yeah, he will take their money and blow it off too :1orglaugh

Lets say you did write a newbie guide and stuff was wrong and people corrected him, is he not learning how it is done, even though he has his guide out?

Do you think writing one guide is the definitive answer forever? Guides get updated, worked on. If you learn something and stop learning you will die off.

The internet and its ever expanding technologies is about constant learning. Do you think that SE Guru's who write a guide will only write it once or will they update it? Go read some Guides about SE optimization from a few years ago and watch how fast your sites will get banned from google (and others).

Hell, when i lauched HostedContent.Com i thought i had everything ironed out, everything setup the way it should be. I build, lauched it and made something out of it and let me tell you, my learning hasnt stopped with this project. My learning curve, although not as steep as it could be is still a curve of constant learning.

To say someone is an idiot because they wrote something is just as foolish as him calling everyone a moron (and yes i did take offense to that since i had tried to help him out a lot) but do you take the time to single everyone out or do you tend to make generalized comments as well?

To make a long story short. Yes he has burned some bridges (havent we all?) and yes he is still learning and clearly is a newbie to the biz, BUT he is making the effort to expand and diverse into other fields.. if you dont do that that is where you will die.

If I had the money for 300k I'd try it out. anyway half the fun is in the process of getting to the end result. Would be interesting
to see the results.

But it still takes the effort of others to work.. lets say he
implemented his idea, who would he trade with, without posting?

You could have the best website in the world, but without the marketing, trades and effort you will go nowhere fast.

I would love to get into the production, deeper than i already am but why the hell would i go out and spend the 50k-100K USD to but together enough content to produce a content site (like paul markham or like matrix content) when i have absolutely no customers to sell it to... that means the content would just sit there and not make money.


If you can work with what you have to build up other ideas or make room for possible expansions then you're laughing.

First of all, its not that wasy to get (buy) quality 300k hits.
Either you end up cheated or with totally crap traffic.
And if he buys it from choker aren't they gonna be pretty much useless ? Most trading scripts count unique hits, and choker hits would be already traded several times over, so he's gonna end up with shit productivity for other TGPs.

Absolutely, but that traffic will get filtered out when it gets sent to his TGP first. That is probably why he suggested 300K hits instead of 20K hits like that other guy suggested.

Its too easy to look at someones work and say "this is how you make it better", but if you can manage to weed out the good advice over the flames (atleast in this thread) there is some pretty sound advice (imho) but i am no TGP expert.

notjoe I'm no expert and I can see several major flaws in his plan. Maybe one day I will know enough to actually pull it off, but right now I already know enough to understand what's wrong with is plan.
I could write a guide and then update it a year later because it no longer works, or because I learned new stuff, but I would never wite a guide that wont work since day 1.
Anyway, I agree with most of what you said in your posts :thumbsup

way more factors involved, before anyone purchase traffic for thier site it is very important that they get a good base of trades and have the productivity/layout down

key to getting better productivity is choosing the correct trades with similar layouts and traffic,

I don't know if this will change anything, but when I was looking to build a TGP Jenny gave me advice to build one to 100 - 200k within a week. The plan that he gave is just about identical to what lil2Rich laid out. Only difference...Jenny suggested using less traffic to get the site going.

I did what was advised and was able to put together a 100k TGP with $150 and about 6 days of consistant work with the trades...so I think that this lil2Rich plan should work too.

candyflip what's the url?

Dude what are you talking about? I sell uniques not raws. The traffic I sell to TGP's is some of the most productive traffic around. I am selling/sending over 700k tgp hits a day. How many complaints have you seen about the quality of this traffic? I work very hard to make the quality of this traffic very high. Even one of my strongest critics (Pipecrew) admitted it was good shit. Per click per dollar cost I guarantee this traffic is better than any other paid source of traffic on the net. Any other traffic broker that wants to challenge me on this can put up $1000 and I will put up $1000. Winner takes all.

As far as the business plan this thread is about, he is pretty close to being accurate, except 300k is probably too much, 100k should be enough. But before you buy traffic test your TGP out and get the best return to trades set up first. As long as you return is over 125% your site will grow.

check my sig too

... as long as your TGP doesn't suck.
Another thing... where is this extra 25% coming from? How can traders send more than they receive all the time? Where are these mysterious surfers coming from?

Never traded much yourself then :1orglaugh

No, I don't run any trading scripts (I don't use any blindlinks, and even if I did, I don't run Apache)... I trade, but I'm on the other end of the deal.

.... LoLoL .. kinda low dontcha think?

Easy answer - surfers click more than once if the CJ2 (gotta love the way they're all TGP's now instead) is any good.

400K/day = $1k-$2k per month income :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :helpme

At least he's not begging. Props for your contribution, lil2rich:thumbsup

It's the responsablity of the reader to decipher what's bound to be bullshit, not yours.

Yeah, some of those numbers are suspect (yes, I read the disclaimer). When I had two TGPs that only totalled about 75-100K/day I was making $900/month from Amateur Pages click program, alone. Too abd they couldn't get their shit together when I changed my address. To this day I don't use any of their programs because of that shit.

With 500K, even if you're sending a lot to trades, you ought to be doing considerably better than $1,000/month.

SpaceAce

OMG your making sooooooo mutch money:thumbsup :thumbsup
Listen and learn sleazy :thumbsup

I think you lie because the shitiest trade script around costs more than 150$. Plus you 'd need design and hosting.

You're right - I should have cut him some slack but after following this guy's history on another board and then watching his carry on here on GFY I found it a bit hard not to go into knee jerk mode.

Are you brain damaged? I wasn't bragging or teaching any lessons. I haven't had either of those TGPs for three years, now. I was pointing out flaws in the poster's numbers. Grow up.

SpaceAce

:glugglug

ok

Ive made/submitted a gallery, made/submitted 2 free sites and 2 avs, tracked 2 cheaters on my TGP and added 4 new trades ...


time to answer some of these coments since i see a new 1.5 pages since i last looked.



bare with me here ...

if im reading this right, you are correct in a sense.

I have applied alot of issues i have experienced myself to this "guide" but to get to the end result of "300k"i simply multiplied the results while "dreaming" i had the cash to fund the project.

I dont understand "you went downhill ..."

At what point did i go downhill? Trust me, im low enough ... can only go up buddy!

very true. I regret posting it not only because of that reason, but mostly because alot of the people reading it are a bunch of dumbasses.

It seems alot of these experienced guys i had pegged for "guru's" in their field have and demonstrate very newbie mentalities.

sad but true

jesus

I was going to write the same thing almost ot the "T"!!!

Damn thanks man, appreciate the support.

You think not eh?

What would you say if i told you i must have gotten maybe 50 people ICQ'ing me asking for more details?

Im a fucking idiot because i didnt post a resources section on bottom of post with my ref codes, or worked something out with choker, lol (not that he would have, lol)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sinfulone
[B]
If the offer has not yet been satisfied by another webmaster id be more than happy to discuss details.

Fine offer on the table and appreciate the confidence

:1orglaugh

STFU DUDE!!!

That was going to be my next newbie guide!!!!

BTW that one will have a resource page with ref links, lol and i will add "BOLD" tags to my disclaimer .... see? I learn from mistakes!!!

When did i ever say i know it all? Or have stopped learning or wanting to learn?

My attitude is all messed up eh?

I think your a fucking monkey that follows suit on BBS boards how about that attitude for ya?

Lets see what you have stated ...

Im broke + beg for banners + leave GFY + call all these dumbasses morons + one logical helpful post = im a fucking idiot newbie who has a shitty attitude and doesnt deserve someones opinion to be in my favor

hmmm

yep, im the one here with a bad attitude ..... your right


fucking monkey, AaronM and quiet said the sky is blue ... you agree dont you?

what makes you think every newbie in the world wont try this?

I have experienced, seasoned webmasters hitting up my ICQ for help now ... i always tell them im a fucking newbie, but fact still remains .... i got the wheels spinning.

Yes i blew $6k on an idea, and it failed because i didnt realize how hard it was to get targetted traffic to a merchant site. Just 3 days ago someone you know VERY well complimented my design and idea, said with the right marketting my dream would become reality.

Looking at http://www.pleasuredvds.com can you honestly say it doesnt have potential?

i just wrote a long ass post, then deleted it all to say 2 words to you ....

fucking jackass

notjoe,

Your actually right on the money ... it takes ALOT of webmaster networking to make this idea work.

For one thing, sure theres a few huge TGP's that will trade with newbies, but you need alot more than a few.

notice i said the purchased amount of 300k should avg out to about 150k self generated?

I may be new, but what little experience i have is in the TGP world, and this logic will hold providing you dont get completely raped on the traffic, and buying from choker i know you wont.

shit, sorry didnt see someone else said this first, lol


thanks again notjoe

my honest opinion? You havent examined the details of the plan. Had you looked at it thoroghly youd notice that yes i may be off as far as the numbers, but not FAR off .... i dont care what anyone says, the logic will hold given the right resources.

Im not saying it is fool proof as someone falsly quoted me, im just saying the logic is there .... i dont care what trades you add, what traffic you buy or what your site looks like .... buy 300k traffic and send it through a script, you WILL avg out alot higher than what you started .... basic trading knowledge will show you this.