You are arguing agains many millennia of commerce with what you feel are extremely rare exceptions (and likely misrepresented) to the rule. It's a bit like torture. If it's been going on since before the dawn of civilization to extract vital information from enemies, it's not because it "doesn't work".

Im actually not trying to troll you. What you said is that why would someone care what others are making. And i provided valid points. That's all.

It doesn't matter. No one knows the facts and no one is arguing the facts. This is gfy. The stately is "guy pays everyone 70k a year" and everyone likes up to examine why that's fair and why everyone should be paid more than the value they represent to the company. Anyone that's ever hire and fired and employed a lot of people knows full well that you pay people their value. Paying them more than they are worth is a busted when you can hire a new Persian of value.

Tony was a life long Union auto worker... To him all companies are greedy, management is selfish and evil and no one ever gets what they're worth. Had he ever actually ran a successful business... Instead of spending his time planning his next Union grievance, , he'd see things in a very different way.

That said, we need the Tomys of the world. Someone has to stand their and run that big metal press. And if he didn't have his mindset - he wouldn't have been there to do it. It's obviously not going to be done by the guy who feels that life is full of nothing but opportunity and potential for growth. It's going to be done by the guy that thinks an unfair life and unfair greedy companies put him there and keeps him here and give him no chance to succeed.

I don't like them either, but I think most of them are even smart enough to know this stupidity would fail real fast. They like to steal your money slowly.

Some people just aren't worth $70K. Why do people think they can just stomp their feet and get paid as much as everyone else? It doesn't just take hard work to succeed, it takes good work to succeed. Force people to want to do better.

This is why you don't want to spoil your kids. The people who grew up in poor families or stingy families with money who didn't have a lot growing up sometimes work their asses off because they say it will never happen to their kids then they spoil their kids and those kids get an entitlement attitude. Then the next generation is just as spoiled and minimum wage has to go up again because they kick and scream like the kids on peanuts because they're not getting their fair share.

Minimum wage is an entry level wage. Use it to go to school and save for your first home. Have 3 jobs and work hard while learning a skill.

Or hey, why don't we just all split everyone's revenue here and we all get the same amount. Then no one really has to do much of anything. Everyone will get paid $10 an hour. Blech.

bummer i can't edit this. i meant i don't like "socialist ideas" either. socialist people can be ok, they're just wrong.

Are you afraid you offended the socialist/communist scum?

and tried to score points because you couldn't grasp my finer point. I see.

We're cool then.

It's really about balance, an equal mix of rich, poor, losers/winners, good people/assholes, etc. That's life. No one way works or, you know, it would be working. LOL

The guy tried something new. Is it working? I'd say no AND yes. What a situation tho.

I try to "debate" with idiot business owners all the time about overpaying employees, and I hear the same empty rhetoric: It will raise morale, they'll work harder, blah blah blah. I'm telling you based on education AND experience; IT DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. Yeah, it sounds great on paper, but once applied, it almost always fails. I know it's not the same, but that's also one of the reasons I'm against raising minimum wage. It will be this but on a much larger scale.

I don't mean to offend anyone here but you're falling for some brilliant PR. Absolutely brilliant. Almost as good as the Starbucks offering free college education PR.

The payment processing space is very crowded and this guy is standing out like a gold statue. He's getting some new lucrative loyal business from all this guaranteed.

Also, Gravity Payments is an 11 year old company started by Price & his brother - not a startup :thumbsup

Price has done PR stuff like this before, but this one really took off. Well done!

i'm not offended, i appreciate the info. it's always nice to get updated in an adult way.

i was basing my comments on the cursory news article i read about it. it seemed to me this was a very fresh company, this story also didn't cross my desk when he intially made the play a while back.

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LOL Nah. For most commie scum I don't care *wink*, but my friends who are just a little confused I do care.

Not your fault. In the PR he pays for he bills the company as a "startup" Even 2 years ago when the company was 9 years old as seen here in 2013 when he was promoting his move to cover the payroll tax increase for all employees. Someone there knows what they're doing. :thumbsup

i support a higher minimum wage. the current one has really fallen behind the times. but why are people shooting so high like $15/hr or this absurdity? not every job should be a living wage or else the rich can only buy 2 yachts instead of 3. :(

If you have more training / skills / responsibility as an underling yet are paid the same, I am sure your mind would change.

nah mate, as long as I get paid what I'm worth, it's never bothered me what any of my colleagues were earning. I had that instilled in me very early on, to worry about me, my earnings, my situation, and not to over-concern myself with whatever, whoever, howmuchever, regarding anyone else.

Maybe it's because it was instilled in me at such a young working age that I can separate the two. Really it's no different to those who worry about if persons a, b, x, y and z are on far more than them. Pay me my worth, and I could give a fuck what someone else's situation is.

Of course that's moot these days, and if I'm honest I wouldn't dish out wages based on that and ignore the fact that less able people need to be on less not least to have something to strive for, but then again I realise my perception of things is very different to the normal way most people look at things :2 cents:

My opinion stands though that if everyone worried more about themselves than everyone else, they'd have a far easier time of it. Then again if we were all the same it'd be boring as fuck :pimp

edited to add:
To clarify that - as long as I'm not being underpaid, I could give a fuck if someone else is getting overpaid :thumbsup

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:thumbsup :1orglaugh that certainly explains the shit-eating grin on that cheeky bastard's face. i'm from the sales side of the marketing/sales effort, that marketing mind meld shit is like greek to me!

Robbie just makes shit up as long as it sounds right in "Robbie's World"

Despite the fact that Robbie uses my name and Mark Prince's name and tries to tell everyone how the two of us thought this was like sweet potato pie, neither myself or Merk reply in the orginal topic...


Yet another instance of Robbie's imagination running wild...

The orginal topic from which Robbie makes up his lies about me in Mark Prince thinking it was great.. Neither of us posted in it...


https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...ity-stunt.html



GFY Truthometer... FALSE Robbie just makes dumb shit up..

Robbie's not exactly Mensa material.

My apologies crockett. I didn't bother to look back at it.

I was wrong.

And I'm happy that you do not agree with that idiot doing what he did in the first place. :)

It's not for me to agree or disagree with what he did with his own company in a situation like that. My only issues with stuff like this, is the fact lower end wages have been stagnate for 20 years or more.

Minumim wage needs to be increased to keep up with inflation, not so much for people whom make minimum wage but because it sets the bar for which others are paid. There are millions of people in this country whom work hard and aren't lazy, but are stuck with jobs paying barely over minumin wage, making $10 or $12/hr and trying to support a family on that.

These people aren't dumb, they aren't lazy, they are people whom in the past would have worked factory jobs. The people whom used to be the middle class but today companies don't give a shit about their employees and pay them shit, because there is another standing in line behind them.

I disagree crockett. I think people should simply be paid what the particular task they are doing is worth in terms of skill level and employee productivity.

But anyway... I apologize again for erroneously bringing you and ********** into it when neither of you were even in that thread.

Don't worry though...we will battle on the field of GFY again! lol

The problem with that idea, is there is no longer a voice for the 'workers' as in whom gets to deside what a task is worth. Now it's only the companies whom decide and they of course will pay as little as possible.

Unions have been destroyed with the help of polititions whom get checks from the companies. Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of unions were scams and pushed for ridiculous things, but there has to be a happy medium.

If companies like target and Costco can pay their workers $14-$17/hr then why does Walmart pay $9 and 10? It's not that they can't afford to pay more, but because they get away with it and because they get away with it, it's tax payers whom make up the diffrence with welfar and social services..

The simple fact is, these companies whom pay low wages are using your tax dollars to support their workforce.. That is why raising minimum wage to keep up with inflation is important, because in the long run it saves us tax dollars by not requiring social services..

This is the problem I have with people whom are usually on the right that bitch about welfare queens, yet give free passes to companies whom won't pay above the poverty level. These companies are the welfare kings. Yet that's no big deal..

Yep. I think we pushed past that a couple of decades ago.

The unions (in my opinion) made themselves irrelevant by going too far and instead of being a voice for the workers, became an institution unto themselves.

In a lot of ways they ended up costing people jobs here in the USA in recent decades.
Not the way they were originally intended to work for sure.

As far as what Costco pays VS what Walmart pays... Walmart management pays an employee what the task is worth to them.

It's pretty simple, if you are an unskilled worker and work at Walmart and don't like it...QUIT. Go work for Costco and make a dollar or two more.

OR...make yourself more valuable to the company. Learn a skill. Or stop just punching a time clock and start kicking ass on your job.

And if none of that floats your boat...then just sit back and let motivated people run right past you in the game of life.

That's how I see it. And that's how it SHOULD be.

Not everyone has the ability to learn a new skill. That costs money and time Robbie. For someone whom may have kids or works 2 jobs to support themselfs there is no time to advance their selves. They are stuck in the same life position not for lack of trying but lack of opportunity.

You have lived a very sheltered life where you have had opportunity to make relatively large amounts of money with out punching a time clock. You just assume these people don't try, because you lump everyone with a low paying job into a lazy worthless class.

People whom struggle and are barely making ends meet, don't have the financial ability to move upwards in most cases unless they get a lucky break. Think about it Robbie, someone making $10/hr which is above minimum wage is making $400/week before taxes. That $400 turns into probably $340-360 or something close to that after taxes.

Now you have $360/week to support your kid, keep a car running, insured, gas in the tank.. Eat, cloth yourself and find somewhere to live..

How long do you think you could keep that going before one thing goes wrong ? The kid gets sick or the car breaks down.. It's all it takes and you are fucked..

Now change that same income to say $15/hr and $600/week and suddenly the person has a fighting chance, not only to survive but to advance themselves.

If you are an unskilled worker: get an education or you will be getting an EBT card in your future. (On the dole or soylent green). There is even pressure on a lot of traditional skilled trades. Learn computer skills like AI and network engineering or API coding disciplines if you want a good future in 10 or 20 years. Or, move to the third world where laborers will still be used in the fields and live in a hut.

The writing is on the wall ... And it has been for over 10 years.

Retail physical bricks and mortar outlets will be 70% to 85% automated. The shelves will be stocked by robotics and there will be AI consoles where you can ask what isle the sugar is in. The checkout lines will be self serve and every 6 check out lines will be supervised (policed) by a human. There will be few jobs at places like Walmart. Places like Amazon are starting to do these things now and with 20% of the physical facilities Amazon has surpassed Walmart this quarter in revenues. The writing is on the wall ...

Those retail and fast food jobs won't exist in 10 or 20 years -- it is a dead end.

It would not take much for a drive in lane at the fast food joint to have an AI console take your order and the robotic hamburger flipper cook your order. A machine will take you money and your ratburger meal will exit from a chute -- there may be 3 humans: a technician/mechanic to attend to the machinery, a customer assistance person and a supervisor on each shift -- no grunt workers making minimum wages ... Machines are more cost effective and are never late for work or sick you just need a tech to tend to their mechanical needs ...

Ronald Robotic McDonalds ...

crockett, I didn't lead a "sheltered life"

I was a professional musician touring the country for over 20 years before I got into the adult industry.

We played 7 days a week, drove long hours between gigs, slept 4 to a shitty motel room every night, lived off bologna sandwiches and paid ourselves $200 a week each after expenses. (5 man band, 3 man road crew, agency taking 15% off the top, gasoline for a 24 foot equipment truck and a band van, and motel rooms in every town).

I KNOW how to live on a little bit of money when I had to. I had a vision and a dream and I pursued it.

When I got older and realized that wasn't going to work...I decided to make a shit ton of money.
And so I did.

I am a driven person in whatever I do. If I worked at Walmart, I would make myself the best employee there. I'd get to work early and leave late. I would hustle all day long instead of relaxing when I had the chance.
I would ask management to give me MORE responsibility.

And over time I would move up the ladder.

It's not that hard to figure out. If you are simply unable to get a better education on your own...Walmart (or any other employer) is always happy to have a dedicated employee who goes above and beyond the norm.

And then you get trained to move up the ladder.

It's an old way of doing things. And it is the right way to do things.

If I hire someone, it's because I have a task that needs to be done...and they need a job.

It's not my responsibility to be their daddy and raise them like my own kids. It's not my "job" to hand them a "living wage".
It's their "job" to EARN a living wage and make themselves valuable.

It's not just about unskilled workers.. There are lots of skilled workers out there whom jobs have left them and their skills become useless. Think about all those truck drivers in 10 or 15 years.. How many of them will be out of work due to self driving trucks?

As a society, we are in for a rough ride as jobs are replaced by machines.. The problem is a "good" economy doesn't just depend on how much money a company can make, but also on what the average person has to spend. These retail giants won't have people to buy their products if no one has jobs or makes low income..

Heh, Robbie is anything but 'sheltered'. LOL

I do not consider truck drivers 'skilled workers'.

For that matter, when you do your grocery shopping, 70% are non perishable items that you can just select on the Internet by brand and price available. Go to the store and hand pick your meats and produce perishables then pick up the balance of your cart brought to you by a machine "Supermarket Shippy the shopping cart." There will be a job for the card technician.

This isn't The Jetsons this in a few short years.

Uber just got here in Vegas.

One thing is for sure. If you need a job, and you have a car, and you aren't a convicted criminal...you can make a LOT more than minimum wage as an Uber driver.

And that's just ONE thing that technology has brought about.

Hell, any woman...regardless of age, race, or weight can make great money doing webcams.

Anybody can start an online business and start making money right away.

In the year 2015...there is no excuse for people to NOT be making whatever their intelligence and drive and ambition allow them to make.

For now they can make a lot of money, but the Uber CEO wants to switch to self driving cars.. He has even gone so far as to tel Telsa he'd buy 50 thousand of them right away..(ie self driving electric cars)

Can you drive a tractor trailer? Can you back one up to a loading dock?

fuckin a i can, bubba.

Robbie, it's a completly diffrent thing to live on $200 when living for "yourself". Try adding a kid into the mix and see how far that $200 goes and how well living In hotel rooms works out.. Besides that your $200 20 or 30 years ago was probably $400 or 500 today.

When I say sheltered I mean lack of true responsibility... It's easy to support yourself with very little if no one depends on you.

Adapt or move to Indochina they need water buffalo operators still.

Humans are being downsized and that is just evolutionary progression. I am glad I am not 25 looking for a future without a modern era education. And crockett, truck drivers are semiskilled workers that can be replaced by machines -- 80% of humans are replaceable by machines. This doesn't make them bad people but should I pay more and suffer inefficiency so they have a better life with limited skills? That is a moral and societal question that I can't really answer.

I am 60 years old this month and not too far from the "dog food factory." I make my living designing the future so this is in my self interest survival to think this way because this is the direction society has chosen to take. I will resist becoming dog food as long as I can think and plan the future.

You left out some of the other things that truck driver friends of mine kick ass at:
Can you drive 1000 miles straight while snorting an 8ball of crank?
After driving 2 straight days, can you go directly to the strip club and drop a grand?

Heh-heh
Truckers know how to party!

I was married to my first wife and had a kid the whole time. She bartended in Ft. Lauderdale to make money and I sent my 200 bucks home every week via western union.

We made it. And we were happy. We were both motivated.

To me that is the difference between winners VS these poor "victims" who are "forced"to work for low pay.