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dyna mo 07-26-2015 11:34 AM

of course not. but being the leader of the free world also makes the USA an easy target to point at.

i don't see any respect for france or Britain anywhere, the opposite.

baddog 07-26-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20534059)
Republicans are the extreme right, there are no moderates left. Hence the reason there are never any republican candidates anywhere close to the center, just ones whom try to be more extreme than the next..

I have to hand it to you; just when I think there is no way you can say something dumber than the last, you Trump it.

Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20534091)
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i don't see any respect for france or Britain anywhere, the opposite.

70% of the or more of the people that I communicate with one a 1 to 1 basis daily are not from the USA. Maybe, I just have a more global perspective of opinion. I ignore 90% of the nationalistic insults at GFY that's just a pissing contest to me. A lot of this is just "hey look at the monkey" bullshit. Read some of the foreign press and the global and US far right and leftist press -- 90% bullshit.

Trump Mens Donald Trump French Cuff Dress Shirt at Amazon Men's Clothing store: White Dress Shirt

Harry Truman may have been a haberdasher, small businessman and a US Senator -- but he didn't put his name to profit in trade at this low level.

Trump and Murdoch have a lot in common -- being nasty with a lot of money to throw around.

Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have much of a plan -- time for new blood, time for new ideas and ideals.

Barry-xlovecam 07-26-2015 12:04 PM

Mark Zuckerberg (#11), whose net worth grew $15 billion since last year; he is currently worth $34 billion

Zuckerberg could buy and sell Trump. Do you think that qualifies him to be President when he is over 35 :1orglaugh

Zuckerberg could fit Trump's IQ in his shoe:2 cents:

Rochard 07-26-2015 12:38 PM

Trump / Palin 2016

dyna mo 07-26-2015 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20534105)
70% of the or more of the people that I communicate with one a 1 to 1 basis daily are not from the USA. Maybe, I just have a more global perspective of opinion.

or maybe you don't. 70% of whomever you speak may talk that way, maybe you hear what you want or need to, but this is your opinion based on your chatting with some people.

while that's your view and i respect that, it's not fair to expand that to everyone else and claim you have a more global perspective of opinion because a % of people you talk to talk shit about the USA.

combined with it's currently trendy to talk shit about USA.

2MuchMark 07-26-2015 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533771)
It just shows what pansy-asses the other Republicans running for the nomination are.

Trump's appeal is to whom? Xenophobes and those looking for excuses for their failures. He's the candidate Hillary will have the easiest time to beat in the general election -- that is not a good thing but she is the only candidate for the Democrat nomination that can claim any real experience (with no real successes either) in active foreign affairs :Oh crap.

Trump would be a disaster dealing with other world governments -- aggressive, brash, short tempered -- the epitome of the face of "The Ugly American" to world opinion. His 28% assures a third party. The mainstream Republicans would massacre him at the nominating convention anyway.

Trump sounds like a modern day George Wallace with a lot of money -- an asshole to the core :2 cents:


Exactly, exactly, exactly right.



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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician
just my two cents

I agree with you. What are the requirements for running for president? You would think that you would have to have to work your way towards it by getting into politics early, becoming mayor, then governor, senator whatever. Being a rich asshole should not even get you on the same stage as politicians.


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Originally Posted by Dvae (Post 20533907)
The 'career politician model' has worked out so well!

You should take your 2cents and buy yourself a clue.

Well, wait a minute and let's think about that. Sure there are all kinds of problems, but there are also lots of great things too. Americans live freely. Lots of people have jobs. There's lots of welfare and programs for the needy, the air and water are fairly clean, and no one is dropping bombs on you yet. Of course there are problems, but to say that the career politician model is worse than an obnoxious rich dickhead with no experience whatsoever isn't fair or accurate.


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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533921)
THE SILENT MAJORITY HAS AWAKENED! @ donaldjtrump.com

Talk about a crock of shit ...

George Wallace Reloaded -- That put Richard Nixon in office in 1968 -- the rest is history ...

Scary stuff. I really, really hope that Trump doesn't become president.


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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533997)
I don't care if Trump could buy and sell everyone of us. I have disliked Donald Trump for 20 years ... He is a loud mouth clown and not suitable to be this nation's "fearless leader." That said, I am also, as usual, disgusted with the other options (candidates).

Same here.

crockett 07-26-2015 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20534064)
this is nonsense.

No, I'm sorry but it's not. The Republican Party of today would be considered radical and to the extreme right, by the Republican Party when Reagan was the president.

crockett 07-26-2015 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20534103)
I have to hand it to you; just when I think there is no way you can say something dumber than the last, you Trump it.

Just when I thought baddog had something useful to say.. He proves me wrong yet again..

dyna mo 07-26-2015 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20534199)
No, I'm sorry but it's not. The Republican Party of today would be considered radical and to the extreme right, by the Republican Party when Reagan was the president.

using this line of reasoning, Reagan was radical far right compared to Eisenhower, therefore, there was no moderate repubicans when REagan was Pres..

nico-t 07-26-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Milfer (Post 20533775)
A business man should never be a politician

just my two cents

true, businessmen don't have enough experience at being corrupt liars, any politician is better in that field

Joshua G 07-26-2015 04:30 PM

fucking trump he is jacking me up like cocaine, man! i cant believe that there is a republican candidate that is pro-trade war & is rich enough to not get bought off that position. this guy is fuckin reagan reincarnate.

But alas im a cynic. if he's on the edge of winning, he's gonna get shot. The clintons will not be denied again, ask vince foster.

:winkwink:

TCLGirls 07-26-2015 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20534155)
Scary stuff. I really, really hope that Trump doesn't become president.


It's going to be difficult. Because even if Trump wins the popular vote in any given State, he has to convince each of those states' electoral college voters to also vote for him. Those electoral college members are not bound to vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote. For example, California has 55 electoral college member slots. They are not bound to vote for Trump, even if he wins the popular vote in California.

And the electoral college is comprised of party members, who are appointed by their respective political parties. So if Trump wins a state as a GOP candidate, he also has to convince the GOP established party in those States he wins to also vote for him...the same party his is pissing off right now.

kane 07-26-2015 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20534316)
It's going to be difficult. Because even if Trump wins the popular vote in any given State, he has to convince each of those states' electoral college voters to also vote for him. Those electoral college members are not bound to vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote. For example, California has 55 electoral college member slots. They are not bound to vote for Trump, even if he wins the popular vote in California.

And the electoral college is comprised of party members, who are appointed by their respective political parties. So if Trump wins a state as a GOP candidate, he also has to convince the GOP established party in those States he wins to also vote for him...the same party his is pissing off right now.

This rarely ever happens. Trump has much bigger worries on his plate than to worry that the electoral college won't vote for him if he wins the popular vote.

Right now he is riding high and seems to be gaining momentum. But lets remember these polls only reflect registered republicans which only make up about 25% of the vote.

Like all candidates if Trump gets the nomination he now has to figure out how to get the moderate independents to vote for him.

As I have said many times the winner of the next election will be the candidate that can get the minorities and young people to vote for them. The odds of Trump winning the popular vote and the electoral college choosing to vote against him are microscopic.

dyna mo 07-26-2015 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20534316)
It's going to be difficult. Because even if Trump wins the popular vote in any given State, he has to convince each of those states' electoral college voters to also vote for him. Those electoral college members are not bound to vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote. For example, California has 55 electoral college member slots. They are not bound to vote for Trump, even if he wins the popular vote in California.

And the electoral college is comprised of party members, who are appointed by their respective political parties. So if Trump wins a state as a GOP candidate, he also has to convince the GOP established party in those States he wins to also vote for him...the same party his is pissing off right now.

The electoral college members are voted in after pledging their candidate, which is the guy representing their party running for president. If trump is the candidate then they are pledged to vote for him. Rare exceptions to that

Axeman 07-26-2015 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20534336)
This rarely ever happens. Trump has much bigger worries on his plate than to worry that the electoral college won't vote for him if he wins the popular vote.

Right now he is riding high and seems to be gaining momentum. But lets remember these polls only reflect registered republicans which only make up about 25% of the vote.

Like all candidates if Trump gets the nomination he now has to figure out how to get the moderate independents to vote for him.

As I have said many times the winner of the next election will be the candidate that can get the minorities and young people to vote for them. The odds of Trump winning the popular vote and the electoral college choosing to vote against him are microscopic.


The CNN poll today was republicans and also independents who lean republican. So its a bit closer to the picture. It is still very very early. But I am excited for the debates with Trump in the mix. Should be highly entertaining to see how the seasoned politicians handle his free range style.

kane 07-26-2015 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman (Post 20534356)
The CNN poll today was republicans and also independents who lean republican. So its a bit closer to the picture. It is still very very early. But I am excited for the debates with Trump in the mix. Should be highly entertaining to see how the seasoned politicians handle his free range style.

I agree. I think Trump is going to call them out and possibly slam them. If nothing else his free wheeling style is kind of refreshing in politics.

TCLGirls 07-26-2015 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kane (Post 20534336)
This rarely ever happens. Trump has much bigger worries on his plate than to worry that the electoral college won't vote for him if he wins the popular vote.

Right now he is riding high and seems to be gaining momentum. But lets remember these polls only reflect registered republicans which only make up about 25% of the vote.

Like all candidates if Trump gets the nomination he now has to figure out how to get the moderate independents to vote for him.

As I have said many times the winner of the next election will be the candidate that can get the minorities and young people to vote for them. The odds of Trump winning the popular vote and the electoral college choosing to vote against him are microscopic.


AFAIK, it has never happened in recent times. But then again I don't know if a presidential candidate has ever slammed his own party establishment as publicly as Trump. Political parties are able to appoint their own electoral college members. So if Trump runs as the GOP candidate, and wins enough states, but at the same time pisses off the GOP establishment far enough, who's to say that any one state GOP party won't appoint members on the condition that they do not vote for Trump?

That's also assuming he gets past the GOP convention and actually gets nominated. I am not an expert on the details of how the conventions work, but I think they are pretty well controlled by the party establishment.

Paul Markham 07-26-2015 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20533953)
how do you categorize his business resume as a history of business failures? he's been president of 100s and 100s and 100s of businesses and only 3-4 bankruptcies out of all of those, while at the same time increasing his personal net worth from $50 million to several billions$. wouldn't you consider yourself a successful business man with that sort of record?

Will he use his experience and skills to benefit you, or himself?

baddog 07-26-2015 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534412)
Will he use his experience and skills to benefit you, or himself?

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

You're old, what was the last US president, in your esteemed opinion, that used their experience to help the people more than themselves?

dyna mo 07-26-2015 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534412)
Will he use his experience and skills to benefit you, or himself?

I'm not advocating him for president. I was asking Barry if he would feel successful if he were president of several hundred businesses, of which 4 went bankrupt, and during which his personal wealth went from 50 million$ to many billion $.

GregE 07-26-2015 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20534086)
The USA has entered a post industrial era and many citizens have little current skills to offer. So guys like Trump and Sanders say we can get back what we lost -- that is useless -- it's gone. Neither has any real vision for the future -- just rhetoric that is 30 years old and updated to be relevant to the current drama.

They are just the trolls of election 2016. They may have something to shape their respective party's platforms but little more -- I am just dismissive of their stated goals and can see through their bullshit.

Thing is, none of the other candidates (Hillary included) are offering any convincing solutions. Instead, it's just the same tired old finger pointing and cliches we've been getting from both the Republicans and the Democrats seemingly forever.

The American public is sick of it. And they're even more sick of the so called new normal.

Hence, a large proportion of the electorate, Democrats and Republicans both, will eagerly welcome anyone - anyone - who can even half convincingly offer up a better solution.

That's why Trump (of all people) has caught fire and that's also why Sanders is steadily gaining on Hillary.

This is going to be an interesting election.

Paul Markham 07-27-2015 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20534037)
Why should a presidential candidate, much less a dozen of them waste time concentrating on a local crime? That's one thing Obama could not keep from doing and all he succeeded in doing is causing more of a rift in this country.

The cinema shooting, like similar murders, were caused by the lax gun laws, maintained by the gun industry. Which the President would like modified, and by all opinion polls the people would as well.

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20534086)
The West has entered a post industrial era and many citizens have little current skills to offer. So politicians say we can get back what we lost -- that is useless -- it's gone. Neither has any real vision for the future -- just rhetoric that is 30 years old and updated to be relevant to the current drama.

Edited to make it correct. Also the West is importing millions of cheap low skilled labourers.

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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20534240)
fucking trump he is jacking me up like cocaine, man! i cant believe that there is a republican candidate that is pro-trade war & is rich enough to not get bought off that position. this guy is fuckin reagan reincarnate.

Every rich man is buyable, until they get to the stage of people like Gates. Trump has enough money, its now about power.

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20534413)
You're old, what was the last US president, in your esteemed opinion, that used their experience to help the people more than themselves?

Clinton would be one. Kennedy might of, his brother could of, LBJ did a lot of good things. He was led by the nose of the hawks and arms industry to keep a pointless war spinning on.

The past is the past. You now have to look to the future, and the likely players are Clinton v Bush or Trump.

But how much power do they really hold? Obamacare, from the view of the rest of the West, was a total botch job it would have been far better to go 100% National Health Service, Gun Law is another thing the rest of the West realises favours one industry, and the Americans obsession to pay low tax, demand everything works and see debt spiral is going to lead us all into another crisis.

The Right keeps saying he's too rich to be bribed, as if money is his only motivation. On the other hand if he does approach the problem of the massive amount of consumers goods entering the US. Will Americans be happy to see these goods becomes scarcer or more expensive? That's a problem we all face.

Paul Markham 07-27-2015 03:52 AM

Huckabee: Obama marching Israel to 'door of the oven' - CNNPolitics.com

More far right rhetoric. Israel is well capable of looking after itself. And for Iran to attack Israel with a Nuclear strike, would be a suicide mission. The balance of weapons is so one sided. Why did Huckabee say this?

Other than the fear factor.

_Richard_ 07-27-2015 04:00 AM

i heard he did slip a little bit in the polls after the McCain thing?

Dvae 07-27-2015 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534443)
The cinema shooting, like similar murders, were caused by the lax gun laws, maintained by the gun industry. Which the President would like modified, and by all opinion polls the people would as well.



Edited to make it correct. Also the West is importing millions of cheap low skilled labourers.

Every rich man is buyable, until they get to the stage of people like Gates. Trump has enough money, its now about power.

Clinton would be one. Kennedy might of, his brother could of, LBJ did a lot of good things. He was led by the nose of the hawks and arms industry to keep a pointless war spinning on.

You are either insane or senile.
Clintons net worth $80 million. How does someone come from a state that is last in everything, education etc. one of the poorest states to a combined $100 net worth if you count Hillarys as well.
..and you think he's helping people more than himself.

JetBlack 07-27-2015 04:56 AM

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he's been president of 100s and 100s and 100s of businesses
I'm pretty sure if you asked him outright, he'd only be able to name 6. The rest of them are offshore shell companies formed by his accountant to avoid tax and give him the illusion of being richer than he really is.

Joshua G 07-27-2015 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534443)
Every rich man is buyable, until they get to the stage of people like Gates. Trump has enough money, its now about power.

LOL you just contradicted yourself. they stop being buyable when they have billions. but they are still buyable cause it about the power now. they are either buyable, or they are not.

we can speculate all day long on trumps true motivation. but it is worth noting he is the only candidate looking to start a trade war. that certainly is not in his 1% republican friends best interests. & dispels the idea that he is running just for more power. If you consider the billionaire lifestyle, being president is an awful, stressful, thankless job by comparison. he would have far less freedom & personal power as president vs being a billionaire.

PS - rich people LOVE illegal immigrants & their cheap labor. They LOVE outsourcing jobs to china for big stock earnings wins. So several of trumps positions directly contradict the interests of the top 1%.

:2 cents:

Paul Markham 07-27-2015 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20534539)
LOL you just contradicted yourself. they stop being buyable when they have billions. but they are still buyable cause it about the power now. they are either buyable, or they are not.

Just saying it's not only money that buys people.

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we can speculate all day long on trumps true motivation. but it is worth noting he is the only candidate looking to start a trade war. that certainly is not in his 1% republican friends best interests. & dispels the idea that he is running just for more power. If you consider the billionaire lifestyle, being president is an awful, stressful, thankless job by comparison. he would have far less freedom & personal power as president vs being a billionaire.
Balancing trade with Third world Nations has to be a number one policy for the First World.

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PS - rich people LOVE illegal immigrants & their cheap labor. They LOVE outsourcing jobs to china for big stock earnings wins. So several of trumps positions directly contradict the interests of the top 1%.
Flip side of the coin.

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Originally Posted by Dvae (Post 20534518)
You are either insane or senile.
Clintons net worth $80 million. How does someone come from a state that is last in everything, education etc. one of the poorest states to a combined $100 net worth if you count Hillarys as well.
..and you think he's helping people more than himself.

How was the country after he left office?

2MuchMark 07-27-2015 06:05 AM

Trump would get destroyed in a debate against Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Here's what I predict. The first question will be easy, and he will answer it in his usual brash style and get some cheers from his supporters. But the next question asked would be one only a thoughtful, level headed and politically experienced person could answer. Clinton or Sanders will provide a concise offer while Trump stumbles through it. He will do the same on the 3rd answer and lose the election right there.

Barry-xlovecam 07-27-2015 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534500)
Why did Huckabee say this?

Other than the fear factor.

He sees Donald Trump's success and is mimicking him with outrageous statements towards capturing some attention with the lowest common denominator voters.

The 2016 race to the bottom to become leader of the mindless silent majority :2 cents:

USA politics have become a trip to the zoo apparently and now we are fixating at the gorilla exhibit.

Magnetron 07-27-2015 10:59 AM

Trump's hair is definitely bullet proof.

dyna mo 07-27-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20534574)
Trump would get destroyed in a debate against Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Here's what I predict. The first question will be easy, and he will answer it in his usual brash style and get some cheers from his supporters. But the next question asked would be one only a thoughtful, level headed and politically experienced person could answer. Clinton or Sanders will provide a concise offer while Trump stumbles through it. He will do the same on the 3rd answer and lose the election right there.

HIllary Clinton is well-known across this country for her horrible debating skills.

and here's a question bernie sanders will stumble on- Mr. Sanders, why is it you are demanding minimum wage be legally forced to $15/hour while you only pay your own interns $12/hour?

Barry-xlovecam 07-27-2015 11:32 AM

oh the hypocrisy!
 
China-bashing Trump's clothing line made in China - Salon.com

I wonder what the wages are like in the China factory where Trump Collection Shirts are made? That was then and this is today:

Trump Men's Spread Collar Twill Solid Woven Shirt at Amazon Men's Clothing store: Button Down Shirts

Joshua G 07-27-2015 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20534873)
China-bashing Trump's clothing line made in China - Salon.com

I wonder what the wages are like in the China factory where Trump Collection Shirts are made? That was then and this is today:

Trump Men's Spread Collar Twill Solid Woven Shirt at Amazon Men's Clothing store: Button Down Shirts

too late. trumpmania is running wild. he will be... President of the United States of America.

:winkwink::thumbsup

Barry-xlovecam 07-27-2015 12:43 PM



In your own private Idaho maybe ...

They are aging better than that old Trump bag of wind ... Hair sure looks better LMAO

Joshua G 07-27-2015 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20534574)
Trump would get destroyed in a debate against Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Here's what I predict. The first question will be easy, and he will answer it in his usual brash style and get some cheers from his supporters. But the next question asked would be one only a thoughtful, level headed and politically experienced person could answer. Clinton or Sanders will provide a concise offer while Trump stumbles through it. He will do the same on the 3rd answer and lose the election right there.

your dreaming. i dream too. in my dreams, its hillary. she doesnt stumble, too experienced. but she will be evasive, provide answers with no relation to the question, & generally dip & dunk like tom brady does the short pass. Then trump comes on & says, bada-bing, we're gonna fuckin fix it & nobodys gonna bully the USA when im president.

& he will win.

:2 cents:

Joshua G 07-27-2015 01:12 PM

i think what leftward thinking people dont see is trumps appeal to nationalism. his positions are pro-usa, project strength, rebuild america, the same message of reagan 1980. this message sells. it has not been used since 1984, but it still sells. just like chevy trucks & apple pie. Trumps billionaire story gives him the gravitas to sell this. it will help his appeal to this idea as he flies around with his name on his jets.

hillary cannot outsell this vision, which will appeal to independents tired of both parties. Trump is not beholden to either party, frankly. perfect triangulation abilities. lefties are badly underestimating the Donald.

:)

baddog 07-27-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534443)
The cinema shooting, like similar murders, were caused by the lax gun laws, maintained by the gun industry. Which the President would like modified, and by all opinion polls the people would as well.

#1. What President wants to see laws modified?
#2. These laws are determined by each state, not the federal government.

nico-t 07-27-2015 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534443)
The cinema shooting, like similar murders, were caused by the lax gun laws, maintained by the gun industry. Which the President would like modified, and by all opinion polls the people would as well.

i'm pretty sure it was caused by a very disturbed person with years and years of mental health problems...


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