people sing the concepts of Christianity created a moment = Christianity

that seems pretty clear and straight forward .... good luck with your thinking :2 cents:

Robbie only one fly in the ointment: everything you mentioned happens without Christianity

Can I add The Westboro gang to your list ?

What do you mean?

It was the Christian Church (and you can pretty much insert ANY religion) that was anti-science and burned libraries and killed anyone who dared to think for themselves.

Hell, they damn near single-handedly dumbed down the entire Western Civilization's gene pool just by killing so many smart people.

What do you mean it would have happened without Christianity? It didn't happen BEFORE Christianity. The Greeks, the Romans...they progressed. Christianity brought the Dark Ages and 1000 years of regressing backwards.

what Robbie said...

They burned over 50,000 (!!) women in France alone in the 13th to 17th century - go watch the video of that pilot getting burned alive by those savages, again in the name of religion, and then imagine it with a women. Accused, beaten, tortured

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"questioned", often raped, humiliated, degraded, starved, dehydrated, then led to a pyre and burned in front of her family, friends, and accusers.

Just for 10 minutes, I would like you to go back in time and watch an innocent woman being tortured and burned, watch her skin slough off, hear her screams and smell the burning human flesh, and then come back here and claim Christianity, or any religion, is necessary.

Most likely you'd throw up for hours, need therapy, have PTSD, and maybe rethink things. Imagine being her kid, watching your mother burn, being told you were the spawn of evil, hated and reviled all your (probably short) life, all so someone could take your few possessions in the name of religion.

Dude, I don't care what those scumbags have ever claimed they did. They also claimed to cure diseases they didn't cure, bring people back to life, win wars they didn't win, end droughts they didn't end, on and on. They basically take credit for everything good that happens, and kill or torture or lie to everyone else. Remember Abu Ghraib? That chaotic mess of a prison? That was the middle ages writ small. All caused by torturing devils who gained power by telling stories.

Communism is the same playbook. They all are. "Believe in this bullshit that has no proof or basis whatsoever because it sounds good, and surrender your mind and will to a greater power who will do all the deciding for you. "

this might be interesting for you Science owes much to both Christianity and the Middle Ages : Soapbox Science

and one for you because you're so sweet

The Dark Age Myth: An Atheist Reviews "God's Philosophers" | Strange Notions

well first off you're an asshole for making assumptions that I agree with Christianity, secondly I probably know more about the misdeeds of the church than you do, and third ..move on it's 2015

I just read that Grapesoda...I have to say that in my opinion this another attempt at re-writing history. Much the same way that the "man-made" climate change people do. lol

To say that the Catholic Church (and that was THE Christian religion at the time) was ever helpful in any way to science during the Dark Ages is just wishful thinking.

Apparently this guy is on a mission to change the way people think about the Church.
But to say that people weren't burnt at the stake for having scientific ideas...isn't the same as pushing scientific exploration. lol

The Dark Ages are known as the "Dark Ages" for a very good reason. And the Renaissance is called the "Renaissance" for a good reason too.

If the Church hadn't done what it did...there never would have been a need for a "Renaissance" and we would be 1,000 years ahead in civilization and technology.

When the Romans had more technology and a better quality of life than most people in the U.S. had in 1900...that says a lot about what the Church did.

To me...the modern day analogy is Islam.
They are just behind the Christian religion by a few hundred years.

But they are attempting to do the same exact thing as the Christian Church did in the Dark Ages.
Go backwards is the goal. :(

like you Robbie I had always held a very negative opinion of the church however I had to let that go...and the romans

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that seems to be up in the air.... I can state this with complete certainty: I would not want to be living in the 1900's.

I'm not trying to do anything because I have no dog in the fight...I came across the statement about abolitionist and Christians and posted it, then was immediately attacked... I for one would NEVER think anyone here at GFY was completely closed minded and heavily opinionate... like say a hardcore Christian :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:winkwink:

If I made that assumption I apologize - I usually reign in my posts but that one got away from me. And yeah, move on, but I have a weak spot for innocent people who were crushed and had no idea it would ever get better, like the kids sent to siberia by stalin. In that way I agree with Jared Diamond, i.e. that agricultural and sedentary civilization is the worst mistake humanity ever made.

I have to go with what I learned in college over 30 years ago in Western Civ and all my Humanities classes.

And in every one of those classes...when we got to the eras of architecture, art, music, and literature...the Church was large and in charge during the middle ages. And that's why there are no secular examples of greatness (plenty of Church related greatness though).

So to say that NOW...people are rewriting history with articles on the internet doesn't phase me or change my opinion.

History doesn't change. And in my learning experience...BEFORE people started trying to slant history...the Catholic Church was a monstrosity that was extremely detrimental to human development.

Christianity held back science and fought science every step of the way (they still are) Every major advancement in science has been made at the mortal peril to the pioneers who fought for their achievements. Christians were and are the roadblock to pretty much all forward movement of this species. But Islam looks like it's going to give them some competition in the regression dept.

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i'm not defending the Church's abominations, we would have progressed faster if the Church had been more progressive but please tell me these countries/civilizations which weren't under the influence of the Church during the Middle Ages that flourished?

We aren't where we are today without the role of the Church, you can't re-write history.

It's preposterous to think that Western Civilization developed into greatness, subjective as 'greatness' is, and that its' most powerful influence and institution had no or little role in it.

Maybe in the name of the religion, but that is pretty much it. It is too simplified method to put all that era's social things, problems, and so on, and say it was because of religion. That wasn't all jolly period with any standard. And I am not talking about ISIS.

There were no Western civilizations during the Dark Ages that were in a position to flourish. The Catholic Church was in control.

As I said earlier...I'm gonna go with the 4 college semesters of Western Civ that taught me history. And also the 4 semesters of Humanities (the arts) to form my educated thoughts.

I'm not the one trying to re-write history.

As far as our "greatness". It stems from the Renaissance and a rediscovery of what the Greeks and Romans did.
If not for the Greek and Roman forms of govt. there wouldn't even be a Republic like the one we live in now.
And the Romans were so far ahead technologically that it's ridiculous what happened to mankind during the Dark Ages.

This subject isn't one that I would think you'd want to spend a lot of time researching. But since I had to do it to get my degree (as do all liberal arts students), I know the history of Western Civilization pretty well.
Can't speak for the civilizations of Asia or Africa.

But Western Civ? Every person here who went to college knows what I'm talking about.
Western Civ and Humanities were required courses for a liberal arts degree.

Pretty much - western civ lost so many things during the dark ages, when the church had complete control. Roman architecture, metallurgy, agriculture, glassware, refining, engineering, etc was only really exceeded in the 1800 - 1900s.

All one has to do is look at the treatment of Galileo or Giordano Bruno to see what happened to innovators. That is why society stagnated, plagues were common, child death was over 50%, serfdom and starvation were common. Only after people stopped believing and started resisting the power of the church did good things begin to happen.

England is a great example. A regional power, after the dissolution of the monasteries gave the monarch control of its wealth, elizabeth I created the most powerful navy in the world. You no longer had a bunch of old pedophiles living off sinecurial incomes, you had money going to people who produced.

There may have been "other factors" but the church was the vehicle that drove it all.

The same Christian's who owned slaves?

The same Christian's who turned to passages in The Bible in order to feel good about being against interracial marriage?

The same Christian's who turn to passages in The Bible in order to deny gay people rights?

The same Christian's who turn to The Bible that says:

Are you saying Christian's are just hypocrites who pick and choose what they want to believe in The Bible to suit their own whims?

This!!!!!

Slavery is alive and well. The slaves just don't know that they are slaves. It's far cheaper to allow the slave the illusion of freedom and pay them a slave wage than it is to pay for 100% of their upkeep. We are all slaves, the ones who think that they are free just don't know they are slaves.

WOW!

it says this in the bible?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 24:44-46 NLT)

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Since slavery still exists in every country this thread is nonsense your local brothel is still full of illegal immigrants.

Indeed...few want to see the reality of their chains as they drive in the metal boxes to cubicles to work 8 hours at something they hate to return drive their metal boxes back to the bigger box they have a 30 years to pay for. Get up the next day and repeat.

It is pretty bad when you hate 5 days out of 7 and just sort of enjoy 2 of them...before starting the whole process over again...over and over and over and over... :1orglaugh

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You've nailed a profound point.

Imagine this... 2 x 52 + shitty vacation - 8 hours each week dreading going back on Monday... slavery is alive and well...unless you take the blue pill.

I've read some of Jared diamonds stuff and I'm not sure I agree with everything he says... one thing I always keep in mind is Napoleon Hill's statement: 'there is no understanding of man's inhumanity to man'

if I spent time thinking about that issue I would be sick inside with, not records and documents about the holocaust when I was around 10.... caused a real negative affect in my life. I stared focusing on all the inhumanity that I didn't let go of until my mid twenties. so believe when I tell you I'm very aware of the atrocities, I prefer to focus my energy else ware...

like a Vietnam once told me.... it was a story about his job in the jungle.... setting mechanicals.... mechanicals is the PC name for bobby traps...they guys would sit around getting high or what ever until hey heard the bang and the screams.. then all the guys would go down to the trap to see who got mutilated except the guy I spoke with... his comment was "I don't have a door in the back of my head, what goes in stays there. I don't want that stuff in there"

the stuff with issi that I catch is bad enough for me :(

I and don't place the blame on religion, I place the blame on the squarely on the individuals :2 cents:

enjoy your classic education Robbie because the new generation is not getting one...history is being rewritten :2 cents:

this is where islam pulled the creepy shit issi is doing...btw that's Judaism... not so sure there are any directives about slavery in the new testament...

this is funny.... trying living in 1320 and then cry about your life today :1orglaugh

(are you black? only group of people I can think of demanding a free ride)

So you believe that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father, and had to rape his own mother so he could be transported from Heaven to Earth via a teenage virgins vagina, can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

And of course once he was here the almighty and powerful creator of all existence that took the form of a man, just so he could allow himself to commit suicide using Roman forces to hang him from a cross and die, so he could be dead for 3 days and mildly inconvenienced, all so he could find someway to forgive us for sins he knew we would commit before he created us.

And if you don't believe in him he'll send you to "hell" the place he created just to torture his creations that refused to believe in him on bad evidence. And he of course has "Satan" to rule over hell. Satan the arch nemesis he knowingly created.... Of course he created his creations knowing before creating them that most of them would end up being tortured for eternity for the deeds of an average of 75 years..

And you find this all to be historically true and factual, and have no logic alarms go off in your head, but I'm a fool..

We can get into fitting 15,000 animals on a 500ft long wooden boat maintained by 8 humans all over 100 years of age, and the leader a solid 5 to 600 years old.. And how they disposed of the poop with magic powers granted by a god that killed everything on the planet whether it was innocent or not. Seems really "wise" Derp...


But please tell us more how Christianity ended slavery, when the very book you hold oh so high, never once denounces slavery.... double derp..

which part of "I am not a Christian, I am not religious" is giving you the difficult time understanding? :2 cents:

small fixes...

What you claim to be, and what you are, are two different things apparently. Do you believe that Jesus is your lord and savior? Yes or no? Do you believe there is an invisible unseen deity somewhere listening to your every thoughts and judging your actions? Yes or no. Otherwise why in the fucking fuck would you fucking make this thread? lol Cracks me up that there are so many god believers on an Adult webmaster site... lol :1orglaugh

I've never stated that I'm a Christian, that's something in your head that does not exist and never did exist.... I started the thread out of 'intellectual curiosity' ...don't worry this will never happen to you :2 cents:

say aren't you the guy that sucked some dicks to figure out if he was gay or needed money pay your hosting bill or something?

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Q. Do you believe that Jesus is your lord and savior?
A. Nope.

Q. Do you believe there is an invisible unseen deity somewhere listening to your every thoughts and judging your actions?
A. Nope.

Can I comprehend that the church/religious people, with whom I disagree entirely about 'religion' and all the rest of that nonsense, have actually done just as much good collectively as they have done bad things collectively? Yeah.

Would those good things have happened anyway, regardless of whether the church/religious people 'stepped up'? I'd say yes.

Would those bad things have happened anyway, under a different guise by different groups? I'd say yes to that as well.

Got some feedback from Jesus
 

here is the message


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and Finally


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No, you are thinking of your mom. I never had to suck a dick to pay for hosting, or like you had to, to atone for your sins to some fella with a bible and an erection.