We get it, Robbie, you want Donald Trump to be your president. Ok.


Hillary will win.

The problem is that it isn't as simple as "one can vote, the other can not." The last two presidential elections the republicans have failed to engage Latino voters and they have lost them both. Why they lost is more complex than just not winning the Latino vote, but that is a big part of it. Latinos make up the fastest growing segment of the voters in this country. If you can convince them to vote for you will have a hard time winning.

What we know is that Trump is winning the polls of registered republicans likely to vote in the republican primaries. There are likely some Latino voters in that block, but there is no real way of knowing how much damage he has done to himself with other Latino voters until we get a general poll of all likely voters or until he wins the nomination.

You asked a complex question and want a simple answer that is simply not, with the information we have right now, possible to give.

I agree that McCain doesn't have that much clout these days, however, with conservatives it seems like if you even look sideways at a veteran they shit their pants much less suggest one that they have put on a pedestal is not a hero.

That is why I think it will be interesting to see what happens in the next few days when the polls come out that were taken after his comments about McCain.

And there's the ********** we all know! The troll! That's cool!

But maybe I should have started a thread entitled: "What Mark Prince thinks my Presidential pick is" instead of this one. :1orglaugh

By the way **********...you are just YOU. Not "We". :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Donald Trump has a spotless record.
Donald Trump an outstanding man of integrity.
The squirrel that lives on his head told me that ...

What a waste of energy.

Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders are the trolls of their respective parties and may influence their respective party's platforms and little else -- they are both unelectable IMHO. But the German people elected Hitler and the Russian proletariat followed Lenin into the Bolshevik Revolution so you can't always bet on sanity to prevail.

Actually consertives are some of the most judgmental people there are, right up until the point it's their guy.

So if they choose Trump to be their guy, they will pretty much ignore all the bad he does and pretend everyone is fake outraged or "against them". ( they love to pretend to be the underdog, little guy vs big bad govt, ect..ect.)

Added to this McCain is not radical enough for the New Republucans (aka Tea Party). Other Republicans in his own state which is a hot bed of Tea Party support have voted in the past the censure him calling him too liberal".

Meaning Trump calling him a fake Hero or what ever it was will just gain cheers and bigger following from the extreme right. It will mostly be the older breed of Republicans whom will not like what Trump has said and they are quickly being out numbered by the radical right. (Ie the former neo cons and religious right)

Meanwhile if someone from the left had said the same thing, all Republicans would be enraged , ranting and raving, ect.. ect.. They are a very hypocritical group..


As for Trump.. These polls are like asking children if they like candy.. The polls are from registered Republican voters, not the country as a whole. The far right lives in a bubble, and will support their guy, but they alienate themselfs from the rest of the country and don't have the numbers to win a national election..

Population wise this country is very liberal. The only reason consertives still have a chance, is because of all the gerrymandering and even still it only really helps for congressional elections not presidential.

Edit..

Also, I travel here in the states a lot. What I see is unusually small town America is very consertive because they really have no other experance. You drive across A lot of these Westren states and you don't get any normal radio stations but there is always a right wing station talking about how bad Obama is. It never fails..

These people live in a bubble with very little outside influence. You also see a lot of white people having nicer houses because they have the better jobs, then you see the Hispanics and in some places Indians whom are very poor.

These consertives from the west just assume that all minorities are like this everywhere else as that's the only thing they know.

Crockett's viewpoint is that all across America people in small towns are ignorant because they have conservative talk radio and don't know any better.

I live in Las Vegas. Over 2 million people. Sin City.
And the biggest stations are: conservative talk radio, Limbaugh & Hannity are just better entertainers than anyone else on radio and get the big ratings nationwide. Not just in small towns.

And before I moved here, I lived in a very small town in South Carolina.
The kind of place that crockett explains is basically cut off from the rest of the world and just doesn't know any better.

Weird thing is...EVERYBODY there had the internet and cable and satellite t.v.

Jesus crockett...you're describing the country like it's still the 1800's and people are isolated from one another and unaware of anything outside their little towns.

That's a very old fashioned stereotypical view of the country.
And you yourself prove it to be wrong.

There you are traveling to all these places and yet you have access to all the information you could ever want at your fingertips. :)

Robbie's view point, is anything that has to do with liberal or the left = bad.. Anything to do with the right = good..

Wall of text goes here to rationalize my view point.

Got the Youtube or CNN video? :winkwink:

Having grown up in rural areas, and still residing in a rural area, the main reason that people from small towns are conservative is that they grow up relying less on the government. So they see any left wing government with their hand out as a cash grab to subsidize urban population. There's less need for federal social programs, because things are done more at a local level. It has nothing to do with access to media. (yes I live in Canada, but it's an issue that transcends borders.)

Yes, but what is the most ironic about this, is many of these rural states with loads of consertives, can't keep their states afloat with out hand outs from the federal govt. those hand outs come from states which are most often blue and very liberal.

Now to get back to my point, in big cities the population is usually very diverse. This means people have to be more willing to be open minded and accepting of other races and cultures. This is why most large cites are liberal ordinated.

Meanwhile people in rural areas don't usually deal with people of other races like you would in a large city. There is usually more separation between groups in a rural setting.

if it were only so simple, crockett. according to you, the problem with America is small town America. you know, on account of conservative radio.




p.s. according to statistics (reality) America is NOT mostly liberal. America is mostly conservative.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gal...0bmq4g9tqa.png

Yea this explains why Bush lost the popular vote... And McCain, Romeny were not even close to either of Obama's elections on popular vote.

I let you in on a secrect.. Most people on the left consider them selves moderate.. Why? Because there hasn't been any "real" liberal candidates in a presidential race for a very long time. There wasn't a "liberal" party as the Democratic Party is pretty much the Republican Party of Regans era..

I used the term "liberal" in my post because it's what the right weenies throw around all the time. I should of said more "left" orientated.

If you notice in your graph there is an up tick the last years.. That's because Sanders and Waren have been very vocal and are very liberal. They are gaining notice from Democrats which see them as what liberals should be doing. More people on the left are now seeing themselves as liberals and not moderates due to the Sanders/Warren effect and how far to the right the republicans have drifted.

I will bet you there will be a very big increase in recent/future years of the same polling.

Fail ...

You brought them first ...

nevertheless, America is vastly more conservative than liberal.

why not take a break from your drive-by bullshit? or just not be a dick for once? or simply just post your view on the topic? or just not post if this is all you can shit?

or just gofuckyourself.

crockett got the fun in it, you're too miserable to be able to do that.

From 2000 through 2006, Democrats were much more likely to describe their ideology as moderate than as liberal. In 2007, the year the Democratic Party regained control of both houses of Congress for the first time since 1994, the two lines converged, with Democrats equally likely to call themselves moderates or liberals. Now, in each of the last two years, Democrats have been more likely to describe their views as liberal than as moderate.

Liberal Self-Identification Edges Up to New High in 2013

well your humble opinion is as flawed as your grasp of history cause hitler was appointed to chancellor by the guy who beat him in the election.

mark i do like you but hillary is a joke & she better be praying bush wins the nom cause if trump gets it he's gonna clean her clock. She is feckless woman who was the most vociferous democrat to vote for Iraq. she couldnt beat a plebe senator from chicago she definitely aint beating a billionaire from new york. Trump will win her state of new york hands down. not enough libbies in the upper west side to get it for her.

:)

LOL. So me saying that people all over the United States all have access to cable t.v. and the internet is somehow an attack against your fake "liberalism"?

Dude...you are so bad at trolling.

Last time I was in NYC was in the winter of 2011.

And yep...it's still the same way there. As a white guy there are literally thousands of areas you can not go to. Not talking about in Manhattan. I'm talking about neighborhoods.

Meanwhile...when I lived in Greer S.C., the neighbor on one side of me was black. Two houses down was a young Mexican family.

You are trying to stereotype people.

Now, if you are out of the South that may be true. People living in Montana or some sparsely populated area.
But that's the exception, not the rule.

(I suppose now you will tell me again that this has to do with "Liberals vs Conservatives" or whatever you imagine in your head)

You can see the trend in your own graph.. The rise of people whom self relate as "liberal" directly corelates with the decline of those whom call themselves moderate. It wasn't people whom called themselves conservatives suddenly calling themselves liberal, it was moderate suddenly seeing themselves as liberal.

The point of your link has nothing to do with what I'm saying.. Previously most democrats viewed themselves as moderates. There wasn't any real liberal candidates to look toward..

Warren and Sanders both started rocking the ship in the Democratic port around the same time and speaking out against the status que of the Democratic Party. They started getting noticed and suddenly people started agreeing with them. When this happened democrats whom often considered themselves moderates started to view themselves as liberal.

The Republican Party also has its share of blame for the rise of liberals. Republicans have been throwing around the liberal term as an insult for quite some time now. I mean fuck they have called McCain too liberal for god's sake.. With the right going further and further to the right many on the left push back and go further to the left.

It's kinda like The right coined the name Obamacare as an insult of ACA. Obama did the smart thing took the name and ran with it. Now you rarely hear right wing polititions revering to it as Obamacare but rather ACA..

People on the left are doing the same.. The right uses the term liberal as an insult, now people on the left are taking the name and owning it. Your same poll in 2015 will show a dramatic rise of people identifying as liberal.

Sanders whom identify a as liberal, is drawing the largest crowds of any candidate running including Trump and Hillary.

Actually.. What I'm saying has already been proven.. In Gallups latest polls..

U.S. Liberals at Record 24%, but Still Trail Conservatives

The number will keep on rising..as I said those whom consider themselves moderates is declining and liberal is increasing while consertive stays roughly the same..

It also further goes on to show that, those whom consider them selves Democrats and Liberal is rising dramatically. Matching exactly what I said..

I agree. Sanders speaks his mind and doesn't care what the DNC thinks.

That is what people want...someone that says what he means.

It's the one thing that Trump and Sanders have in common. They make the other candidates all look like what they are: Lying politicians who will say anything to get power.

Sanders may be the guy to persuade me to vote Democrat instead of Libertarian IF he can win the Dem nomination.

what neighborhoods are you talking about? i've walked a number of shitty places in brooklyn many times, & white people walk in those places. very few white people actually do it.

its a myth. :)

I used to live in Brooklyn - Bay Ridge.

This is gonna be fun.

https://i.imgflip.com/n5uc8.jpg

crockett, you claimed most Americans identify as liberal and that's simple not at all true.

it doesn't matter about bernie sanders, 2011, trending, etc, most all Americans identify as conservative.

you were trying to claim that the problem with America is small town conservatives listening to conservative radio while in big cities and overall, USA is liberal, again, not at all right.

I also corrected myself and said identify as "to the left" and I explained why I used the term liberal in that post.

Also I never said the problem with America is small town USA. I said consertives from rural America tend to live in a bubble.

I'll let YOu in on a little secret, you come across like you believe every problem with this country can be attributed to conservative politics and ideology. So it's not out of line to conclude what I did about your comments on rural America.

I'll let you in on another secrect.. I'm not a very political person. Yes I have my opinions on things and sometimes state them, but it's extremely rare for me to talk politics in real life..

However here on GFY there are many consertives whom just run amok so I like to troll them.. It's extremely easy to troll loud mouth consertives, because more often than not, they are factually wrong.

This is one of the core problems with the consertive ideology. They say things which they think sounds correct, but is more often than not wrong. As bush used to say "he shoots from the gut"...

Look above to the commit by RebelR about how he thinks consertives in rural America think "their taxes" are being used to subsidize liberals in big cities. Meanwhile it's the exact opposite as its big cities and the state's which they are in whom pay the most taxes and subsidize the rural states..

This wasn't a myth. And I don't know the name of the neighborhood. We were actually shooting a scene and wanted to do the set up to the scene (non-nude, just storyline) at a local park.

So we went out of the area with all the skyscrapers and just went into an area that had neighborhoods with small houses, convenience stores, etc.
Looked like it could have been any town in the U.S.

And the guy who was taking us around told us we couldn't shoot a couple of blocks over because of that kind of racism on the part of the black people there.

I'm sure that folks who live in NYC could comment on that better than I can. It was kind of shocking to me at the time because I'm from the South originally. And having lived in Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina...I had never run into that kind of thing before even though the Southern States are thought of as the most racist.

Hell, when I lived in Atlanta...I was the minority. :)

Who are the "many conservatives" who "run amok" on GFY that you so bravely put in their place with your insight?

I am pro-choice, anti drug-war, anti-war. Yet you've told me that I am a "Republican" over and over.

Apparently the word "conservative" must have a different meaning to you.

I'm gonna hazard a guess from your posts and say that anybody who doesn't 100% agree with whatever the Democrat Party or any members of it in office are doing...then becomes the target of your admitted trolling.

Ok. *I* am sure, that you, *Robbie*, will vote for Donald Trump. I hope you change your mind, but ok, whatever.

To Crockett:
But Robbie, you ARE a republican. You may be anti drug-war, anti-war, but you are still republican. From every discussion I've ever had with you, you seem to be 100% pure GOP Bush-lovin' republican.

I'm sorry if I've got this wrong and I'm not trying to pick on you I promise. But to me and from my point of view, you have Ronald Reagan photoshopped onto Mount Rushmore in front of a nuclear bomb spewing red white and blue mushroom clouds as your desktop background. Which is ok. I mean sure, why not? Anyway would you mind clarifying your political leanings to a dumb-ass Canadian like myself so I understand where you are coming from?

Peace? :)

Lol. ********** you just did exactly what crockett does. If anyone has a open mind and does not agree 100% with Democrats or heaven forbid agree with a Republican on any issue then they are automatically A Republican
Talk about "group think" You are a great example of it. :pimp

I'm still shaking my head at why ********** would post something so incredibly dumb.

Mark, you are saying to me: "Robbie you are FOR everything the Republican party is AGAINST...but since you have dared to speak against policies that Democrats have done...you are a Republican"

Fucking insane! lol

Let's see...using ********** theory of crockettscience....that means:
Donald Trump is a Democrat because he is bashing the policies of Republicans (and also has contributed more money to Democrats than Republicans)

Barry Sanders is also a Republican because he is bashing the policies of Democrats.

And anybody out there who dares to not agree with specific policies...you are all now Republican.

You post things that are just plain stupid Mark. I don't even know if you have any adult business left...but man, this kind of thing can't be helping you biz-wise when you make yourself appear ignorant all the time in political threads.

I don't mind you coming on here and acting like a jackass. That's kinda what this thread is for.
But again...nobody gives a damn what my political leanings are (for the record: I'm leaning to Sanders if he wins the Dem nomination...if not, then third party).
And nobody gives a damn about what you think my political leanings are.

It would be nice if you and crockett wouldn't mind having an intelligent discussion about the FACT that politics has always been nasty. And many times VERY nasty. And what Trump has done isn't that big a deal in comparison.

You don't agree with that? Cool! That's what discussions are about.
But that's not what you're doing. You are simply being a troll. Which makes you useless in this forum.

hah! you're not a very political person because you rarely discuss it irl! that's a good one.

Only on GFy... And only because you guys constantly post shit about how horrible the left is. In fact I only started arguing in these topics because of the daily Vendzilla and Co hates Obama topics.. I got tired of seeing you guys constantly complain about Obama, so I started trolling you guys..

If you right weenies stopped posting these topics, you wouldn't ever see a political post from me..

I didn't realize this thread has anything to do with Obama...

But apparently it does. So far MP and crockett have name checked Obama, Bush, and Reagan. lol

... which is why I'm asking you to better explain how and what you think, since I've got you wrong. Come on man, I'm trying to understand you.


Let's see. You insult me all the time, and I shrug it off. I ask you a question (colorfully, granted), and you cry like a little girl. Got it. Warning to everyone: Don't dare engage Robbie about politics and ask him to explain his position (while Admitting to being dumbfounded by it at the same time) or else risk being called "stupid".

So Trump's financials have been released and guess what....

He's not worth anything near the 10 billion dollar lie he told. How is a guy who files for bankruptcy four times going to worth 10 billion? But you know what? It doesn't matter anyway because he's a joke, and he's also the Republican party's foot that goes firmly into it's mouth. They deserve him and won't find a way to get that foot out of their mouth. But its not like they had a shot even without Trump. They can't help but sabotage their chances by just being straight up pricks on the wrong side of every issue.

Cricket is too ignorant to know that

You troll because you can't debate

Check your facts: Show me exactly where I mentioned President Obama in this thread. I didn't, but hey - don't let facts get in the way of your own thoughts there, Robbie. Otherwise "they" may cut off yer whatchamacallit Fox n Friends Tee-vee show, I tell ya whut!

Earlier in this thread you accused me of not reading your post, and now you are clearly making up "facts" to suit your own beliefs.

Anyway, please re-read my message. I told you I didn't understand your political leanings, and that to me you seem to be republican. If I'm wrong, ok I'm wrong, but can you please clarify for me, a dumb-ass liberal tree-hugging salad eating foreigner, who or which party you would vote for, and why? I promise you that I thought I knew, but I don't. Please educate me. Thanks in advance.

You really are acting foolish Mark. I wasn't speaking to you in that quote you gave. But don't let facts get in YOUR way (as if).

This quote from crockett was what I replied to:

Where did you read that? I'd like to see that too. :)
Last I saw reported was that he is worth over 10 billion according to the papers he filed. Has that been changed or something?

What the fuck? This not what I said at all. All I asked you to do was to clarify your thinking for me. Why are you getting so upset? Is this such a hard question for you to answer? If so I'm sorry I asked, and I won't ask you to answer it. Geeezuz!

No, not at all. I never said that or even thought it. This is like the 3rd or 4th time you have said I've said something which I haven't. All I have ever said is that Trump is an idiot and would make a terrible and dangerous president, regardless of which party he would run with.

Again with this stupid assumptions. Take a pill and relax already. I never said what you claim, so sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.

Robbie, these are just discussions, debates, exchanges of ideas and opinions. Just because you would refuse to do business with someone who disagrees with you on politics doesn't mean I would do the same. My brother is a red neck gun-loving wootin' tooting' republican and I love the guy. We talk about this stuff every day, and he never breaks a sweat. Why do you?

Nice.

BINGO!

I do! That's why I asked! Like I said, I clearly had you pegged wrong, so I asked you to clarify, and you went apeshit. Calm the hell down and answer the question please, or don't. Whatever, its up to you.


mkay.

This is different, and this is why Trump is in the news every second of every day. It's extremely nasty.

No dickhead, I was not trolling you. I was asking you to clarify your position for me, that's all.

Have a beer.

It's useless to debate guys like you, because your mind is made up and will never change.

Lo! Weak dodge, Robbie, weak dodge.