific times of the year you can enroll and tough shit other wise.

but again, this guy made a grave medical mistake in handling his disease, that's no reason to wish blindness on the guy.

Group insurance plans have always had enrollment periods. It's nothing new with obamacare. So can I now assume you agree that every person should have access to healthcare? Meaning you are no longer aginst govt subsidized health care system?

MaDalton 05-13-2015 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20473361)
is that a yes, you think USA is not a civilized country?

i have posted a million times that i wonder why the US - as a civilized, western country - does not have a civilized health care system - like all the other civilized western countries (not saying that all those countries have a brilliant system though).

so here you have it - i don't consider the health care system in the US civilized - i consider it a cash machine that does not care about those that cannot afford it.

and the broad consensus at least among the right wing people seems to be that this is fine - i tend more to the "socialist" approach that guarantees everyone basic coverage - no matter what income.

and now - like every Wednesday - i'll go and meet with friends for a beer.

MaDalton has left the building.


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