Those were questions.

you state that like you think i don't know that.

Really?

"Generally, diabetics don't develop diabetic retinopathy until they have had diabetes for at least 10 years. But it is unwise to wait that long for an eye exam."

Diabetic Retinopathy and Diabetes-Related Eye Problems [Videos]

So you're in favor of removing the enrollment window altogether and allowing people to signup for Obamacare 365 days a year? Not saying that would be a bad idea necessarily, just trying to figure out where you're coming from here.

you think 10 years is a long time for a chronic illness? tell that to the infants with diabetes or heart disease. you think that 10 years starts when the illness is first diagnosed? tell that to this guy who has serious diabetic complications within a year of diagnosis and his eye issues were the results of several mini-strokes.

again, you truly have no idea what you are going on about and who you are going on about with re: diabetes and especially retinopathy.

That means your comment to me, "you have literally no idea what you are talking about. again" was a non-sequitur... because the questions I asked were not definitive statements. I was asking you the question.

Yes I think 10 years is long enough for a person to complete the 5 stages of acceptance.

From what i've read in other stories he admits to never having and not believing in insurance, but now he's begging and everyone else is at fault. ….. I'm leaving this thread with a photo of him taken for this story and the fucker has a pack of Marlboro Menthol's in his pocket. Really?


edit: I do wonder if this guy drove a Prius with an "Obama" sticker on it and said he just forgot to enroll if the majority of the posts would have a different slant? Are most of the opinions purely political? People getting back at a conservative? Worth thinking about. (But the fucker still has a pack of cigs in his pocket)


http://i.imgur.com/PACC5Xe.jpg


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i've been drawn away from my original point, which was pointing fingers at this guy and claiming he deserves going blind due to his political beliefs doesn't help.

it very well may be that enrollment should happen year round, the fact is this guy was denied access when he needed it and that should be a concern for anyone. perhaps better marketing, perhaps expanding the window, either way, i think it's important to look at how a system designed to allow more people access can allow more people access.

your questions were like asking someone why is the sky neon pink.

speaking of non-sequiturs

you go from making generalities about eye complications for diabetics to spinning that into giving someone with a chronic disease 10 years to come to emotional grips with it.

you need to point and shoot logic. shotgun blasts don't work.

That's another false analogy.

A person who asks "why is the sky neon pink" is already assuming that the sky is neon pink.

However, in the questions that I asked you, I did not assume anything. I simply asked you how long should it take for a person to complete the 5 stages of acceptance in regards to a diabetes diagnosis.

this is where i am coming from, from the article kane posted:

A staffer with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services emailed the Observer to say Lang?s case had been ?discussed here in DC at a fairly high level? in hopes of finding a solution. If the family income were to rise above the poverty level ($15,730 for a couple), he could qualify for special enrollment, the staffer said.

For Lang?s doctor, the overwhelming feeling is frustration at knowing that one of his patients could lose his sight for lack of a way to pay for care that?s readily available in modern American society.

?That?s probably the worst thing that can happen to someone outside of death,? Edwards said. And he added that if Lang doesn?t get help now, he?s likely to end up dependent on the government: ?It?s extremely costly to let a person go blind.?


Edwards says it?s not uncommon to see patients who don?t take the treatment regimen seriously until they?re facing major problems.

Read more here: Who should save sight of SC man who can't afford surgery?


finding a solution and realizing this guy is a human being are my points in this thread.

I did not give anyone 10 years to come to emotional grips with anything. I said that 10 years was enough time to come to grips with a diabetes diagnosis. In fact, that is much more than enough time. I would give someone a maximum of 1 year at most to come to the grips with the fact that he/she has diabetes.

now what?

you look like a vindictive person intent on proving points that have absolutely nothing to do with anything while i'm trying to make points about how it's OK to care about someone's medical condition who made poor choices and has a different political view.

if you need to win that bad, no biggie. you win. congrats! yay!! you are the new GFY false analogy go-to guru! wow, congrats.

speech!

No one here ever said that it is not ok to care about someone's medical condition who made poor choices and has a different political view. If you want to care about that, go ahead, no one is stopping you from doing so...nor is anyone criticizing you for caring.

my old man smoked for years after he was diagnosed with copd and that diagnosis came years after he actually started having lung problems. say what you will about him but he was not a dumbass, he was director of space shuttle simulator computer management at NASA JSC amongst other things.

my mom continued smoking (in the house!) after his diagnosis.

again, you are missing the dialogue.

I already read the dialog.

You care about this guy. No one criticized you for caring.

Some other people don't care. You have criticized them for not caring.

strange how posters say he should have been able to register to ACA at any time ...

So basically, you wait to have a medical condition, and only then you register ....

I'll try that for my car : once it has repairs to be done, I will register for an extended warranty ( insurance ) .

Guy is a moron and a douche bag :2 cents:

no, my view was generalized and criticized in this thread. and no i didn't criticize some for not caring, i criticized them for making mean spirited comments in this thread and then let it be known it's OK to care about this guy's medical condition.

but you conveniently left out your pointing out false analogies, and that other stuff you needed to go off on etc et al! that was important to you. again, don't drop the ball like that.

so the window is to keep the profits solid for insurance corps, and it keeps pesky gamers out, you know the ones that get diseases.

Those who made mean spirited remarks, do not care for this guy's condition.

And again, no one criticized you for caring, or even disputed the validity of your care. We all understand that you care about this guy's medical condition. So to belabor that point is irrelevant.

Yea I left it out given that I thought it was already abundantly clear.

what now?

I simply made a statement. You can decide for yourself "what now"...you certainly should not need my guidance on that.

i got the impression you wanted to hug it out or something and was giving you an opportunity to get it all out of your system here in this thread.

so cool then, you're done.

:thumbsup

hug what out...get what out?

I am simply responding to posts...not getting anything out of my system. And I wouldn't say I am done...b/c if anyone posts something that I feel like replying to, I might reply.

again, the dialogue... you're done trying to poke holes in my previous comments.

I'm not trying to poke holes in your previous comments (other then the two false analogies you made and your claim that I do not know what I am talking about when I said it takes years for diabetes to cause blindness).

You stated its OK to care about this guy's medical condition. No one is poking holes in your statement

In the end it appears he will get his surgery and not even have to have a garage sale to pay for it. Thats the power of the press I suppose but he does in fact have nobody to blame but himself. As was pointed out he was thrown a life saver, which he refused.

its interesting to see the all or nothing approach here to the whole obamacare thing.
the healthcare system was in a bad situation and Universal care was never going to fly so they had to take what they could get and there is no doubt that insurance and big pharma (and others) took advantage of the situation particularly since the primary authors of the thing were the insurance companies

In the end i think if you FF 50 years and look back Obama will be seen much the way that Tommy Douglas is in Canada today (Greatest Canadian of all time, he beat out Gretztky and Alexander Graham Bell) and I bet if you arent Canadian you don't have a clue who he is and what he did)....look it up...learn something

Bottom line if healthcare is a right someone has to pay for it, obamacare simply is the first step in addressing this problem it will undergo changes and I would bet in 50 years the people looking back will have Universal Healthcare.

Whether I agree with Obamacare is irrelevant I am simply pointing out whats happening and will happen as I see it.

This is the problem:

This guy wanted to spend his wealth on something other than healthcare insurance. This guy rejects the idea of universal healthcare for reason of a large tax increase.

He says he can pay his own medical bills until he becomes seriously sick and finds out he will need to liquidate to pay his medical costs. He now relies on the general population to pay his costs like a welfare client would.

I don't want to bash the guy for his health predicament -- even if he contributed to its causes but I will bash his philosophy of thinking that: ''If I can't afford it, the same government programs that I belittled will have to pay for it'' -- why?

Disclaimer: I paid over $12K for health insurance and related healthcare expenses last year (2014). If this guy could afford to live in a $300K home he could afford health insurance. He chose not to pay the medical insurance cost and gambled his health -- and he lost. Even when offered the chance to become insured with a preexisting medcial condition this guy decided where his money should be best spent.

Charities will give you a white cane and a seeing eye dog -- hard cash will buy surgeries or medical treatment to save your sight.

Why is finding a solution for this guy so important to you, but you routinely brush off any compassion for people whom get shot by cops? We have countless topics here on GFY where you and many others even myself joke about certain people getting shot and killed. Why no compassion for them, yet this guy has had every opportunity in the world and you want us to treat him differently because he squandered his opportunity and was a cheap ass? Why?

Look at the picture L-Pink posted.. Does it look like he has lived a impoverished life? Does it look like he has nothing at all he could sell to pay his medical bills?

He claims to be broke but is sitting in a very nice house with very nice things and a pack of cigarettes in his pocket. He is broke begging for donations but stil has the ability to live in a very nice house and buy cigarettes..

I'm sorry I have no compassion for him, because he clearly doesn't value his health as much as he values smoking or his possessions.. I bet he also has a very nice $50 thousand dollar car or two in his garage. If you get to the point you are in serious problems, you sell your shit and do what has to be done, that is called taking personal responsibility for yourself.. but not this guy.. it's everyone else's fault for his bad life choices and we should have just throw money at him because of Obama!

I just looked...even with the housing market prices not even CLOSE to what they were in 2008, the AVERAGE home in the United States is priced at $188,900

This guy ain't living in no mansion at $300,000

He probably made a decent living (you know, working hard to try and get ahead in life).
But "rich"? Hell no. And people talking about him spending all of his "wealth"...what "wealth"? lol

$300,000 a year isn't shit anymore. He might have had the money to take a unexpensive vacation once a year and maybe take his wife to dinner every week. Other than that...paying his bills and his taxes as a member of the middle class would probably take care of that money.

Well, he set his priorities and made his choices.
Nice house and a couple of shiny cars in the garage and no medical insurance.
If the guy lived in a trailer park and was struggling to pay his bills I could understand -- that clearly is not the case.
The guy is self employed -- medical insurance is a schedule C deduction off your gross revenue now -- he should have taken advantage of that -- he didn't.

$300k/year is not considered middle class, it's way above it. The average middle class household income for a family of 4 is $70,354. Taken from google.

This guy lived a very privileged life compared to most people in this country and he by his own bad judgment failed to secure his position and gambled with his future health. He lost.

Would you guys be trying so hard to make excuses for him if he was a minority whom worked as a janitor and couldn't afford insurance? Would you care about him or would you complain that you had to pay his welfare check? ( I know the answer don't worry because I've already seen the posts here on GFY)

The simple fact is if this guy wasn't on you guy's team whining about Obamacare, if he wasn't a moderately successful white guy , you guys would be trashing him for being stupid and not taking responsibility for his actions. The only reason you guys are defending him because it's made political because he cried about Obamacare and he jumped on the blame all his troubles on Obama bandwagon which so many of you relate to.

Actually, median household income in US (average household considered 2 adults and 2 children) is $54,203 as of March 2015. Median household income in NC where this guy is from is $45,150. The average wage in the US is $16 per hour. If this guy really made $300,000 per year that puts him damn close to being in the top 1% of earners (in NC you need to make $338K per year to be in the top 1%).

$300K was the stated value of his home and NOT his income.

Really? So let me get this straight...$24,520 is "Poverty Level" for a family of four. But if you can make less than 50 grand more you are in the middle class? WTF?

This guy wasn't rich at all. As I said, he lived a nice life and was able to get himself a nice home.
Like many of us, he didn't think he needed health insurance. He grew up like I did...with medical costs that people could afford.

Facts are...with the price gouging of medical costs in the U.S., it's damn near impossible to self-insure anymore.

He fucked up by not getting insurance. He should have been smarter than that.
But being a hard working guy making a decent living doesn't necessarily equate to making the correct decisions at all times.

I'm still wondering why ObamaCare has an enrollment period and isn't just available at any time? Especially since it's "illegal" not to buy it.

I think I'm understanding that in the PAST (you know the OLD healthcare system that this was SUPPOSED to replace)...people who were employed by others and on group plans had an enrollment period.

But...I could have sworn this was supposed to make sure that everybody was insured. Everybody.
And it was gonna reduce our premiums by $2,500 a year from what we were paying in 2009.
And you can keep your doctor.
And the writing of the law will be televised "live" on CSPAN.
And it won't cost the govt. "one thin dime".
And...you get the picture. lol

I'm just saying that this guy fucked up. And now he is going broke because he can't work, the bills are piling up, and he needs medical care.
In other words: THE EXACT THINGS THAT THE PRESIDENT TALKED ABOUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN HIS SPEECHES BACK IN 2009 WHEN HE WAS SELLING US ALL ON THE IDEA OF OBAMACARE.

Remember? Nobody should have to lose everything because of a catastrophic illness?

Yet, here it is happening. How can that be? I thought that Obama Care had solved all of this?

Not a defense of Obamacare, but if his his state would have expanded Medicaid he could have gotten that and he would be covered. Since they didn't he can't get it and now he is screwed. So in this case it isn't so much a shortcoming of Obamacare (although I would agree that it should be open year round), it was the people running his state playing politics that caused this.

Good catch. :)

He was probably making around $50,000 a year is my guess after looking at what he did for a living.

That is 5 or 6 times the national average household income -- not business gross receipts.

I doubt the guy's net business income was $300K and he didn't buy medical insurance -- that would be lunacy.

From the points made of this: This guy was highly leveraged and his bubble burst with his health deterioration. Retinal damage from Diabetes is a long term process so by not having preventive medical care -- blood work to check long term blood - sugar levels he got ''sucker punched'' with a late diagnosis of what may have been a preventable problem.

I just had a blood work taken today at the doctors office and the negotiated price with the insurer is about $110 the retail chargemaster price shown on the invoice last time (6 months ago) was $744! that is for checking blood-sugar levels. I am managing a marginal Type2 Diabetes -- spending money trying not to suffer the consequences. I had a opthamologist check my eyes immediately when the diagnosis was made -- he told me that it takes years for unmanaged Diabetes to cause eye damage. I know the score from personal experience.

Agreed Barry

My experiences or recall may differ from yours Robbie:

1. to make sure that everybody was insured. Everybody.

As I recall the projection was to cover most of the currently uninsured at that time -- some 16 million have been insured with Obamacare however (see 5.)

2. reduce our premiums by $2,500 a year

I hasn't -- mine have remained stable by my increasing deductibles -- others have seen increases. That's partially my fault as I was uninsurable for reason of preeexisting medial conditions -- in that respect I am a net beneficiary of the Obamacare legislation. I apologize :upsidedow

3. you can keep your doctor

I was able to -- my doctors and specialists were approved by my insurer (in network) and I pay more -- I chose a more expensive insurer that would do this. There were lesser cost HMO hospital networks that may not have allowed my personal physicians.

4. the writing of the law will be televised "live" on CSPAN.

False -- It didn't happen

5. it won't cost the govt. "one thin dime".

False. It does cost ''governments'' federal and state. But where do you want your tax dollars spent on better health or better bombs? Now we are spending on both so where are the priorities?

The increased medicaid eligibility is the net increased cost and that is a subsidy to low wage employers -- the welfare clients already were getting Medicaid -- the working poor didn't. I don't see how we can deny people that struggle to work at low paying jobs decent medical care at least they are making an effort-- welfare clients, for the most part, contribute nothing to society.

6. Remember? Nobody should have to lose everything because of a catastrophic illness?

Nobody that bought in to the Obamacare. If you chose to not participate why should you benefit?

I was just looking around and saw this:
"87% of people who selected a marketplace plan for 2015 got financial assistance"

Are those people slackers? No.

But the insurance companies and medical and pharma companies are price gouging so hard and the govt. "financial assistance" has become what I was afraid of: A gravy train for these corporations. :(

By the way , my own health insurance costs have risen from a little over $500 a month for 4 people...to $1020 per month for 3 people!!!!

And we are all healthy.

But at least as a man I can say this much: I am now insured personally for getting pregnant. Just in case I ever become the first man on earth to give birth.
Thanks Pres. Obama! lol

It's not a case of "choose not to participate". The feds made it ILLEGAL to not "Participate".

And to be clear..."participate" means being FORCED to buy a product from a company.

This guy definitely should have gotten insurance because that's the only freakin' way left for people these days. We've been forced to use insurance for every doctor visit and every drugstore visit. Every lab work. etc.

Not that long ago...I simply paid cash for all of that.

No way I can now.

And it's easy to see that the more middlemen get involved...the more expensive it's gonna be. And the more the govt. is involved with their endless supply of deficit spending money...the more companies are gonna jump on the gravy train.

This has never been about "health care". That's just a side show.

It's always been about MONEY.

search gfy for the phrase "we have a cop problem in America" and see how many of all of the results are in posts i make, then you will realize how wrong you are with your assumption that i don't care about people getting shot/killed by police.

then gofuckyourself.

OUCH!
crockett you just got schooled and bitchslapped by dyna mo

(you got served crockett) :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

it's just like you've told him a gazillion times you're not a republitard yet he can't seem to stop casting you as one.

he knows i'm not on the cops side when it comes to the cop problem in America.

I just can't believe that crockett did a virtual-world snarky put down of you...and you responded by taking him to school! :1orglaugh

Now all the girls are snickering after crockett had to slink away wiping the virtual-blood off his virtual-lip from the horrific bitch slapping he received.

I can only hope that somehow, some way...poor crockett can recover.

Probably not. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

why do you think people continue to do such things that they not only know will kill them but are actually showing signs of progression?