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noshit 07-27-2015 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20534443)
The cinema shooting, like similar murders, were caused by the lax gun laws, maintained by the gun industry. Which the President would like modified, and by all opinion polls the people would as well.

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In normalcy; useful knowledge is built, so I have no idea how you can be retired and still maintain, or even assert such lack-of-knowledge views?

As for your 'polls' ...Every Legitimate opinion poll I have seen shows the opposite.

The Sarah Brady types in America need to be be educated to understand that because we have an armed citizenry, a dictatorship has not happened here.
The Anti-Gun Fools we have in the USA are more Dangerous to Liberty than street criminals or foreign spies.

_Richard_ 07-28-2015 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE (Post 20534424)
Thing is, none of the other candidates (Hillary included) are offering any convincing solutions. Instead, it's just the same tired old finger pointing and cliches we've been getting from both the Republicans and the Democrats seemingly forever.

The American public is sick of it. And they're even more sick of the so called new normal.

Hence, a large proportion of the electorate, Democrats and Republicans both, will eagerly welcome anyone - anyone - who can even half convincingly offer up a better solution.

That's why Trump (of all people) has caught fire and that's also why Sanders is steadily gaining on Hillary.

This is going to be an interesting election.

seems almost circus-worth on purpose

wehateporn 07-28-2015 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by oppoten (Post 20533767)

If they can't get rid of him before that, it's either going to be a 'heart-attack' or this

elvergas 09-01-2015 08:56 AM

Im just here selling EMPANADAS, who want some?

:pimp

ilnjscb 09-01-2015 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TCLGirls (Post 20534316)
It's going to be difficult. Because even if Trump wins the popular vote in any given State, he has to convince each of those states' electoral college voters to also vote for him. Those electoral college members are not bound to vote for the candidate who wins the popular vote. For example, California has 55 electoral college member slots. They are not bound to vote for Trump, even if he wins the popular vote in California.

And the electoral college is comprised of party members, who are appointed by their respective political parties. So if Trump wins a state as a GOP candidate, he also has to convince the GOP established party in those States he wins to also vote for him...the same party his is pissing off right now.

Here's some actual data on that; they are called "Faithless Electors" (really) and it is extremely rare. It won't happen to Trump if he wins the nom fair and square, and in a number of states they have laws against it.

Faithless Electors

bronco67 09-01-2015 09:39 AM

Trump is appealing to the id of the Republican party that's been concealed in the last few years. We've all had our suspicions the party was full of xenophobic, racist mongrels, but now they've come out of the woodwork that Trump has brought their concerns into the open with his blunt style.

60% of Trump supporters believe Barack Obama is not American. Why is it they don't believe he's American?

One poll taken said more Trump supporters think Ted Cruz was born in America than Obama. It just shows that they're a misinformed, miserable group of pricks. They'll be of no consequence once the general election comes -- this is if Trump doesn't flame out before then.

Robbie 09-01-2015 09:50 AM

Lol. What a dumb analysis.

Just watched CNN and they showed Bush's new attack ad accusing Trump of being a Democrat by using Trump's own words in interviews.

Then they had commentary on CNN fron Van Jones, and he said Trump is no conservative...and that's why Bush's attack ad would NOT work. Jones said Trump's supporters are not conservative and are polling for him because they are disgusted with the way politicians have lied.

Bronco, you are so far offbase with your thinking on Trump. He doesn't draw the right wing at all. His positions are more Democrat than Republican. He represents an idea of getting rid of lying career politicians who are bought and sold every day.

You are thinking in terms of Trump being part of the political process you are used to, but he is a whole different animal.

Barry-xlovecam 09-01-2015 10:02 AM

It would not be too hard to hijack the Republican party. That is what I think is happening with the Republican party it may not be a bad thing :2 cents:

Conversely, Bernie Sunders is an elected Independent attempting to hijack the Democrat party.

"partyjackers" ? New buzz word?

officemike 09-01-2015 10:15 AM

Trump is a secret liberal, like Andy Kaufman style. He is getting the political right to feel comfortable about its ugliest positions, and it will cost them the election; no matter who gets the ticket, the white rabbit will be out of the hat.

I have to hand it to him, he is honest. We've needed that ever since political correctness gave racism and sexism a place to hide. Finally, a republican is being up front about the racist perspectives behind immigration. He's an unabashed misogynist, so when he talks women's issues, it makes sense. And people are loving it because they share those values. It's good for transparency, but it is very bad for the republican party.

Robbie 09-01-2015 10:21 AM

Maybe it's not so much a hijacking as it is just bringing back some sanity to politics.

People have gotten so used to the political bullshit that they have seen their whole lives that they have started to think it's "normal".

2MuchMark 09-01-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20534059)
Republicans are the extreme right, there are no moderates left. Hence the reason there are never any republican candidates anywhere close to the center, just ones whom try to be more extreme than the next..

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20534103)
I have to hand it to you; just when I think there is no way you can say something dumber than the last, you Trump it.

Baddog, Crockett is right. It has even been said that St. Ronald Reagan would never become a republican nominee because even he is considered left by today's ultra-far-right republicans.



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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20533997)
On another note: No candidate has said squat about the Lafayette Movie Theater Shootings (other than Jindal as Governor of Louisiana ) -- they seem paralyzed and too PC concerned for coming out with a position -- how would any of them be able to deal with issues on-the-fly if in the oval office? They are being managed by their handlers ... Bunch of losers ...


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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 20534037)
You suggest you are an American but your commentary leads me to believe you do not or have not ever lived here ... or just don't have a clue.

Why should a presidential candidate, much less a dozen of them waste time concentrating on a local crime? That's one thing Obama could not keep from doing and all he succeeded in doing is causing more of a rift in this country.

Baddog I agree with Barry-xlovecam. Just because you and others like you don't give a shit anymore about human life, and just because righties seem willing to dismiss human lives for the "freedom to carry guns" bullshit that is spoon-fed to you by the NRA, doesn't mean that the rest of the world doesn't care. We do. From our non-American (not un-American) point of view, any candidate, republican or otherwise that is soft on gun control, is just another low life ready to take it up the ass by the NRA so they will look the other way as gun laws become softer, software, and practically non existent, while more and more men, women, and CHILDREN die it fucking horrible, violent deaths.

bronco67 09-01-2015 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20567114)
Lol. What a dumb analysis.

Just watched CNN and they showed Bush's new attack ad accusing Trump of being a Democrat by using Trump's own words in interviews.

Then they had commentary on CNN fron Van Jones, and he said Trump is no conservative...and that's why Bush's attack ad would NOT work. Jones said Trump's supporters are not conservative and are polling for him because they are disgusted with the way politicians have lied.

Bronco, you are so far offbase with your thinking on Trump. He doesn't draw the right wing at all. His positions are more Democrat than Republican. He represents an idea of getting rid of lying career politicians who are bought and sold every day.

You are thinking in terms of Trump being part of the political process you are used to, but he is a whole different animal.

You're off base.

He doesn't draw the right wing at all? Do you think the 60% of his supporters who believe Obama isn't American are liberal, or even Libertarian or Independent? They're conservative. That's a conservative idea.

You're right that he's anti-establishment, but he's speaking hardcore Republicans language.

2MuchMark 09-01-2015 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Joshua G (Post 20534948)
your dreaming. i dream too. in my dreams, its hillary. she doesnt stumble, too experienced. but she will be evasive, provide answers with no relation to the question, & generally dip & dunk like tom brady does the short pass. Then trump comes on & says, bada-bing, we're gonna fuckin fix it & nobodys gonna bully the USA when im president.

& he will win.

:2 cents:


I think maybe it depends who the moderator is.

If the moderator asks a good question and refuses to accept a general, no-answer answer, and instead demands details, I think Hillary would do a better job answering it than Trump. Don't forget that Hillary or any other politician for that matter, has real political experience. Trump has zero experience, which is why I think he will lose in a real debate.

Robbie 09-01-2015 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20567186)
Do you think the 60% of his supporters who believe Obama isn't American are liberal, or even Libertarian or Independent? They're conservative. That's a conservative idea.

No it's not a "conservative" idea.

Conservatism has to do with fiscal policy. (not speaking of religious nuts and so-called "social conservatism")

The birther idea is a STUPID idea. And trust me...there are just as many stupid fake liberals as there are stupid fake conservatives.
Stupidity doesn't discriminate based on political ideology.

dyna mo 09-01-2015 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20567185)
Baddog I agree with Barry-xlovecam. Just because you and others like you don't give a shit anymore about human life, and just because righties seem willing to dismiss human lives for the "freedom to carry guns" bullshit that is spoon-fed to you by the NRA, doesn't mean that the rest of the world doesn't care. We do. From our non-American (not un-American) point of view, any candidate, republican or otherwise that is soft on gun control, is just another low life ready to take it up the ass by the NRA so they will look the other way as gun laws become softer, software, and practically non existent, while more and more men, women, and CHILDREN die it fucking horrible, violent deaths.

no.

actually the adults that can comprehend complex issues realize throwing laws at this willy-nilly avoids most all of the actual reasons behind the issues.

in your simpleton brain you need to point your finger at the NRA and squeal about NRA brainwashing so you can use that to insult people like baddog. just like your made up bullshit that guns laws have become softer (under a democrat controlled EO and Congress btw) which they have not, and your nonsense that more and more people are dying when in reality gun fatalities are on the decline and have been for years and years.

but hey, keep making shit up so you can insult people, it's what you do. besides, you like to have personal freedoms and rights banned, we all get that.

Robbie 09-01-2015 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20567193)
I think maybe it depends who the moderator is.

If the moderator asks a good question and refuses to accept a general, no-answer answer, and instead demands details, I think Hillary would do a better job answering it than Trump. Don't forget that Hillary or any other politician for that matter, has real political experience. Trump has zero experience, which is why I think he will lose in a real debate.

Why do you think that? You think that because Hillary ran for Senate and President one time that she somehow magically becomes great at these fake debates (they are nothing more than glorified question and answer sessions...not true debates)?

Think about what you're saying. You think that politicians are suddenly so skilled and gifted.
Why?
They have no special talents. Hell, they never ever even try to make it in the real world and live their lives on the govt. teat as they "serve" (themselves).

And speaking of serving yourself...Anderson Cooper's show last night on CNN showed Hillary saying that she and Bill were not only "broke" when he left office 15 years ago...but that they were deeply in debt. Then they reported that the Clintons are worth millions now.

THAT is what politicians are good at. Leveraging their power to make tons of money.
And that is a GOOD thing in the private sector. Most of that money has been made by the companies that the Clintons helped while they were in office (both Bill and Hillary) paying Bill millions of dollars to speak at their functions.

But I'm just telling you that politicians are not "special" people with super powers.

They are mostly looking out for themselves and talk a lot of bullshit to stay in power so they can funnel govt. money to the companies that will end up hiring them when they finally (if ever) leave office.

Robbie 09-01-2015 11:35 AM

And oh, by the way, Mark I took a nice shot at you and crockett in this thread:
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...scientist.html

lol :)

dyna mo 09-01-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20567193)
I think maybe it depends who the moderator is.

If the moderator asks a good question and refuses to accept a general, no-answer answer, and instead demands details, I think Hillary would do a better job answering it than Trump. Don't forget that Hillary or any other politician for that matter, has real political experience. Trump has zero experience, which is why I think he will lose in a real debate.

we all get that you want politics as usual in America, and your worship of entrenched career politicians is unwavering.

PornSEO 09-01-2015 12:21 PM

He is a classic American thug.

ilnjscb 09-01-2015 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PornSEO (Post 20567266)
He is a classic American thug.

The SEO brothers, Porn and Cyber, really don't like America.

There is no classic American thug, bro. You mean like Adolf Hitler, or Josef Stalin, or Benito Mussolini, or Pol Pot, or Mao Ze Dong, or Kim Il Sung, or Idi Amin, or Muammar Qaddafi, or Nicolae Ceausescu? All those people that killed millions? None of them were American.

CAHEK 09-01-2015 10:48 PM

100 trump's

SuckOnThis 09-01-2015 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20567186)
You're off base.

He doesn't draw the right wing at all? Do you think the 60% of his supporters who believe Obama isn't American are liberal, or even Libertarian or Independent? They're conservative. That's a conservative idea.

You're right that he's anti-establishment, but he's speaking hardcore Republicans language.

Fully 61% of self-identified supporters of Trump, who famously demanded to see Obama?s birth certificate as proof he was born in Hawaii, said they believed the President was not born in the U.S. Only 21% in the Public Policy Polling study said Obama was born in America; 18% weren?t sure.

By comparison, 44% of usual Republican primary voters overall said they?re convinced Obama was not born in the U.S., while 29% think he was and 26% couldn?t say. 40% believe Ted Cruz was born in the US.

About 54% of average likely GOP primary voters told the pollsters they think he?s a Muslim, while only 14% said they believe he?s a Christian, as he says, and 32% weren?t sure.

But among Trump voters, the percentage of those who believe Obama is Muslim jumps to 66%, while 12% say the President is Christian and 23% weren?t sure.

Trump supporters :1orglaugh

Robbie 09-01-2015 11:59 PM

Those are great statistics and all...but a small sample of a group of people conducted by a "study" that was fishing for the answer they wanted does not really reflect the truth.

Fact is, Trump made a huge mistake with that whole "birther" bullshit in 2012.

He doesn't bring it up anymore...but the media and anti-trump people sure do. It's all they want to talk about. I guess trying to drag him back down?

That kind of political play usually works on the average candidate. But nothing seems to affect Trump. He's learned to say "Yeah, so what?" instead of trying to make lame excuses like the other candidates do.

It's part of his reverse-charm that makes him bigger than life. And it's why all the other candidates look kind of puny and weak next to him.

Not saying they ARE puny and weak...just talking about perception. When you have an alpha male on one side who doesn't give a fuck what anybody thinks VS a group of guys who have every word coming out of their mouths written for them by a team of "experts" who ran tests ahead of time to make sure that they don't say ANYTHING even remotely that could possibly offend anyone...well, it makes Trump larger than life and makes the rest look like nothing more than the lying politicians that they are.

Barry-xlovecam 09-02-2015 05:30 AM

On being a "birther";
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20567784)
[H]e doesn't bring it up anymore...but the media and anti-trump people sure do. It's althey want to talk about. I guess trying to drag him back down?...

?If you can't get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you'd best teach it to dance.? ... George Bernard Shaw

?There is something about a closet that makes a skeleton terribly restless? ... Wilson Mizner

You are always preceded by your reputation in life ....

mineistaken 09-02-2015 05:37 AM

Lol, who the fuck cares if he is a birther or not? That is less than microscopic issue compared to everything else that is important when talking about politics. It is like nothing actually.
NOBODY KNOWS for 100% is Hussein was born there or there anyways. What is a big deal if you question that? Or, more likely, just troll with that :1orglaugh
Funny how demtards exaggerate this minuscule issue... Shows they have nothing else.

I mean wtf, how could people give this issue even 0.000001% of consideration is laughable.
Questioning Hussein's place of birth has no effect on the course of the country. This is a PERSONAL thing, not a presidential campaign thing.

It has pretty much the same importance as if you would question some candidate if he liked snickers or twix.

Barry-xlovecam 09-02-2015 06:54 AM

I judge a man by what he says and does.

Not by his rhetoric.

_Richard_ 09-02-2015 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20568032)
I judge a man by what he says and does.

Not by his rhetoric.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

_Richard_ 09-02-2015 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 20567477)
The SEO brothers, Porn and Cyber, really don't like America.

There is no classic American thug, bro. You mean like Adolf Hitler, or Josef Stalin, or Benito Mussolini, or Pol Pot, or Mao Ze Dong, or Kim Il Sung, or Idi Amin, or Muammar Qaddafi, or Nicolae Ceausescu? All those people that killed millions? None of them were American.

his father was a slumlord.. are slumlords not thugs?

j3rkules 09-02-2015 09:17 AM

Whoever is winning at the moment will always seem to be invincible.~George Orwell

GregE 09-02-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20567784)
...Fact is, Trump made a huge mistake with that whole "birther" bullshit in 2012.

He doesn't bring it up anymore...but the media and anti-trump people sure do. It's all they want to talk about. I guess trying to drag him back down?

Well to be fair, Trump has only himself to blame for that present vulnerability.

I still like the guy though :thumbsup

Moreover, most people know that Trump's not a real birther. He only did that to get under Obama's skin.

CDSmith 09-02-2015 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GregE (Post 20568167)
Moreover, most people know that Trump's not a real birther. He only did that to get under Obama's skin.

Moreover, most people know that Trump's not a real misogynist. He only said those things to get under Rosie O'Donnell's fat skin.

dyna mo 09-02-2015 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 20568186)
Moreover, most people know that Trump's not a real misogynist. He only said those things to get under Rosie O'Donnell's fat skin.

rosie o'donnell's own adopted daughter recently chose to go live with her biological mother, that says a lot.

SuckOnThis 09-02-2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20568203)
rosie o'donnell's own adopted daughter recently chose to go live with her biological mother, that says a lot.

Yea, it says she would rather be with her biological mom. Crazy.

Sly 09-02-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20568203)
rosie o'donnell's own adopted daughter recently chose to go live with her biological mother, that says a lot.

I'm no fan of Rosie but that's pretty common with adopted children. Teenagers are difficult to deal with as is, imagine dealing with an adopted child that can't understand/accept why her biological mother "left her."

dyna mo 09-02-2015 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20568315)
Yea, it says she would rather be with her biological mom. Crazy.

yes, it says she would rather be with her low-income mother who gave her away when she was born rather than live in a mansion with a wealthy celebrity psycho.

dyna mo 09-02-2015 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20568318)
I'm no fan of Rosie but that's pretty common with adopted children. Teenagers are difficult to deal with as is, imagine dealing with an adopted child that can't understand/accept why her biological mother "left her."

going back to live with your biological mother who abandoned you is not pretty common at all. tracking them down and asking why is.

CaptainHowdy 09-02-2015 11:46 AM

Trump trumpets may be sounding the seventh celestial trumpet with a little haste ...

Robbie 09-02-2015 11:53 AM

My observation is that Trump is doing what no other candidate has EVER done or could do.

Think about it, the media has thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him so far. And he's still leading the polls.

Every other time that the media has went after a candidate, they either dropped out of the race or watched their numbers plummet the next day.

Trump has trumped them all so far.

I wonder how high his numbers would be if the media weren't talking negatively about him every day and instead just covered the campaign without trying to determine the outcome of it.

Sly 09-02-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20568354)
My observation is that Trump is doing what no other candidate has EVER done or could do.

Think about it, the media has thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him so far. And he's still leading the polls.

Every other time that the media has went after a candidate, they either dropped out of the race or watched their numbers plummet the next day.

Trump has trumped them all so far.

I wonder how high his numbers would be if the media weren't talking negatively about him every day and instead just covered the campaign without trying to determine the outcome of it.

When the media goes after a candidate, the candidate will usually change their tone or deflect or try to deny somehow.

Hillary would be a good example. She is straight out denying any wrongdoing at all and trying to change the topic whenever possible.

Trump has just taken them head on, whether he was right or wrong. "Fuck you, I'm Donald Trump, bring it on."

The way he got Fox News to back down was really a holy fuck moment.

Robbie 09-02-2015 12:04 PM

You hit the nail on the head Sly.

I've even heard the "experts" on CNN and Fox News pretty much demanding that Trump change his "tone" and make apologies or he's "done".

And then he climbs higher in the polls and makes them all look like the out of touch fools that they really are.


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