If not for the Big Pharma, Big Insurance, and Big Hospital industries lobbying the Federal Govt. with hundreds of millions of dollars...health care costs in the U.S. would be like they were when I was a young adult and you would be able to pay out of pocket for all but the most expensive catastrophic health issues.

And that would only require cheap catastrophic health insurance.

This whole thing is created by Pharma, Insurance, and Hospital Corporations and made legal by the politicians for sale in Washington D.C.

no group insurance plan i've ever come across had an enrollment window.

you can obviously assume what you want since you've already assumed i've been against govt subsidized healthcare system.

Saw Medicaid mentioned above and how it's a state by state program. Medicaid is provided by each state, some of which are federally backed/subsidized? Correct?

What happens if a person is out of the state who's program they're under? Is he screwed or is there a program in place?

Have you ever had a job which you bought your insurance though their provider? It is an "extremely" common thing that there is an open enrollment period for 2 months then you can not make any changes until the following year.

The only exceptions is new hires whom have to wait 90 days before they can sign up and adding a new member to your family.. ie spouse or child.

This is a very very common and standard way of doing things in the insurance world.

Ok.

First the guy said he doesn't qualify for Obamacare because his income is too high.

Then he says all his ssavings have been drained

Then he says he cannot work.

So where is high income coming from?

based on what you are stating, if obamacare was like a typical group policy, this guy would have been able to enroll, since he's new.

Yet we had the opportunity to do away with that when Obamacare was first envisioned but Republicans fought tooth and nail against it and Democrats caved to their concessions and we get a watered down shitty version.

Perhaps if political parties stopped making healthcare a "political football" then perhaps our system wouldn't be run by big Pharma, Big Insurance & big Hospital groups..


This is how cheap big Pharma buys off congressmen

Top Recipients, 2013-2014 (Big Pharma)

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $357,173
Booker, Cory (D-NJ) Senate $308,150
Markey, Ed (D-MA) Senate $307,450
Upton, Fred (R-MI) House $302,700
Hagan, Kay R (D-NC) Senate $284,449

https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...us.php?ind=H04




Top Recipients, 2013-2014 (Insurance Lobbies)

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) Senate $588,075
Boehner, John (R-OH) House $529,385
Ryan, Paul (R-WI) House $466,678
Hensarling, Jeb (R-TX) House $355,014
Warner, Mark (D-VA) Senate $349,350


https://www.opensecrets.org/industri...us.php?ind=F09


No wonder Paul Ryan hates Obamacare so much.. He's been in Congress barely 5 years and he's getting almost as much as Boehner.. He gets paid to hate it..

Do you mean if a resident of State X becomes injured in State Y and needs Medical attention in State Y? In that case the State X insurance pays the State Y hospital's medical bills.

No because now he's unemployed and doesn't meet the income requirements.. The option for him is Medicare, but because guys like him voted for people whom would not add the medicare expansion in his state he now can't get insurance.

He can still get insurance by he or his wife getting a "job" or he could move to a state which had some common sense to add the medicare expansion to cover people like him whom need the entitlements.

crockett...you keep repeating that somehow "Republicans" stopped the beloved Democrats from doing what they wanted. Even though the Democrats were 100% in power with the Pres. and both the House and Senate.

That is ridiculous.

I still remember, by the way...seeing on the news that the FIRST thing Pres. Obama did when he started working on his healthcare plan was to call in the heads of all the big pharmacy companies and assure them that their price-gouging in the U.S. would not be affected by his plan.

They left VERY happy.

Republicans weren't even allowed to be in the room for that...or any part of the "Affordable Health Care Act".

Your argument is just plain wrong. You're trying to blame everything that your "team" does badly on the other "team".
And all of this "team" politics is what allows both of those ruling parties to hold hands and ruin our country.

I guess you missed the part where the Feds only subsidize the state's on this newly expanded Medicare for a couple of years.
THEN, the already bankrupt state's have to find a way to do it for themselves.

And unlike the Federal Govt., most state's have it in their state constitution that they can NOT deficit spend.

The only prudent thing any governor could do for his state would be to walk away from the medicare expansion IF they don't have the money to pay for it.

So you think that being Republicans get over 60% of all the big Pharma money & nearly 70% of the Big Insurance money has nothing to do with them trying to repel Obamacare?

If Obamacare is so great for Big Pharma & Big Insurance why aren't they giving more money to Democrats and less to Republicans whom keep trying to do away with their big windfall of cash? If they are so happy with it why would they support guys whom are trying to do away with it?

Again, you are sidestepping the FACT that the Democrats were in complete control when Obama Care was written.

I don't give a damn what the Republicans were WANTING at the time. And neither did Pres. Obama, Harry Reid, or Nancy Pelosi.

They locked the Republicans out of the process.

Focus Crockett. Open your eyes and see what really happened.
This law was created by Obama and the Democrats. It was passed by Obama and the Democrats.

Not one Republican was allowed to write any part of it and none of them voted for it.

The reason is because the DEMOCRATS were trying to get GOP support during the legislative process. More GOP votes would insure passage of the bill. That is why the Democrats made concessions that they thought the GOP would agree with. It turns out that even with these concessions, no GOP legislator voted in favor of it.

If they could to do it all over again, the Democrats should not even try to make those concessions since they did not need any GOP votes in the first place.

which brings me back to my point, comments that this guy doesn't deserve medical care and wish him blindness due to his political beliefs.

we should deny cancer treatment and medical care for smokers and people who live close to freeways on account of they deserve it any medical issues they get and they're extra stupid so they really don't deserve medical care.

The guy's political beliefs is that Obamacare is bad. So of course one does not deserve something which they think is bad. No one said the guy does not deserve medical care.

False analogy. smokers are not claiming medical care is bad.

yes, they have said they hope they guy goes blind and tough shit. go back and (re)read the thread. and it doesn't matter if someone thinks obamacare is bad. it's the government's program he realized his mistake and tried to participate.


false false analogy claim. i didn't claim smokers are not claiming medical care is bad.


anyhoo, feel free to nitpick my view, the simple fact is i wouldn't point my finger at this guy if i haven't walked in his shoes and had to come to grips with being diagnosed with a serious disease.

You did make a false analogy.

Because this going-blind guy did claim Obamacare is bad, and voted accordingly. That's why he deserves to be denied Obamacare.

However smokers in general do not claim medical care is bad. That's why they do not deserve to be denied medical care


So people are not allowed to make comments regarding another's self responsibility? Noted.

The guy found out since at least DECEMBER 2014 that he was having serious medical problems. The deadline to signup for Obamacare 2015 was in February 15, 2015. What took him so long? Probably hate for anything with the word "Obama" attached to it.

Interesting that the wife is blaming Obama for her husband's missing the 2015 deadline to signup for Obamacare.

Why is she not blaming the REPUBLICAN state politicians who refused to allow an extension of the signup deadline?

you think he deserves being denied access to affordable healthcare because he disagrees with the law. i get it. it doesn't matter to you that that is the legal way for him to have gone about it.

and again, you false analogy claim is false. i'm not going to trivialize my posts here by sorting you out on that. so feel free to think ya gotcha'd me. congrats on that too, really.

people are more than free to make comments on others. you'd spend a lot of time searching for a post of mine claiming that people don't have the right to speak their minds. again, you fail are realizing the dialogue going on here. no biggie, but again, don't expect me to explain basics to you.

No they did not. If you look back at that time...the Republicans were raising hell because they were COMPLETELY locked out of the process.

Reid and Pelosi made ZERO concessions. You are citing misinformation based on speculation. What really happened was well documented nightly on the news and in every newspaper in the U.S.

Remember...the President also promised that the entire process would be broadcast live on CSPAN. Instead it went straight behind closed doors where DEMOCRATS cut all the deals with Pharma, Insurance, and Hospital Corp.'s

Rewriting history doesn't work. What happened is documented. And the results are here right now.

[QUOTE=crockett;20473337]Get used to it.. if you don't fit the profile of hard core wing bat conservative then you are liberal around here..[quote]

Amen.

how many life-altering fatal diseases have you been diagnosed with and had to take life-changing action on?

Yes, if he hates Obamacare, then he does not deserve Obamacare. All his medical treatment should be obtained outside Obamacare.

I don't think I "gotcha'd" you. I think you made a false analogy.

You said you won't point your finger. Don't expect others to take such a hands off approach when considering another's willful disregard for self responsibility.

:thumbsup

What do you think about this guy?



Just asking, just asking..

Why do you keep making excuses for this guy? He had EVERY opportunity to sign up for healthcare and didn't even after he knew he was sick he could have signed up. Why is it personal responsibility only matters when talking about inner city blacks?

I already made a thread about my high blood pressure which is known as the "silent killer".

compassion comes from my being able to view the situation from a non-political perspective and strictly medical.

i don't give a shit what color this guy is, red or blue
i don't give a shit what he thinks of obamacare
i don't give a shit if he mishandled his reaction to his disease.
i don't give a shit if he missed a window of opportunity for affordable healthcare.

i do give a shit that he's fallen through the cracks of what madalton has pointed out- that this is supposedly a civilized health system when it's hardly civilized if it denies access and to top it off full of uncivilized viewpoints about this guy deserving what he's got.

wait, so you checking your blood pressure after neglecting it for a year only to find out it's high so your life-changing effort is to start a thread telling others to check their's? because you neglected your's? and that's you reaction to a diagnosis of a severe disease? you did get diagnosed with a disease right? and to top it all off, that makes it's OK for you to judge this guy.

again, i already got where you are coming.

Our country's health system DID NOT deny the guy access to affordable health care.

It was his state's REPUBLICAN politicians who denied him access to affordable health care when they refused to extend the 2015 signup deadline.

No, once I discovered my condition, my life changing effort was to go to the hospital to get on the correct medications and to correct my daily habits.

In contrast, the going-blind guy refused to sign up for Obamacare the moment he discovered his medical condition.

Where did you read that the REPUBLICANS refused to extend the 2015 deadline?
All I saw was that they voted against bankrupting their state with the medicare expansion (because the Feds only pay for it the first few years...then it 100% becomes a burden on the state)

I think you might be mixing up the "enrollment deadline" (which shouldn't even exist) with "medicare expansion"
2 completely different issues.

jtfc, give it rest tclgirls. i never fucking said what you are claiming here.

as i've stated at least 2x here unequivocally, i am looking at his medical condition regardless of his political views, or mine and certainly not your's.

the simple fucking fact is for whatthefuckever fucking reason, he's been denied access to AHA. he's fallen through the cracks and you think he deserves that.

You are right on that, I confused the two, they are different.

which heart disease were you diagnosed with?

I never said he deserves to fall through the cracks.

What I said was he deserves what he wanted. He wanted to pay all his medical bills by himself and no Obamacare. (Even now he blames Obama) So he deserves what he wanted...to pay all his medical bills by himself and no Obamacare.

Sight is a luxury.

If you can't afford to keep it, you lose it. Simple :thumbsup

Thankfully none. You asked me what "life-altering fatal diseases" I have been diagnosed with. Hypertension causes life-altering fatal diseases.