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Va2k 05-31-2015 11:56 AM
WOW, if they are in the usa, and it's a lot of money, maybe it is time to take them to court! Just be 100% sure you have screen shots all emails to and from etc. Then again I am NO lawyer so don't know what one could do.
Tom

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sarettah 05-31-2015 04:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niktamer (Post 20486547)
You just cant promote MFC as you broke some of their rules and if MFC specially requested that you stop promoting them. It most be a solid reason as it rarely happen and its usually for clear offense, so i suspect that you do know that you been crossing the line somehow.

Nice. You reply and say that you think the affiliate is probably lying. :321GFY

Glad I'm not sending you traffic :thumbsup

OP, good luck. From the looks of the replies you got in email you are dealing people who have no clue what they are talking about.

Quote:
There won't be any changes for the revshare. You are simply not allowed to diffused with this program anymore, because we had a complain from the publisher concerning your diffusions.
Diffused and Diffusions ?? WTF ??

Quote:
dif·fuse -spread or cause to spread over a wide area or among a large number of people.
Quote:
Following a demand from the provider, we have find out that you are using My Free Cam without authorization.
Without authorization? It would seem to me that if Crak allows an affiliate to promote MFC then that is pretty much authorized use.

Niktamer - Instead of calling your loyal affiliates liars why don't you train your support people tp provide answers that makes sense? Nah, that would be too fucking easy. Much easier to just throw your affiliates under the bus. I mean fuck, you have thousands of affiliates what's it matter if you allow one or two or ten of them to be fucked over. They're all probably liars anyway, right??

:321GFY:321GFY:321GFY

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signupdamnit 05-31-2015 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SBJ (Post 20486861)
I would NEVER do PPS for cams! I'm not even sure what some call a whale in cams but when I can make over $2-3K a year off just ONE guy it proves the point cams is for rev share.
Generally that is true but just earning the money in the stats admin counts for nothing if it never actually reaches your bank account. :) That happens all too often these days...

Plus to get paid for whales you are relying on the honesty of the sponsor. PPS gives the affiliate some more control whereas with revshare you're stuck for the long haul. Hey it's an old debate though. Everybody has their opinions. Right now I'd probably consider Crak a PPS or PPL sponsor only and not do revshare with them.

epitome 05-31-2015 07:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kazbalah (Post 20486577)
Perhaps someone could build a peer to peer affiliate program, on the bitcoin architecture.

Have it decentralized, so no one controls the money. No scams, no funds in motion, no fraud - There is a free million dollar idea for someone :)
Yes, because the guy that is two clicks away from tubes and torrents full of free porn is going to take time to learn about Bitcoin and how to convert his hard earned dollars to a virtual currency he has no faith in.

Even if the affiliate program is Bitcoin based, you'd still have people pay for the service with credit cards and a ton of potential for abuse.

Focus 05-31-2015 07:36 PM
Its part of the game someone fuck u in this industry u blacklist them and go forward mate. Go try with chaturbate or streamate, good luck

rowan 05-31-2015 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20486607)
Over the years I have avoided revshare unless that is all they offer. After crunching numbers I never really made that much more with revshare and one too many times I worked my ass off to build up a decent number of rebills only to have the site close and they all go to waste.
Are you talking about general paysites, or more specifically, pay per minute webcams? Long term income for the latter can be much more significant. I just looked at stats for the past 13 years on a revshare webcam sponsor. My traffic has generated on average revenue of nearly $1 per click. Average per-member spend is $547; I've received between 10% to 30% of that. These simple figures would be distorted somewhat by changes in traffic and usage patterns over the years, but it gives you some idea of the long term value of a webcam member.

Takes a long time to build up a webcam member base - you could send traffic for months before the effective per-member revshare payout exceeds that of PPS - but, assuming the program is in it for the long haul, and isn't going to stiff you by closing your account and keeping all future revenue, you can make a nice long term profit. I guess the tricky bit is finding programs that will accept and continue to pay for your traffic for years to come. :thumbsup

DVTimes 06-01-2015 12:47 AM
bump 4 you.............

AmeliaG 06-01-2015 05:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SBJ (Post 20486861)
I would NEVER do PPS for cams! I'm not even sure what some call a whale in cams but when I can make over $2-3K a year off just ONE guy it proves the point cams is for rev share.
Yes. What he said.

NewNick 06-01-2015 05:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kazbalah (Post 20486577)
Perhaps someone could build a peer to peer affiliate program, on the bitcoin architecture.

Have it decentralized, so no one controls the money. No scams, no funds in motion, no fraud - There is a free million dollar idea for someone :)
Yeah sounds great, cos no one ever got their Bitcoins "motioned".

:2 cents::thumbsup:2 cents:

mopek1 06-01-2015 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by rowan (Post 20487200)
I guess the tricky bit is finding programs that will accept and continue to pay for your traffic for years to come. :thumbsup
Any recommendations from your years of experience?

PAR 06-01-2015 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by BAKO (Post 20486794)
You must of done something real stupid to get banned.
If that was he case then Leo (MFC) would have told Crak what he did and they would have banned his crack account fully, not for just MFC.
Let alone that Leo would not be still paying the guy is revshare, if it was fraud then then revshare would have been cut to cover the loss.

For fun less say someone knew what they were doing was wrong, they then don't setup for long term cash flow they setup PPS or PPL and get the cash up front.

From what Nik has said here they just asked to stop promoting MFC, but that all current revshare will keep getting paid etc.

Personally if I was Zakash I would let Nik look into it and get back to me, I would then contact MFC directly and see if there was something that could be done to promote them directly outside of Crak. (Not saying anything is wrong with Crak but sometimes it is best to have a direct relationship)

crak_vince 06-01-2015 12:05 PM
Hi Zakash,

I just contacted you by IM and email with all the details regarding the termination request of your account by MFC.

I won't share those on the public space, I'll leave that to you if you wish so.

Lastly, apologies for the very poor way it was communicated, this has been adressed with the support team.

Feel free to hit me up directly if you have further questions on this matter.

Thanks,

Vincent

Zakash 06-01-2015 12:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crak_vince (Post 20487735)
Hi Zakash,

I just contacted you by IM and email with all the details regarding the termination request of your account by MFC.

I won't share those on the public space, I'll leave that to you if you wish so.

Lastly, apologies for the very poor way it was communicated, this has been adressed with the support team.

Feel free to hit me up directly if you have further questions on this matter.

Thanks,

Vincent
Thanks mate, i will check that. but as nick said, i should get my renevue from all the old members? As right now i dont get it...

sarettah 06-01-2015 03:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by crak_vince (Post 20487735)
Lastly, apologies for the very poor way it was communicated, this has been adressed with the support team.
:thumbsup

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itx 06-02-2015 01:02 PM
What was the solution?, I was thinking about pushing Crakrevenue but with issues like this i doubt and stay with the reliable cam sponsors.

MLjeff 06-02-2015 01:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zakash (Post 20486455)
As far as CR team pretty much ignoring me i guess this is the only place to get my answers (Must say that Eric from the forum tried to help me, Thanks mate).
Just want to be clear, i'm not mad at CR or MFC i just want to understand what is going on... i still working with CrakRevenue on new projects and still sending them traffic to other offers.

So Here is my story:
-I'm working with CrakRevnue for two years promoting MyFreeCams(Revshare).
-I send them really good traffic, each person that clicks on my ad is looking for cam site (Registrations 1:58, Conversions 1:17)
-As long as i was getting 15%, i guess MFC earned from my traffic aprox 200k$+.

While i'm enjoying my revenue and building myself stable income (for fuck sake, i just rented a house for year and have no idea how i will pay for him now) yesterday i'm getting this email:
"Hello,

Following a demand from the provider, we have find out that you are using My Free Cam without authorization. We to remove this program from your products. It is not a ban, we were simply asked to have this program removed from your account. Since you are interested in using cam products, there are a lot of other products you can use.

Hope you understand our motive."

Can you guys understand something from that? Neither do i.

So i replied to the mail and asked two questions:
1. Why
2. What would happen with all the registered user to MFC from my traffic (Lifetime revshare??)

The answer was even more confusing:
"Hello,

There won't be any changes for the revshare. You are simply not allowed to diffused with this program anymore, because we had a complain from the publisher concerning your diffusions.

Regards"

huh? so once again i replied why and just wanted to recheck about the life time revshare, no answer.

So i connected Eric from GFY and he did tried to help me but he said the support team is already on this and they should contact me but the tickets keep getting closed by someone.

So i asked Eric one question and got my answer. The question was do i keep get my Commission? and the answer killed me:

"From my understanding... and I'm sorry to report-- it looks like it's a no. When a provider requests we remove someone from a program, they have their reasons, and it's them who stops paying -- stops paying both you and I, as we're a CPA network."

Ok so here is my questions to you guys:
*Lets say they had reason to ask CM to remove MFC from my products (Can't think about one, but i don't care to stop sending my traffic to them and try a new place)
Can they just stop paying me after two years of building my revshare base? once again, i didn't broke any TOS rule of CM.
They can just remove anyone without explain CM why they want to remove him ("they have their reasons" and as far as i know CM can't explain me neither)?

I know that if CM will want to close that case they can just ban me for some reason (anyone can find any reason to do that) but i just want what is mine, for the last two years i worked hard to build this and MFC can choose to not work with me anymore but they can't ignore the deal we had when i sent them my traffic.
I still can see on CM under the "Re-bills" the cut i should get from them but one big zero in the commission...
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Zakash 06-02-2015 02:17 PM
Hey guys so here is quick update as im moving for my new aprt and i dont have any time to seat and write proper update.

Vincent spoke with me and we worked it out. I not going to work with MFC anymore as that what they asked byt i will keep get my renevue from my old leands.

Must say thanks to Vincent for the quick help, i'm will stick with crak but won't promot cam site there. I guess Dating PPS and the new teen tube can work for me.

I must say that was my first issue with Crak and im must thanks to you guys that helped me out here aswell.

Will update more soon, Alex.

Crak_Eric 06-02-2015 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zakash (Post 20488595)
Vincent spoke with me and we worked it out. I not going to work with MFC anymore as that what they asked byt i will keep get my renevue from my old leands.

Must say thanks to Vincent for the quick help, i'm will stick with crak
Alex, thanks for the update.

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Originally Posted by itx (Post 20488552)
What was the solution?, I was thinking about pushing Crakrevenue but with issues like this i doubt and stay with the reliable cam sponsors.
Hi itx, we understand your concern but please know this is not a common occurrence; as Nick said, this rarely happens in our experience. In the end, this was a request from the provider - which IS a very reliable and reputable sponsor. This would have happened regardless of whether he was working with MFC directly or with us. But Vincent has explained this to Alex in more detail.

Glad to see a resolution! Thanks again for the update.


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