I don't mean to offend anyone here but you're falling for some brilliant PR. Absolutely brilliant. Almost as good as the Starbucks offering free college education PR.

The payment processing space is very crowded and this guy is standing out like a gold statue. He's getting some new lucrative loyal business from all this guaranteed.

Also, Gravity Payments is an 11 year old company started by Price & his brother - not a startup :thumbsup

Price has done PR stuff like this before, but this one really took off. Well done!

i'm not offended, i appreciate the info. it's always nice to get updated in an adult way.

i was basing my comments on the cursory news article i read about it. it seemed to me this was a very fresh company, this story also didn't cross my desk when he intially made the play a while back.

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LOL Nah. For most commie scum I don't care *wink*, but my friends who are just a little confused I do care.

Not your fault. In the PR he pays for he bills the company as a "startup" Even 2 years ago when the company was 9 years old as seen here in 2013 when he was promoting his move to cover the payroll tax increase for all employees. Someone there knows what they're doing. :thumbsup

i support a higher minimum wage. the current one has really fallen behind the times. but why are people shooting so high like $15/hr or this absurdity? not every job should be a living wage or else the rich can only buy 2 yachts instead of 3. :(

If you have more training / skills / responsibility as an underling yet are paid the same, I am sure your mind would change.

nah mate, as long as I get paid what I'm worth, it's never bothered me what any of my colleagues were earning. I had that instilled in me very early on, to worry about me, my earnings, my situation, and not to over-concern myself with whatever, whoever, howmuchever, regarding anyone else.

Maybe it's because it was instilled in me at such a young working age that I can separate the two. Really it's no different to those who worry about if persons a, b, x, y and z are on far more than them. Pay me my worth, and I could give a fuck what someone else's situation is.

Of course that's moot these days, and if I'm honest I wouldn't dish out wages based on that and ignore the fact that less able people need to be on less not least to have something to strive for, but then again I realise my perception of things is very different to the normal way most people look at things :2 cents:

My opinion stands though that if everyone worried more about themselves than everyone else, they'd have a far easier time of it. Then again if we were all the same it'd be boring as fuck :pimp

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To clarify that - as long as I'm not being underpaid, I could give a fuck if someone else is getting overpaid :thumbsup

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:thumbsup :1orglaugh that certainly explains the shit-eating grin on that cheeky bastard's face. i'm from the sales side of the marketing/sales effort, that marketing mind meld shit is like greek to me!

Robbie just makes shit up as long as it sounds right in "Robbie's World"

Despite the fact that Robbie uses my name and Mark Prince's name and tries to tell everyone how the two of us thought this was like sweet potato pie, neither myself or Merk reply in the orginal topic...


Yet another instance of Robbie's imagination running wild...

The orginal topic from which Robbie makes up his lies about me in Mark Prince thinking it was great.. Neither of us posted in it...


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GFY Truthometer... FALSE Robbie just makes dumb shit up..

Robbie's not exactly Mensa material.

My apologies crockett. I didn't bother to look back at it.

I was wrong.

And I'm happy that you do not agree with that idiot doing what he did in the first place. :)

It's not for me to agree or disagree with what he did with his own company in a situation like that. My only issues with stuff like this, is the fact lower end wages have been stagnate for 20 years or more.

Minumim wage needs to be increased to keep up with inflation, not so much for people whom make minimum wage but because it sets the bar for which others are paid. There are millions of people in this country whom work hard and aren't lazy, but are stuck with jobs paying barely over minumin wage, making $10 or $12/hr and trying to support a family on that.

These people aren't dumb, they aren't lazy, they are people whom in the past would have worked factory jobs. The people whom used to be the middle class but today companies don't give a shit about their employees and pay them shit, because there is another standing in line behind them.

I disagree crockett. I think people should simply be paid what the particular task they are doing is worth in terms of skill level and employee productivity.

But anyway... I apologize again for erroneously bringing you and ********** into it when neither of you were even in that thread.

Don't worry though...we will battle on the field of GFY again! lol

The problem with that idea, is there is no longer a voice for the 'workers' as in whom gets to deside what a task is worth. Now it's only the companies whom decide and they of course will pay as little as possible.

Unions have been destroyed with the help of polititions whom get checks from the companies. Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of unions were scams and pushed for ridiculous things, but there has to be a happy medium.

If companies like target and Costco can pay their workers $14-$17/hr then why does Walmart pay $9 and 10? It's not that they can't afford to pay more, but because they get away with it and because they get away with it, it's tax payers whom make up the diffrence with welfar and social services..

The simple fact is, these companies whom pay low wages are using your tax dollars to support their workforce.. That is why raising minimum wage to keep up with inflation is important, because in the long run it saves us tax dollars by not requiring social services..

This is the problem I have with people whom are usually on the right that bitch about welfare queens, yet give free passes to companies whom won't pay above the poverty level. These companies are the welfare kings. Yet that's no big deal..

Yep. I think we pushed past that a couple of decades ago.

The unions (in my opinion) made themselves irrelevant by going too far and instead of being a voice for the workers, became an institution unto themselves.

In a lot of ways they ended up costing people jobs here in the USA in recent decades.
Not the way they were originally intended to work for sure.

As far as what Costco pays VS what Walmart pays... Walmart management pays an employee what the task is worth to them.

It's pretty simple, if you are an unskilled worker and work at Walmart and don't like it...QUIT. Go work for Costco and make a dollar or two more.

OR...make yourself more valuable to the company. Learn a skill. Or stop just punching a time clock and start kicking ass on your job.

And if none of that floats your boat...then just sit back and let motivated people run right past you in the game of life.

That's how I see it. And that's how it SHOULD be.

Not everyone has the ability to learn a new skill. That costs money and time Robbie. For someone whom may have kids or works 2 jobs to support themselfs there is no time to advance their selves. They are stuck in the same life position not for lack of trying but lack of opportunity.

You have lived a very sheltered life where you have had opportunity to make relatively large amounts of money with out punching a time clock. You just assume these people don't try, because you lump everyone with a low paying job into a lazy worthless class.

People whom struggle and are barely making ends meet, don't have the financial ability to move upwards in most cases unless they get a lucky break. Think about it Robbie, someone making $10/hr which is above minimum wage is making $400/week before taxes. That $400 turns into probably $340-360 or something close to that after taxes.

Now you have $360/week to support your kid, keep a car running, insured, gas in the tank.. Eat, cloth yourself and find somewhere to live..

How long do you think you could keep that going before one thing goes wrong ? The kid gets sick or the car breaks down.. It's all it takes and you are fucked..

Now change that same income to say $15/hr and $600/week and suddenly the person has a fighting chance, not only to survive but to advance themselves.

If you are an unskilled worker: get an education or you will be getting an EBT card in your future. (On the dole or soylent green). There is even pressure on a lot of traditional skilled trades. Learn computer skills like AI and network engineering or API coding disciplines if you want a good future in 10 or 20 years. Or, move to the third world where laborers will still be used in the fields and live in a hut.

The writing is on the wall ... And it has been for over 10 years.

Retail physical bricks and mortar outlets will be 70% to 85% automated. The shelves will be stocked by robotics and there will be AI consoles where you can ask what isle the sugar is in. The checkout lines will be self serve and every 6 check out lines will be supervised (policed) by a human. There will be few jobs at places like Walmart. Places like Amazon are starting to do these things now and with 20% of the physical facilities Amazon has surpassed Walmart this quarter in revenues. The writing is on the wall ...

Those retail and fast food jobs won't exist in 10 or 20 years -- it is a dead end.

It would not take much for a drive in lane at the fast food joint to have an AI console take your order and the robotic hamburger flipper cook your order. A machine will take you money and your ratburger meal will exit from a chute -- there may be 3 humans: a technician/mechanic to attend to the machinery, a customer assistance person and a supervisor on each shift -- no grunt workers making minimum wages ... Machines are more cost effective and are never late for work or sick you just need a tech to tend to their mechanical needs ...

Ronald Robotic McDonalds ...

crockett, I didn't lead a "sheltered life"

I was a professional musician touring the country for over 20 years before I got into the adult industry.

We played 7 days a week, drove long hours between gigs, slept 4 to a shitty motel room every night, lived off bologna sandwiches and paid ourselves $200 a week each after expenses. (5 man band, 3 man road crew, agency taking 15% off the top, gasoline for a 24 foot equipment truck and a band van, and motel rooms in every town).

I KNOW how to live on a little bit of money when I had to. I had a vision and a dream and I pursued it.

When I got older and realized that wasn't going to work...I decided to make a shit ton of money.
And so I did.

I am a driven person in whatever I do. If I worked at Walmart, I would make myself the best employee there. I'd get to work early and leave late. I would hustle all day long instead of relaxing when I had the chance.
I would ask management to give me MORE responsibility.

And over time I would move up the ladder.

It's not that hard to figure out. If you are simply unable to get a better education on your own...Walmart (or any other employer) is always happy to have a dedicated employee who goes above and beyond the norm.

And then you get trained to move up the ladder.

It's an old way of doing things. And it is the right way to do things.

If I hire someone, it's because I have a task that needs to be done...and they need a job.

It's not my responsibility to be their daddy and raise them like my own kids. It's not my "job" to hand them a "living wage".
It's their "job" to EARN a living wage and make themselves valuable.

It's not just about unskilled workers.. There are lots of skilled workers out there whom jobs have left them and their skills become useless. Think about all those truck drivers in 10 or 15 years.. How many of them will be out of work due to self driving trucks?

As a society, we are in for a rough ride as jobs are replaced by machines.. The problem is a "good" economy doesn't just depend on how much money a company can make, but also on what the average person has to spend. These retail giants won't have people to buy their products if no one has jobs or makes low income..

Heh, Robbie is anything but 'sheltered'. LOL

I do not consider truck drivers 'skilled workers'.

For that matter, when you do your grocery shopping, 70% are non perishable items that you can just select on the Internet by brand and price available. Go to the store and hand pick your meats and produce perishables then pick up the balance of your cart brought to you by a machine "Supermarket Shippy the shopping cart." There will be a job for the card technician.

This isn't The Jetsons this in a few short years.

Uber just got here in Vegas.

One thing is for sure. If you need a job, and you have a car, and you aren't a convicted criminal...you can make a LOT more than minimum wage as an Uber driver.

And that's just ONE thing that technology has brought about.

Hell, any woman...regardless of age, race, or weight can make great money doing webcams.

Anybody can start an online business and start making money right away.

In the year 2015...there is no excuse for people to NOT be making whatever their intelligence and drive and ambition allow them to make.

For now they can make a lot of money, but the Uber CEO wants to switch to self driving cars.. He has even gone so far as to tel Telsa he'd buy 50 thousand of them right away..(ie self driving electric cars)

Can you drive a tractor trailer? Can you back one up to a loading dock?

fuckin a i can, bubba.

Robbie, it's a completly diffrent thing to live on $200 when living for "yourself". Try adding a kid into the mix and see how far that $200 goes and how well living In hotel rooms works out.. Besides that your $200 20 or 30 years ago was probably $400 or 500 today.

When I say sheltered I mean lack of true responsibility... It's easy to support yourself with very little if no one depends on you.

Adapt or move to Indochina they need water buffalo operators still.

Humans are being downsized and that is just evolutionary progression. I am glad I am not 25 looking for a future without a modern era education. And crockett, truck drivers are semiskilled workers that can be replaced by machines -- 80% of humans are replaceable by machines. This doesn't make them bad people but should I pay more and suffer inefficiency so they have a better life with limited skills? That is a moral and societal question that I can't really answer.

I am 60 years old this month and not too far from the "dog food factory." I make my living designing the future so this is in my self interest survival to think this way because this is the direction society has chosen to take. I will resist becoming dog food as long as I can think and plan the future.

You left out some of the other things that truck driver friends of mine kick ass at:
Can you drive 1000 miles straight while snorting an 8ball of crank?
After driving 2 straight days, can you go directly to the strip club and drop a grand?

Heh-heh
Truckers know how to party!

I was married to my first wife and had a kid the whole time. She bartended in Ft. Lauderdale to make money and I sent my 200 bucks home every week via western union.

We made it. And we were happy. We were both motivated.

To me that is the difference between winners VS these poor "victims" who are "forced"to work for low pay.

You expect it's just low skilled workers whom will be replaced, but it's not. It's predicted that by 2025 30% of jobs will be replaced by machines (yes just 10 years from today). Even jobs such as wall st traders are at risk of being replaced by computers.

Then you have computer programmers.. How long do you think it will be before code can be written by computers themselves? Think about it.. It's going to happen as even high skill tech jobs will eventually be automated.

Robbie, honestly that makes zero sense.. You said you paid yourself $200/week and you sent $200/week home.. We all know you didn't exisit on zero dollars. even the Westren Union transaction would cost money.. :winkwink:

Computers do not create only man and gods do that. The wall street trader who is obsoleted by evolutionary pressure may be my customer. The top 3% of society can afford camgirls at $120 to $200 an hour. If they last men standing make more money because of automation they can afford to buy more of what I sell.

To put it in the colloquial: I sell Mercedes not Toyotas ... I know where my bread is buttered and I don't plan on being a dinosaur for a while :winkwink:

You forget one thing.. As less people are able to afford less Mercedes, they either get extremely expensive or Mercdes becomes no more..

See you are falling for the conclusion that thinks you will not be affected by massive job losses of the lesser paid. The economy is not just the top or the bottom earners. It's all of them and we are all affected if one group no longer exists..

You are a fool if you think anyone is isolated. Yes the extremely well off will still be well off as long as the govt doesn't collapse and money becomes useless..

You are not the extremely rich but a middle man. You too can be replaced.

If you want someone to blame, blame President John F. Kennedy, I was 7 years old and JFK not only set the goal of a man on the moon but the space race had the effect to germinate today's technical progression -- I had little idea that the Jetsons cartoon might become a reality before I died. Space travel required computers to plot the course and control the rocket's systems. In my lifetime the standards and lifestyles of half the population have radically improved while others were left behind.

Those that could grasp onto the future succeeded those that resisted the future and longed for their past glory now find themselves at a dead end.

Should there come a global civil war and the poor eat the rich it would not surprise me. Men burnt witches not that long ago and man has proven himself self destructive throughout history. If we reverted to living in caves it would come as no surprise to me. Without technology and medicine I am dead in a short time so I just go with the flow.

A society that is based 100% on Capitalism is not sustainable.

A society based 100% on Socialism is not sustainable.

You need both, working together, to maintain a viable system.

To vilify the word "socialism" is as idiotic as glorifying the word "capitalism".

Now that Sanders is in the race, the blind vilification of the word "Socialism" by the media is more than just a little bit noticeable these days.

I guess when just 4 or 5 corporations control the message, the propaganda machine works perfectly!

Many have tried and most are not around today. I have morphed my working skills many times to survive the economic woes that man and his governments have caused.

Instead of pissing and moaning crockett find a new way and adapt. There is no choice. That is why I totally reject guys like Trump and his "angry white man's bullshit." It's just a page out of Mein Kampf -- demonize and lead the masses. I don't demonize the unskilled and I don't demonize the 1%.

If I had $30 billion I would probably be fucking everyone over too. When I had nothing I was a Yippie and White Panther at heart. Don't demonize me; when I was 22 at my bottom point I was homeless and sleeping in the woods -- no one handed me jack-shit. I have a close friend and a former business partner that is a millionaire -- when he got out of the Marine Corps he slept in his car. You are who you can be if you try.

Question is who can you be standing on your own two feet. I hope you find your way ...

Also for the record, the words "Communism" and "Socialism" are not interchangeable. I've noticed the talking heads are conflating the two nowadays as well.

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In 10 years when most of the jobs in the US have been shipped off to Vietnam for 50 cents an hour, and all of the middle and lower class jobs in the US have been replaced by robots and technologies, it will not be more Capitalism that will save your asses - it will be more Socialism.

Capitalism is by far the best system but it must be heavily regulated with a reasonable mix of socialism. The faults in current capitalism have come about because of lax regulation and lack of resonible usage of socialism..


Is a balencing act which is hard to maintain.. Too much regulation and business suffers but too little and the people suffer as with too much socialism people get lazy and too little and the society suffers. The key is responsible and sustainable amounts of each.

I don't need anyone to blame, I'm saying we have to act responsibly as a society. One can not expect to stay the world's leading super power and stay on the cutting edge of technology if we expect large amounts of the society to live below poverty levels and not be capable of advancing themselves.

The middle class and the melting pot is what has made America strong and unique as a country. When you start waging war on the middle class or the melting pot, then the country will eventually stop being strong and unique.

Some socialism I will willingly pay for if I can benefit too. Healthcare and maybe some souplines.

But I don't want to pay taxes to support the unemployable. I may be willing to pay taxes to educate those that want to try to succeed. In fact I do to the school district that my home is in. Would I pay more to ensure community college education toward marketable employment to those that will learn -- yes. My customers will benefit frpm the skill they learn and have more money to spend.

Do I want to pay taxes for general relief for people to sit at home and make babies to get more general relief (welfare, Section 8, EBT ) Fuck no.

Is an illegal immigrant going to come from central america and take my job? Fuck no! Ever seen the conditions that the illegals work in? I have -- most American citizens would rather collect welfare than work some of those shit low wage jobs in the sweatshop factories, cleaning toilets and making beds in hotels and in the farm fields. Crocodile tears.

Now if you want to do something constructive, you can eliminate the write off on outsourced labor -- domestic and foreign. The domestic Independent Contractor job classification is being fraudulently used in many cases.

Outsourcing customer support functions for domestic US customers to foreign workers (e.g; India Call Centers) should not be delectable as a business expense. If that foreign call center costs 10 million a year and the US based call center costs 15 million post tax deduction well then India may get the work. However, the full 10 million spent will be taxable = 3.5 million new tax revenue. That is fair to American workers as that newly gained 3.5 million could be used toward spending to benefit American workers (theoretically and not blow jobs for Senators :P).

leave it to a dumbfuck like crockoshitt to use antiquated and completely wrong terms like "melting pot" to try and make his point.

jtfc, melting pot is what makes America strong&unique. wtf.

A melting pot of cultures and ideas maybe ...

I don't think a melting pot of the useless benefiting from the able's efforts would advance society ... try again ...

he's a fucking ignorant, biased fool, he has no fucking idea what he meant by melting pot. it's very clear he has no idea re: even the most basic of concepts re: the fucking melting pot phrase and thinking.

I 100% agree that your own drive largely determines your fate. That is not the argument.

The argument is as a society we still have to try to help those whom aren't as capable of determining or creating a better future for themselves.

If someone puts in the effort to work a 40hrs job they should at least make enough to stay above the poverty level.

No one is saying a company has to keep useless people around, but if they do keep them around, they should be paid a living wage.

Tax payers shouldn't be on the hook to make up the difference for walmart workers.

I have no idea who Dan is, but if you read the story, of course some of his top people left. New hires of any company do not deserve top dollar over others who have been there longer and given much more of their time, and have much more experience and knowledge, etc.

In other words, I agree with them, and surprise, even with you.

Keep me the fuck out of your stupid rants please. Stop dropping my name, stop talking for me, stop putting words into my mouth.

Why? If all i can do is shovel shit (metaphorically) why should I get "a livable wage ($15.00/hr) A mini bobcat like they use in horse stables can shovel as much shit as 10 men with 1 driver and a part time hand laborer. The bobcat costs $20K once every 4 years $5K a year for the smallest one. That is $300K for livable wage laborers vs about $140K a year for man and machine.

I know I replaced 3 expensive construction laborers that if they showed up for work, they were fucked up half the time and bitched about having to work for $15/ hr 20 years ago the rest of the time -- my ears hurt!!!!. So, fuck em -- I bought a machine and kept one guy. Life in the building contracting business. Good thing was the guy that was left became an apprentice mason for me. 5 years after I closed the business and moved on Dennis called me from Texas and told me he got a job as a mason, was making good money and he thanked me for teaching him a trade :thumbsup

There is a good side to everything if you work toward it. If the best you can do is shovel shit with the ''spoon of knowledge'' as we called the shovel -- you can be replaced by a machine in most cases. Life is a bitch then you die ...

Yes, and since you've never lived on the road as a musician you don't understand. I lived in motel rooms and we bought food as a band. If we needed guitar strings or drum sticks or a speaker blew we paid for it off the top.

Why would you think I'm not telling you exactly the way it was?
It's called life on the road.

At the end of each week we paid ourselves an average of 200 bucks each. Sometimes a little less, sometimes a few dollars more depending on whether we got a good deal on rooms and if the truck didn't break down etc.

I sent all of my money home minus the wu fee.

You just can't wrap your head around people not being a victim and being able to pursue their dreams and make sacrifices. But people have done just that since the beginnig of time.

It wasn't a rant. It was me laughing at how fast that shit went down for this idiot.

And as with crockett...I apologize to you. I went over the top with the point I was trying to prove.

My apologies.