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TCLGirls 07-15-2015 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20524847)
So all this makes you....not racist?

Apparently, the cut & paster is not one of the "sheeple"..LOL

crockett 07-15-2015 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524797)
you do know there were draft riots in the north, the invasion of the south was not really that popular

Yes.. Hence the reason they used the moral high ground as an excuse to fight the south..

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20524866)
Apparently, the cut & paster is not one of the "sheeple"..LOL

actually I was learning some interesting stuff and everyone EXCEPT you and bronco76 was civil and cordial with interesting info and positive opinions to add... well dynamo got a bit butt hurt... he's a bit tense though... no biggie...

I already knew that you were petty and low quality with nothing positive to add to anything :2 cents:

TCLGirls 07-15-2015 05:03 PM

Apparently, writing "loudmouth stupidity of the sheepeople" is not an example pettiness or low quality prose. LOL

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20524882)
Apparently, writing "loudmouth stupidity of the sheepeople" is not an example pettiness or low quality prose. LOL

that put there to keep the bm's out... worked too.. guess your pettiness and low quality was able to breach the gate :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh (aren't you the bicycle builder?)

TCLGirls 07-15-2015 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524885)
that put there to keep the bm's out... worked too.. guess your pettiness and low quality was able to breach the gate :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh (aren't you the bicycle builder?)



Apparently "that put there" is also not low quality rhetoric...lol.

GFED 07-15-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20524561)
I never said the South didn't fire the first shoots.. I said the war wouldn't of happened over slavery. If the south had stayed a part of the Union, there wouldn't of been a war just because of slavery..

IE.. The war wasn't over slavery but rather because the south's secession from the Union. Slavery was the excuse used to gain support by the north so they could claim the moral high ground over fighting former countrymen.

The people with the money write history.

TCLGirls 07-15-2015 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524885)
that put there to keep the bm's out... worked too.. guess your pettiness and low quality was able to breach the gate :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh (aren't you the bicycle builder?)

Oh you wanna go personal now?

So I am sure you would not mind discussing your time immediately following Sister Sister and your past interviews now would you?

dyna mo 07-15-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524880)
actually I was learning some interesting stuff and everyone EXCEPT you and bronco76 was civil and cordial with interesting info and positive opinions to add... well dynamo got a bit butt hurt... he's a bit tense though... no biggie...

I already knew that you were petty and low quality with nothing positive to add to anything :2 cents:

heads-up, you set the tone, attitude and spirit of this thread, grapesoda. and if there were a most racist persona contest here, you'd be in that race, not me. so let's not try and disguise your persona's tone and attitude towards the subject matter

and as per usual, i refer to others as others refer to me.

what you are mistaking for butthurt is simply my speaking to you in the manner you are to me.

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20524902)
heads-up, you set the tone, attitude and spirit of this thread, grapesoda. and if there were a most racist persona contest here, you'd be in that race, not me. so let's not try and disguise your persona's tone and attitude towards the subject matter

and as per usual, i refer to others as others refer to me.

what you are mistaking for butthurt is simply my speaking to you in the manner you are to me.

actually you were very civil with me in this thread... don't remember who you got 'tense' with.... here ....:thumbsup

https://atebyatescrapbooking.files.w...1/dscn0349.jpg

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20524894)
Oh you wanna go personal now?

So I am sure you would not mind discussing your time immediately following Sister Sister and your past interviews now would you?

okay this is just scifi... you're offended because I remembered you posted images of bicycles you were building... :helpme

small bit of advice.... in the future be best not to post things that you get offended about I guess... :winkwink:

the actors and crew on sister/sister were possibly the nicest people I ever worked with, I did get injured on set and I was on disability for 2 years until I was declared permanent and stationary (I think that's the term, don't really remember)

I did lose everything and I was about 6 months away from be vested in the union, so no benefits there... a very stressful time for me no doubt... :2 cents:

I did turn down disability and food stamps and all that stuff and I did work 80+ hours a week teaching myself to shoot and edit stills and video for 10 years or more to get where I am....

in fact didn't even have a TV for 10 years and slept on the floor because 1 bedroom was my office and other bedroom was used for content production, in fact the entire apt was used for content production...

am I ashamed of that??? not really... am I suppose to be?

BTW I've never posted any interviews with myself on GFY although for some reason they pop up now and then by people trying to belittle me (like now apparently) not really sure why??????


and I do remember your photography.... you were shooting some blond girl if I remember correctly... I did make corrective comments about your composition if you're the guy I remember.... here have this... unwind a bit :thumbsup

https://atebyatescrapbooking.files.w...1/dscn0349.jpg

TCLGirls 07-15-2015 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524974)
okay this is just scifi... you're offended because I remembered you posted images of bicycles you were building... :helpme

small bit of advice.... in the future be best not to post things that you get offended about I guess... :winkwink:

the actors and crew on sister/sister were possibly the nicest people I ever worked with, I did get injured on set and I was on disability for 2 years until I was declared permanent and stationary (I think that's the term, don't really remember)

I did lose everything and I was about 6 months away from be vested in the union, so no benefits there... a very stressful time for me no doubt... :2 cents:

I did turn down disability and food stamps and all that stuff and I did work 80+ hours a week teaching myself to shoot and edit stills and video for 10 years or more to get where I am....

in fact didn't even have a TV for 10 years and slept on the floor because 1 bedroom was my office and other bedroom was used for content production, in fact the entire apt was used for content production...

am I ashamed of that??? not really... am I suppose to be?

BTW I've never posted any interviews with myself on GFY although for some reason they pop up now and then by people trying to belittle me (like now apparently) not really sure why??????


and I do remember your photography.... you were shooting some blond girl if I remember correctly... I did make corrective comments about your composition if you're the guy I remember.... here have this... unwind a bit :thumbsup


Who said I was offended? Just saying that you're the one who brought up irrelevant non-adult personal issues. If you really wanna go there, then surely you will not mind a discussion about what you do outside the adult industry right?

brentbacardi 07-15-2015 07:48 PM

Doesn't matter if its racist, not racist, awesome or dull. If you think it should be banned you are not for free speech as, free speech is an absolute. Maybe you are for "mostly free speech" but you certainly are not for free speech. If you aren't for free speech you are a fascist fuck head. Your good intentions are meaningless, you are still a fascist fuck head. :P

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20524977)

Who said I was offended? Just saying that you're the one who brought up irrelevant non-adult personal issues. If you really wanna go there, then surely you will not mind a discussion about what you do outside the adult industry right?

if I did anything... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh... I have no personal life really... working 80+ hours week gets you a career but little else.... usually I sleep for a few days when not working...

many people are jealous of my business however no one is willing to put in the effort I have ...and many seem to think I sit up here in the estate and fuck girls and party... not even true by any means...

best part of my day is hitting the Jacquie at 4:10 am for 30 min, drinking coffee and goofing around with my dog.... then I edit until about 8am, work out for a bit or take a walk with the dog.... get cleaned up and shoot... in the evenings I edit or watch TV with the dog... lately true crime... that's my life outside of adult...

I have tried to start a few other business, none have worked to this point... so I just keep trying, it's what I do... I persist :thumbsup

and you're one that posted the non adult related images ... I merely remembered :2 cents:

TCLGirls 07-15-2015 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524980)
if I did anything... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh... I have no personal life really... working 80+ hours week gets you a career but little else.... usually I sleep for a few days when not working...

many people are jealous of my business however no one is willing to put in the effort I have ...and many seem to think I sit up here in the estate and fuck girls and party... not even true by any means...

best part of my day is hitting the Jacquie at 4:10 am for 30 min, drinking coffee and goofing around with my dog.... then I edit until about 8am, work out for a bit or take a walk with the dog.... get cleaned up and shoot... in the evenings I edit or watch TV with the dog... lately true crime... that's my life outside of adult...

I have tried to start a few other business, none have worked to this point... so I just keep trying, it's what I do... I persist :thumbsup

and you're one that posted the non adult related images ... I merely remembered :2 cents:


Oh so I guees you don't mind anyone posting your name and line of non-adult work here right?

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by brentbacardi (Post 20524979)
Doesn't matter if its racist, not racist, awesome or dull. If you think it should be banned you are not for free speech as, free speech is an absolute. Maybe you are for "mostly free speech" but you certainly are not for free speech. If you aren't for free speech you are a fascist fuck head. Your good intentions are meaningless, you are still a fascist fuck head. :P

this is also my opinion about the issue of the flag...

personally I don't think a flag of honor ever belongs anywhere near a politician... and that's what St Andrews cross is.. a battle flag... a lot of honorable men died with that flag, defending their homes and families and they deserve the respect due to them.

just like the marine corp flag and that doesn't belong on a government building either...

I think the battle flag should have been pulled down with honor and respect, not in front of a jeering crowd ... reminded me of the Arabs all laughing about 911.... definite low quality peeps for sure.. :2 cents:

dyna mo 07-15-2015 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524967)
actually you were very civil with me in this thread... don't remember who you got 'tense' with.... here ....:thumbsup

https://atebyatescrapbooking.files.w...1/dscn0349.jpg

that time in history is one of my favorite subjects. not claiming i'm an expert, but certainly far from tense about the subject matter. you mentioned in your post that i was butthurt, i'm not.

but going by your op, the myth/myth busted sound bites of history to claim that the confederate flag is universally fine and dandy and if you think otherwise, you're a loudmouth stupid sheeple, shows you weren't really interested in conversing with like-minded others re: a topic we're all fascinated by, you have something to prove here about the flag.

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20524984)

Oh so I guees you don't mind anyone posting your name and line of non-adult work here right?

didn't I say once before I don't want my name posted...??? so it would be you and Donny and jimthecunt or whatever his name is, you'll be in stellar company that's for sure... and the line of non adult work???

I'll remind you once again, YOU posted the bike images... if you don't want people to know you build bikes do NOT post pics telling people you build bikes... seems pretty simple to me :helpme

if I start a non adult biz and feel the need to post it at GFY I will do so, thanks

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20524988)
that time in history is one of my favorite subjects. not claiming i'm an expert, but certainly far from tense about the subject matter. you mentioned in your post that i was butthurt, i'm not.

but going by your op, the myth/myth busted sound bites of history to claim that the confederate flag is universally fine and dandy and if you think otherwise, you're a loudmouth stupid sheeple, shows you weren't really interested in conversing with like-minded others re: a topic we're all fascinated by, you have something to prove here about the flag.

so.... you're not butt hurt then???? you didn't drink the hot milk did you??? :(

TCLGirls 07-15-2015 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524989)
didn't I say once before I don't want my name posted...??? so it would be you and Donny and jimthecunt or whatever his name is, you'll be in stellar company that's for sure... and the line of non adult work???

I'll remind you once again, YOU posted the bike images... if you don't want people to know you build bikes do NOT post pics telling people you build bikes... seems pretty simple to me :helpme

if I start a non adult biz and feel the need to post it at GFY I will do so, thanks


I never said I do not want people to know I build bikes.

HELLO EVERYONE, yes I build bikes.

What you can't seem to understand is the fact that I build bikes is absolutely irrelevant to the topic of this thread. And since you think its fine and dandy to introduce irrelvant topics here, then you should have no problem with an irrelevant discussion regarding your line of work outside the adult industry...and would not fear being "outed" in the community...right?

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20524993)
I never said I do not want people to know I build bikes.

HELLO EVERYONE, yes I build bikes.

What you can't seem to understand is the fact that I build bikes is absolutely irrelevant to the topic of this thread. And since you think its fine and dandy to introduce irrelvant topics here, then you should have no problem with an irrelevant discussion regarding your line of work outside the adult industry...and would not fear being "outed" in the community...right?

ousted in the community??? like Donny long did to ama joe???? you're losing me.... I ask if you're the guy that builds bikes for a frame of reference for who you are, then from that I remember that you were the guy shooting a blond girl and you start acting like some kind of a fucking nut-job... confronting me on my life outside of adult.. .. straight up bizarre

dyna mo 07-15-2015 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524991)
so.... you're not butt hurt then???? you didn't drink the hot milk did you??? :(

i easily shift gears among the threads i post in. currently lolling it up in the dyna president thread. i go with the tone and flow of the thread and how those in it treat me.

Grapesoda 07-15-2015 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20524998)
i easily shift gears among the threads i post in. currently lolling it up in the dyna president thread. i go with the tone and flow of the thread and how those in it treat me.

well gee whiz I'll never post that you're butt hurt again :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

JFK 07-15-2015 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20524547)
crockett you're getting the verbiage a little confusing.

It's not succeeded or sucession.

It's secede and secession :) Just a quick grammar police moment.

:thumbsup:thumbsup

brentbacardi 07-15-2015 08:16 PM

Does the confederate flag mean yay slavery? Did Abraham Lincoln give a shit about slaves? Well you can argue about the gray area all you want. If you think people today waving the confederate flag are for slavery you are a moron. They absolutely are not. Have you ever talked to any of them about why they wave it? I am a northerner who has moved south and used to think they were racist but don't now that I have met many flag wavers.

For the fourth of july they had like 50 confederate flags up and people yelling fuck the federal government, they can't tell us what to do. Nobody mentioned slavery at all. People were saying things like "How dare they not allow us to legalize pot" and "Fuck federal taxes" ... has nothing to do with slaves as far as I can tell... and Abraham Lincoln was not some slave freedom fighter, read his quotes, it was absolutely last on his list of things to do.

Just Alex 07-15-2015 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20524832)
yes we most certainly did attend different learning institutions.

here, i will explain to you what you are not grasping-

a cotton gin does not pick cotton. it separates cotton.

cotton picking was manual labor until the 1940s. to keep up with the speed of the cotton ginS, more slaves were needed to pick cotton.

Must have different majors too. I was Computer Science. What part of Liberal Arts program did you do?
So what happened after slavery? Who picked the cotton up until 1940's? The Chinese? Same people who built railroads and coal mines?

dyna mo 07-15-2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 20525026)
Must have different majors too. I was Computer Science. What part of Liberal Arts program did you do?
So what happened after slavery? Who picked the cotton up until 1940's? The Chinese? Same people who built railroads and coal mines?

gofuckyourself.

TCLGirls 07-15-2015 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524997)
ousted in the community??? like Donny long did to ama joe???? you're losing me.... I ask if you're the guy that builds bikes for a frame of reference for who you are, then from that I remember that you were the guy shooting a blond girl and you start acting like some kind of a fucking nut-job... confronting me on my life outside of adult.. .. straight up bizarre

Now you are just being intellectually dishonest. First of all, my building bikes has nothing to do with any of my original responses to you in this thread, so there's no reason to be seeking a "frame of reference". Secondly, if you were merely curious about my hobby outside the adult industry, you could have simply PM'ed me. But no, you decided it was appropriate to make an irrelevant post about me and my hobby. Yet you yourself get your panties in a bunch when people reference irrelevant subjects like your real name claiming that doing so threatens your family. Pure hypocrisy. (No I won't publicly mention your real name or what you do, not because I have any respect for you, but because I won't stoop to that level of discourse.)

dyna mo 07-15-2015 09:16 PM

i've got a minor in CS along with my major- classic military history from UC Berkeley.

graduated 96.

i started off there studying CS, but realized i didn't go to college to get specific tech education, i went to college to learn how to learn. i don't recollect specifically, but i was prolly 8-10 courses away from getting the CS degree as well. CAL was tough though. rigorous.

gofuckyourself.

dyna mo 07-15-2015 09:25 PM

you've got me nostalgic for my college days, just alex.

i remember this CS course was insane and my introduction to how hard college was going to be.

any CS nerds here that studied it in the 90s should know this textbook, the fantastic "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming" by Abelman and Sussman


http://i.imgur.com/jexCMLJ.jpg

Quote:

Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs (SICP) is a textbook aiming to teach the principles of computer programming, such as abstraction in programming, metalinguistic abstraction, recursion, interpreters, and modular programming.

It is widely considered a classic text in computer science, and is colloquially known as the wizard book, due to the wizard on the jacket.

It was first published in 1985 by MIT Press and written by Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) professors Harold Abelson and Gerald Jay Sussman, with Julie Sussman. It was formerly used as the textbook of MIT introductory programming class and at other schools.

Before SICP, the introductory courses were almost always filled with learning the details of some programming language, while SICP focuses on finding general patterns from specific problems and building software tools that embody each pattern.
i was fortunate enough to be enrolled in this year long course when Julie Sussman, one of the authors was a visiting professor and taught it! nice right? :thumbsup

oh, and they taught it in 1 semester at MIT though, not 2 like at CAL!! but those guys well, MIT guys, you know.

Just Alex 07-15-2015 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20525033)
gofuckyourself.

You welcome

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/2...14299679d1.jpg

PAR 07-15-2015 10:13 PM

You lost me at : MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

When each state left the union they wrote a deceleration of why they were doing so.
Each state putting ink to paper outlining their reasons. In all these declarations you can easily read slavery as a key point. You do not need to follow the history books or propaganda. You can simply follow each stats own written words.

guden 07-15-2015 11:42 PM

just saw "stupidity of the sheepeople" in the subject and clicked cause i thought i was about to enjoy a round of Apple fanboy bashing ...what a letdown :disgust

Paul Markham 07-16-2015 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20524061)
History books, the media, the school systems, etc abound in falsehoods and inaccuracies of Confederate and Southern history. This fact sheet will help to clarify and dispell some of these rampant inaccuracies.

MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

FACT - Terribly untrue. The North fought the war over money.

Why did the South want to keep slavery?

Why after they were beaten did they impose a financial slavery?

dyna mo 07-16-2015 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 20525051)

You mean you're welcome. You welcome sounds ghetto.

But i know what you really meant was to thank me for the history lesson I provided you after you revealed your lack of understanding mechanization's impact on slavery.

You're welcome.

Grapesoda 07-16-2015 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20525037)
Now you are just being intellectually dishonest. First of all, my building bikes has nothing to do with any of my original responses to you in this thread, so there's no reason to be seeking a "frame of reference". Secondly, if you were merely curious about my hobby outside the adult industry, you could have simply PM'ed me. But no, you decided it was appropriate to make an irrelevant post about me and my hobby. Yet you yourself get your panties in a bunch when people reference irrelevant subjects like your real name claiming that doing so threatens your family. Pure hypocrisy. (No I won't publicly mention your real name or what you do, not because I have any respect for you, but because I won't stoop to that level of discourse.)

I've really tried to be diplomatic with you.... I like to know who I'm chatting with, their history.... I did not want to search all your threads to see if you're the bike builder, so I just did the simple thing: I asked.

if you view me asking a question as 'intellectually dishonest' you have weirder issues than I has suspected and yes ousting me in the community where I live would certainly harm my family.

if you don't understand why you really have no understanding of content production and the implications in the community.... and for some reason you think this is hypocrisy... ?????? it probably is.... the community for the most part uses my product yet will osteorize me for creating it....

seriously, are you stupid? I'm beginning to wonder.... and just so you know, I do realize that being OCD about grammar is not a sign of intelligence.. I figure you're just a creepy troll if nothing else.... well mission accomplished you have made the ignor list :thumbsup

Just Alex 07-16-2015 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20525208)
You welcome sounds ghetto.

Vs "youdisgofuckyoself" ? Thanks chimp, my student adviser forgot to pencil down Zoo History 101 for my graduation. Which community college did you fail?
At this posting rate you must be on par with "franchise" posters like BM you must be making at least $2.35 per pay period. Remind me what else you do in adult biz, baller?

pornguy 07-16-2015 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20524473)
The civil war was about slavery.

Heheh. no it was not. Get out some books and start reading again.

dyna mo 07-16-2015 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 20525244)
Vs "youdisgofuckyoself" ? Thanks chimp, my student adviser forgot to pencil down Zoo History 101 for my graduation. Which community college did you fail?
At this posting rate you must be on par with "franchise" posters like BM you must be making at least $2.35 per pay period. Remind me what else you do in adult biz, baller?

hey racist dimwit, you're the one who couldn't figure out mechanization and slavery so you tried to insult me about your big CS degree from some online bullshit school while i attended an accredited university and learned computer science from some of the top computer scientists on the planet.

no wonder you're a racist, it's based on ignorance.

dyna mo 07-16-2015 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 20525264)
Heheh. no it was not. Get out some books and start reading again.

heads-up, nothing's changed about the civil war since the last book on it i've read.


and i would bet a hundred fucking dollars to a doughnut you've not even turned a fucking page in a Civil War book, you revealed that with your comment.

dyna mo 07-16-2015 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Alex (Post 20525244)
Vs "youdisgofuckyoself" ? Thanks chimp, my student adviser forgot to pencil down Zoo History 101 for my graduation. Which community college did you fail?
At this posting rate you must be on par with "franchise" posters like BM you must be making at least $2.35 per pay period. Remind me what else you do in adult biz, baller?

you know a gfy dimwit is in over his head when he needs to change the topic to what do you do in this biz baller, when trying to gotcha someone on the Civil War.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


that's what dimwitted racists do.

jimmycooper 07-16-2015 07:59 AM

dyna mo for president!

dyna mo 07-16-2015 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jimmycooper (Post 20525364)
dyna mo for president!

:thumbsup

let's make America even fucking greater again!

crockett 07-16-2015 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by PAR (Post 20525058)
You lost me at : MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

When each state left the union they wrote a deceleration of why they were doing so.
Each state putting ink to paper outlining their reasons. In all these declarations you can easily read slavery as a key point. You do not need to follow the history books or propaganda. You can simply follow each stats own written words.

You are confusing the secession and the war. Yes the confederate states withdrew from the Union, because their economies were at stake over slavery. However the North did not go to battle with the south over slavery.

The north fought the south in order to force the south back into the union and to control them. union troops would not of marched on the slave holding states over slavery had they not left the union. Slavery, would have continued on for a very long time if there was no break in the union at that time.

SuckOnThis 07-16-2015 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy (Post 20525264)
Heheh. no it was not. Get out some books and start reading again.

Go read The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States. It states in black and white why secession took place and it wasn't for their right to keep eating grits.

SuckOnThis 07-16-2015 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20525369)
You are confusing the secession and the war. Yes the confederate states withdrew from the Union, because their economies were at stake over slavery. However the North did not go to battle with the south over slavery.

The north fought the south in order to force the south back into the union and to control them. union troops would not of marched on the slave holding states over slavery had they not left the union. Slavery, would have continued on for a very long time if there was no break in the union at that time.


Lincoln should have just let them secede. They would be a 3rd world country and the rest of the US would be that much better off.

dyna mo 07-16-2015 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20525369)
You are confusing the secession and the war. Yes the confederate states withdrew from the Union, because their economies were at stake over slavery. However the North did not go to battle with the south over slavery.

The north fought the south in order to force the south back into the union and to control them. union troops would not of marched on the slave holding states over slavery had they not left the union. Slavery, would have continued on for a very long time if there was no break in the union at that time.

this is a subtle point. the op myth claims the war was not fought over slavery because the North was fighting to keep the Union intact. that's misleading. a war is fought by 2 sides. it is most certainly true that's why the North DEFENDED the union against the OFFENSIVE attack by the South. the South, by their own accounts, words, deeds and documents, were fighting to protect their economic system of slavery.

Grapesoda 07-16-2015 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PAR (Post 20525058)
You lost me at : MYTH - The War of 1861 - 1865 was fought over slavery.

When each state left the union they wrote a deceleration of why they were doing so.
Each state putting ink to paper outlining their reasons. In all these declarations you can easily read slavery as a key point. You do not need to follow the history books or propaganda. You can simply follow each stats own written words.

did you think the states would write we quit because the northern industrialist are taking our money with the help of corrupt politicians? why did we not go to Iraq with the statement: big business wants the oil?

Grapesoda 07-16-2015 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20525369)
You are confusing the secession and the war. Yes the confederate states withdrew from the Union, because their economies were at stake over slavery. However the North did not go to battle with the south over slavery.

The north fought the south in order to force the south back into the union and to control them. union troops would not of marched on the slave holding states over slavery had they not left the union. Slavery, would have continued on for a very long time if there was no break in the union at that time.

and the emancipation proclamation only outlawed slavery in the south, not the north. it's nice an informed exchange with you... a great thread for sure.... :thumbsup

Just Alex 07-16-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20525332)
hey racist dimwit, you're the one who couldn't figure out mechanization and slavery so you tried to insult me about your big CS degree from some online bullshit school while i attended an accredited university and learned computer science from some of the top computer scientists on the planet.

no wonder you're a racist, it's based on ignorance.

I had no idea Virginia Tech was online university. Mind naming that "top computer scientists on the planet" Mr. Parkinson :1orglaugh

"mechanization and manual labor" - google dumb fuck. :1orglaugh


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