Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20490050)

And they trained you to shoot for the legs?

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 20490061)

I would rather not have the guilt of killing someone hang with me the rest of my life I guess. I was taught that you shot to stop the threat. When that fails aim for the head.

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20490067)

Wow, head shots? The surprises the hell out of me. I kind of figured the chest would be a lot easier to hit under a stressful situation. And why would you have guilt about protecting yourself or someone else?

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 20489667)

Glad nobody died and you're safe but why not just shoot him in the leg? When ever I hear someone got shot in the face I always think about dumb and dumber.

https://youtu.be/ofQ6i9I1IYY

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20489692)

You really watch too much TV. Have you ever been to a firing range? Were there silhouettes that included legs?



You so funny

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 20490079)

As I said if I was in that situation I would have a hard time knowing I killed someone. That's just me. I have never been in that situation and hope I never am. I'm sure it's different when you are.

So to clarify. I was not taught to shot someone in the leg. The torso is where you are taught to shot or the first thing you see in a threat. Whether it's a leg, hand etc...

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20490125)

So you're basically saying that the cops did their job and guns are for pussies?

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 20490061)

I would rather not have the guilt of killing someone hang with me the rest of my life I guess. But that's just me. I was taught that you shot to stop the threat if they are unarmed. When that fails aim for the head.

Originally Posted by johnnyloadproductions (Post 20490207)

You forgot the :upsidedow


:):upsidedow:):upsidedow:):upsidedow:):upsidedow:) :upsidedow

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10 (Post 20490060)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

Originally Posted by Zuzana Designs (Post 20489876)

I was an MP in the military and have been to a range 100's of times.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20490118)

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20490386)

So the moral of this story is, "If I hadn't had my gun there and at the ready, this would have turned out exactly the same as it did."

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490459)

Sounds like you really really wanted to kill someone. Like you have been craving it for a long time. Kinda like I imagine some cops must feel after years (or decades) on the force and never getting a chance to use their service weapon - they must be just DYING for a chance to blow someone away, dreaming about it at night.

If you were as calm as you claim, no raised heartbeat and blast of adrenaline as that door was being pounded in? Then you are a sociopath plain and simple. And the "headshot" thing just means you aren't familiar with standard firearms self defense training.

You see stories all the time about bullets passing through heads and the person doesnt even feel it let alone go down. Also a head is a hard target to hit.

As I said before the odds are vastly in the favor of that intruder taking a shot or two then getting to you and a wrestling match for the gun would ensue - having a gun there would far more likely get your lady friend killed than protect her. The NRA's dirty little secret.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20490494)

and you are a fucking moron....

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20489984)

Rest assured I hit him with a .45 even if he is wearing a bullet proof vest it will completely knock him off his feet. I shoot at least weekly at the range I consider that a responsibility for having a concealed carry permit.

Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20490525)

It seems like you're just using this to get in that poor girl's pants.. Use your penis, it works better than guns, sir. :upsidedow

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20490493)

If thats your teachable moment so be it. To me the moral is that with one stroke of a pen I wouldnt have had the choice to take my destiny into my own hands, id have been left with no choice other than to be a victim if the cops werent there quickly....now imagine instead of a high traffic area we were in a rural area where the cops might not be so nearby...then what? Still think it would have turned out "exactly as it did"?

You wanna cower in a closet and wait for the good guys to come riding up be my guest, but don't attempt to take away my choice to defend myself.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20490493)

If thats your teachable moment so be it. To me the moral is that with one stroke of a pen I wouldnt have had the choice to take my destiny into my own hands, id have been left with no choice other than to be a victim if the cops werent there quickly....now imagine instead of a high traffic area we were in a rural area where the cops might not be so nearby...then what? Still think it would have turned out "exactly as it did"?

You wanna cower in a closet and wait for the good guys to come riding up be my guest, but don't attempt to take away my choice to defend myself.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20489984)

Three rules for me
1 treat every gun as if it is loaded
2 never point your gun at anything you do not intend to kill
3 once you point it never hesitate to pull the trigger

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490511)

OK you are entitled to your opinion but the stats are very clear about home break-ins and the overwhelming odds are that by you having a gun you are running the very real risk that you could end up surrendering that gun to the robber.

You ever watch videos of people actually getting shot in altercations? Or have you just seen it in movies? A jacked up on adrenaline human being can take several bullets and still be very functional for a long time. This statement makes you seem as if you watch a lot of action flicks and think that bullets always knock people down:



Why would a .45 bullet knock him off his feet? It wouldn't. It would most likely pass right through and and not slow his forward momentum at all. You would have to get pretty lucky at that close range and hit his spine or heart to stop him in his tracks. The reality is that you most likely would have been in a struggle for possession of the gun, and if you lost that fight, well then you have a pissed off and possibly mortally wounded maniac who now has a gun in his hand. What do you suppose he's going to do with his last few seconds (or minutes) of his miserable life now that he has your gun? Mathematical odds would far favor that you just got Melissa killed.

Read up on it people - thousands of Americans die for each life that guns save - THOUSANDS. The whole "got my gun for protection" is a scam, a myth. Having a gun in the house means you are hundreds of times more likely to die of bullet holes, or your kids.

The Second Amendment is a dusty relic that needs to be taken out back and shot.

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20489702)

I'm glad things went that way and you are a pretty brave dude.

And yes you may have killed him, or you may have got a bullet or 2 into him while he charged you and got your gun away from you - this is actually the far more likely scenario statistically.

Thats the NRA's dirtiest little secret and the fact they try to suppress the hardest: Gun owners are far FAR more likely to be killed by an intruder who has taken their gun away from them than they are to successfully defend themselves.

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 20490624)

These type of often quoted anti-gun rights aggregate statistics- even in the rare instances when they are true- are often irrelevant to an individual gun owner. For example, gun control people are quick to tell you that guns are often used in the home by family members in domestic disputes and that you are more likely to be shot with a gun by someone who lives in your own house than by a stranger or that your children are at risk for getting access to your gun and killing themselves or a sibling. But so what? I live by myself, scare mongering statistics like that don't apply to me and the loaded gun I keep within arms reach.

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 20490624)

These type of often quoted anti-gun rights aggregate statistics- even in the rare instances when they are true- are often irrelevant to an individual gun owner. For example, gun control people are quick to tell you that guns are often used in the home by family members in domestic disputes and that you are more likely to be shot with a gun by someone who lives in your own house than by a stranger or that your children are at risk for getting access to your gun and killing themselves or a sibling. But so what? I live by myself, scare mongering statistics like that don't apply to me and the loaded gun I keep within arms reach.

Originally Posted by sandman! (Post 20490579)

lol i was wondering when the anti gun people were going to post some bullshit

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490736)

"even in the rare instances when they are true" they are true in every state, every county, every city, every year.

What you call "Stats" intelligent people know to be Reality.

What you call "Scare Mongering" logical thinking people know to be straight up FACT.

FACT: The loaded gun you keep within arms reach is FAR more likely to kill YOU than an intruder. (and that's not including suicide or accident rates, just gun owner vs intruder)


It's backward enough to have the need to have a loaded gun within arms reach but Concealed Carry? What the fuck is this the wild west where anyone at anytime can murder anyone for any reason? With the incredibly high rates of depression, alcoholism, opiate addiction, mental illness, road rage, and just plain old dumfuckedness why the fuck are we handing out concealed carry permits to ANYONE let alone guys like MikeSouth who think it's heroic to be ready to kill without any critical thought, raised heartbeat, or rush of adrenaline. "Hey if I point my gun at somethin I gotta kill it"

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 20490624)

These type of often quoted anti-gun rights aggregate statistics- even in the rare instances when they are true- are often irrelevant to an individual gun owner. For example, gun control people are quick to tell you that guns are often used in the home by family members in domestic disputes and that you are more likely to be shot with a gun by someone who lives in your own house than by a stranger or that your children are at risk for getting access to your gun and killing themselves or a sibling. But so what? I live by myself, scare mongering statistics like that don't apply to me and the loaded gun I keep within arms reach.

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20490653)

Personally, I would never want to live somewhere where I am so afraid I need to keep a loaded gun within arms reach of me at all times.

I think these stats are meant to scare people into not owning guns (although some may wish they did), but they are meant to make things more realistic. Some people allow guns to give them a false sense of security and these stats shed a little light on that.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20490818)

that's the amusing part for me here - i read all the time how the country I live in is considered "eastern europe" (with a negative slant), people here called "euro trash" and the overall impression is that here it would be dangerous and backwards.

probably the same people that think Eurotrip and Hostel are documentaries

at the same time no one here would ever even remotely get the idea that one needs a loaded gun in arms reach

and gun laws here are pretty liberal compared to the rest of europe:
Gun politics in the Czech Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

still hardly anyone ever gets one

So I assume Czech people have a death wish and don't care about protecting their families

Originally Posted by baggg (Post 20490830)

Sssshhh,they dont need to know that.Just let them have that illusion that central euro is a place with no laws and people riding horses.This helps to keep the stupid and uneducated out.:thumbsup

Originally Posted by baggg (Post 20490830)

Sssshhh,they dont need to know that.Just let them have that illusion that central euro is a place with no laws and people riding horses.This helps to keep the stupid and uneducated out.:thumbsup

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490511)

OK you are entitled to your opinion but the stats are very clear about home break-ins and the overwhelming odds are that by you having a gun you are running the very real risk that you could end up surrendering that gun to the robber.

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490900)

In the United States, annual deaths resulting from firearms total:

2013: 33,636
2012: 33,563
2011: 32,351
2010: 31,672
2009: 31,347
2008: 31,593
2007: 31,224
2006: 30,896
2005: 30,694
2004: 29,569
2003: 30,136
2002: 30,242
2001: 29,573
2000: 28,663
1999: 28,874

HOLE E SHIT So we lose more people to guns in 24 months than we lost in all of the Vietnam War.

Gun Deaths now surpass even the car crash death toll.

Ok all you Scardy Cat Gun-Pussies afraid of your own shadow ask yourself this question: Of all that carnage how many of those killed do you think are bad guys taken out during the commission of a crime or assault annually? 50? 100? 500? And even that number is absurdly high only because the NRA's push to make guns accessible to any murder-nut that wants one no matter how deranged.

More than 30,000 deaths each year and just a handful of "good guys with a gun stopping bad guys with a gun" This wacko needs to be incarcerated:


I say it's time to END the NRA

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20490901)

where are these very clear stats and overwhelming odds? they are not on the internet, are you hiding them somehwere?

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490909)

Aw how cute, a first time search engine user :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490909)

Aw how cute, a first time search engine user :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20490907)

those #s are insanely overinflated, by 3-4x. according to the agency that keeps track

Originally Posted by JIBCONTENT (Post 20490920)

THE agency that keeps track? So you cite numbers collected by a US Government agency? An agency the bulk of which are of NRA Gun Owners? The same Government that the NRA spends millions to lobby and contribute to the campaigns to get elected (or appoint)Pro-Gun officials? What a joke - also those numbers don't include accidents or suicides (no not all the people who shot themselves would have found another way to die)

I personally knew 4 people who would probably be alive today if there wasn't as easy gun within reach in the house (including Earl Millers teen son RIP)

I'm out of this thread, have fun with your guns chickenshits

Originally Posted by kane (Post 20490653)

Personally, I would never want to live somewhere where I am so afraid I need to keep a loaded gun within arms reach of me at all times.

I think these stats are meant to scare people into not owning guns (although some may wish they did), but they are meant to make things more realistic. Some people allow guns to give them a false sense of security and these stats shed a little light on that.

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20490928)

so instead of easily backing up your comments with statistics, you impugn actual real statistics. :1orglaugh

and then you try and support your lack of information by exclaiming personal anecdotal tales and tall stories.

i'm not surprised you are leaving the thread.

mission accomplished.

Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20490818)

that's the amusing part for me here - i read all the time how the country I live in is considered "eastern europe" (with a negative slant), people here called "euro trash" and the overall impression is that here it would be dangerous and backwards.

probably the same people that think Eurotrip and Hostel are documentaries

at the same time no one here would ever even remotely get the idea that one needs a loaded gun in arms reach

and gun laws here are pretty liberal compared to the rest of europe:
Gun politics in the Czech Republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

still hardly anyone ever gets one

So I assume Czech people have a death wish and don't care about protecting their families