Porn Nerd... just to put my unasked for 2 cents worth in..

If I had an affiliate that wasn't a tube, and amongst their domains had my videos, unwatermarked, and monetizing my content with zero to me, even though they send me plenty of other sales the right way - I'd soon get pissed about that, especially if I had to keep asking them every day or two to remove it but having to wait 3 days or more. I'd understand their biz model if they allowed UGC, and actually give them more leeway if they were a one man band.

If they were a multi-million dollar concern, with plenty of staff to quite rightly handle their operations, and still acted like they were a one man band dragging their heels etc, I'd be more pissed off at their lack of business competence. I have nothing against tubes these days, anyone with half a brain can see they exploited a bunch of circumstances in their favour, and while their early days were an ass rape, we are where we are. They have the traffic, and can and did dictate to most what to do, but that doesn't mean I have to swallow that *and* the fact they monetize my content in numerous ways which mean I never see a penny of it. The offset of that is the type-in traffic of which they don't see a cut, so it kinda balances out anyway.

Dare I say it, you probably aren't aware of the internal 'you cunts' emotive response that is ingrained, even if only a tiny amount these days, in those who were around prior to the tubes and the truly gargantuan traffic grab they've accomplished. That's no dig - if you haven't experienced situation A, then obviously situation B is all you've ever known and A is just a concept, but that's most likely where others are coming from.

And for those who were around for situation A, similarly it's hard for you guys to see Porn Nerd's position because you don't know what it's like to have not experienced the before and after, and the erosion of monetization as we've seen it (not that there aren't other monetization methods of course).

So, group hug?

I would honestly have to check on that aspect. The corporate name is the same but maybe the contact info has changed.

I have used RYC for years now but their searches are limited to only certain sites. I do not use them for all my sites as that would be too expensive and not really worth it so they stick to the 'whales'. :)

Hugfest!! :)

Thanks for your thoughts, I always welcome them. Since I began late in this game it's true I only know a life with tubes. But I also understand the bad feelings and where they come from.

But I am a highly pracitcal individual. As I have said many times on GFY, PLEASE show me how to get 50k uniques a DAY (without cost) to my Network of Paysites that is PROFITABLE and I will drop all tubes immediately. But you can't, no one can, all the major traffic is sewn up now.

Sure you can pay for media buys and shit traffic and somehow, after losing thousands along the way, find a mathmetical formula where you can make a profit. But I have zero interest in that game. LOL So all I know is I try and keep my relationships as strong as I can and then "adapt" in areas I myself can control. That's how I've grown and survived.

But maybe others have great traffic sources, more resources and better insights than me. In fact I'm sure they do! My nature is to try and understand both sides but I agree after x number of days I would get roayally pissed too.

Are the videos still up tho?

There's the disconnect. The last 15 years of my life has been spent creating my own content, and living solely off my content via my sites. 15 years of hard work.

The question isn't if my DMCA was finally honored, the question is why does PornHub feel it's acceptable to not honor takedown requests for days, or a week, or longer?

Yeah group hug :) Thanks for your input, well said.

I've created this thread to bring us together and openly discuss what's acceptable and what's not.

I've said many times here that I admire what PornHub has done as a company (aside from stolen content on their site). As a business, their structure has allowed them a solid growth. I'd have no problem working with them in any capacity.

As you pointed out, they're a multi million dollar company , not a one man show. They have all the resources they need to honor DMCA's within 24 hours, especially from content partners they know aren't giving false take down notices. :thumbsup

Producing your own content then seeing it scattered amongst the tubes, so often 'user uploaded', must suck big time and be incredibly frustrating. And 10 days is way too long to respond, I agree.

The issue too is many do NOT fear repurcussions if DMCAs are not honored. There needs to be more teeth in the DMCA process.

I was just trying to correct your initial comment in case you had been operating under the assumption there was a fixed period of time that was mandated for a service provider to act on a DMCA notice.

Let's hope that's not the case

FIDDY takedown requests. :)

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^:thumbsup

Just yakking out loud here but it's really a shame that the giants of the tube world aren't willing to work with content/paysite owners to try and identify (and ban) chronic illegal uploaders. But of course they aren't willing to do anything to upset their wonderful "business model" either.

But in an ideal world...

There's not a great deal of motivation for the tubes to do anything. The reason for this is that you could count on one hand the number of rights holders willing to take legal action against them and you'd still have several fingers left to count with.

Fiddy Six spitballs at a knife fight

Good posts, good thread. :2 cents:

Sorry guys, call me partykiller, but I am not joining the group hug :2 cents:

The Porn Nerd: I don't really know you but what you did in this thread [I've just read the entire thread from A-Z..] is not my cup of tea. Especially posts of yours I quoted above. Using THIS thread for spamming your sig was not a good decision imo, but maybe there are people around here who share your views. I feel you have a strong intention to reply to this, but please do not. Hit me up on ICQ or email me or whatever, but don't continue hijacking this important thread. Please. :pimp

Big Thank You to those who quoted my long post, it means a lot to me. :2 cents: :thumbsup