You expect it's just low skilled workers whom will be replaced, but it's not. It's predicted that by 2025 30% of jobs will be replaced by machines (yes just 10 years from today). Even jobs such as wall st traders are at risk of being replaced by computers.

Then you have computer programmers.. How long do you think it will be before code can be written by computers themselves? Think about it.. It's going to happen as even high skill tech jobs will eventually be automated.

Robbie, honestly that makes zero sense.. You said you paid yourself $200/week and you sent $200/week home.. We all know you didn't exisit on zero dollars. even the Westren Union transaction would cost money.. :winkwink:

Computers do not create only man and gods do that. The wall street trader who is obsoleted by evolutionary pressure may be my customer. The top 3% of society can afford camgirls at $120 to $200 an hour. If they last men standing make more money because of automation they can afford to buy more of what I sell.

To put it in the colloquial: I sell Mercedes not Toyotas ... I know where my bread is buttered and I don't plan on being a dinosaur for a while :winkwink:

You forget one thing.. As less people are able to afford less Mercedes, they either get extremely expensive or Mercdes becomes no more..

See you are falling for the conclusion that thinks you will not be affected by massive job losses of the lesser paid. The economy is not just the top or the bottom earners. It's all of them and we are all affected if one group no longer exists..

You are a fool if you think anyone is isolated. Yes the extremely well off will still be well off as long as the govt doesn't collapse and money becomes useless..

You are not the extremely rich but a middle man. You too can be replaced.

If you want someone to blame, blame President John F. Kennedy, I was 7 years old and JFK not only set the goal of a man on the moon but the space race had the effect to germinate today's technical progression -- I had little idea that the Jetsons cartoon might become a reality before I died. Space travel required computers to plot the course and control the rocket's systems. In my lifetime the standards and lifestyles of half the population have radically improved while others were left behind.

Those that could grasp onto the future succeeded those that resisted the future and longed for their past glory now find themselves at a dead end.

Should there come a global civil war and the poor eat the rich it would not surprise me. Men burnt witches not that long ago and man has proven himself self destructive throughout history. If we reverted to living in caves it would come as no surprise to me. Without technology and medicine I am dead in a short time so I just go with the flow.

A society that is based 100% on Capitalism is not sustainable.

A society based 100% on Socialism is not sustainable.

You need both, working together, to maintain a viable system.

To vilify the word "socialism" is as idiotic as glorifying the word "capitalism".

Now that Sanders is in the race, the blind vilification of the word "Socialism" by the media is more than just a little bit noticeable these days.

I guess when just 4 or 5 corporations control the message, the propaganda machine works perfectly!

Many have tried and most are not around today. I have morphed my working skills many times to survive the economic woes that man and his governments have caused.

Instead of pissing and moaning crockett find a new way and adapt. There is no choice. That is why I totally reject guys like Trump and his "angry white man's bullshit." It's just a page out of Mein Kampf -- demonize and lead the masses. I don't demonize the unskilled and I don't demonize the 1%.

If I had $30 billion I would probably be fucking everyone over too. When I had nothing I was a Yippie and White Panther at heart. Don't demonize me; when I was 22 at my bottom point I was homeless and sleeping in the woods -- no one handed me jack-shit. I have a close friend and a former business partner that is a millionaire -- when he got out of the Marine Corps he slept in his car. You are who you can be if you try.

Question is who can you be standing on your own two feet. I hope you find your way ...

Also for the record, the words "Communism" and "Socialism" are not interchangeable. I've noticed the talking heads are conflating the two nowadays as well.

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In 10 years when most of the jobs in the US have been shipped off to Vietnam for 50 cents an hour, and all of the middle and lower class jobs in the US have been replaced by robots and technologies, it will not be more Capitalism that will save your asses - it will be more Socialism.

Capitalism is by far the best system but it must be heavily regulated with a reasonable mix of socialism. The faults in current capitalism have come about because of lax regulation and lack of resonible usage of socialism..


Is a balencing act which is hard to maintain.. Too much regulation and business suffers but too little and the people suffer as with too much socialism people get lazy and too little and the society suffers. The key is responsible and sustainable amounts of each.

I don't need anyone to blame, I'm saying we have to act responsibly as a society. One can not expect to stay the world's leading super power and stay on the cutting edge of technology if we expect large amounts of the society to live below poverty levels and not be capable of advancing themselves.

The middle class and the melting pot is what has made America strong and unique as a country. When you start waging war on the middle class or the melting pot, then the country will eventually stop being strong and unique.

Some socialism I will willingly pay for if I can benefit too. Healthcare and maybe some souplines.

But I don't want to pay taxes to support the unemployable. I may be willing to pay taxes to educate those that want to try to succeed. In fact I do to the school district that my home is in. Would I pay more to ensure community college education toward marketable employment to those that will learn -- yes. My customers will benefit frpm the skill they learn and have more money to spend.

Do I want to pay taxes for general relief for people to sit at home and make babies to get more general relief (welfare, Section 8, EBT ) Fuck no.

Is an illegal immigrant going to come from central america and take my job? Fuck no! Ever seen the conditions that the illegals work in? I have -- most American citizens would rather collect welfare than work some of those shit low wage jobs in the sweatshop factories, cleaning toilets and making beds in hotels and in the farm fields. Crocodile tears.

Now if you want to do something constructive, you can eliminate the write off on outsourced labor -- domestic and foreign. The domestic Independent Contractor job classification is being fraudulently used in many cases.

Outsourcing customer support functions for domestic US customers to foreign workers (e.g; India Call Centers) should not be delectable as a business expense. If that foreign call center costs 10 million a year and the US based call center costs 15 million post tax deduction well then India may get the work. However, the full 10 million spent will be taxable = 3.5 million new tax revenue. That is fair to American workers as that newly gained 3.5 million could be used toward spending to benefit American workers (theoretically and not blow jobs for Senators :P).

leave it to a dumbfuck like crockoshitt to use antiquated and completely wrong terms like "melting pot" to try and make his point.

jtfc, melting pot is what makes America strong&unique. wtf.

A melting pot of cultures and ideas maybe ...

I don't think a melting pot of the useless benefiting from the able's efforts would advance society ... try again ...

he's a fucking ignorant, biased fool, he has no fucking idea what he meant by melting pot. it's very clear he has no idea re: even the most basic of concepts re: the fucking melting pot phrase and thinking.

I 100% agree that your own drive largely determines your fate. That is not the argument.

The argument is as a society we still have to try to help those whom aren't as capable of determining or creating a better future for themselves.

If someone puts in the effort to work a 40hrs job they should at least make enough to stay above the poverty level.

No one is saying a company has to keep useless people around, but if they do keep them around, they should be paid a living wage.

Tax payers shouldn't be on the hook to make up the difference for walmart workers.

I have no idea who Dan is, but if you read the story, of course some of his top people left. New hires of any company do not deserve top dollar over others who have been there longer and given much more of their time, and have much more experience and knowledge, etc.

In other words, I agree with them, and surprise, even with you.

Keep me the fuck out of your stupid rants please. Stop dropping my name, stop talking for me, stop putting words into my mouth.

Why? If all i can do is shovel shit (metaphorically) why should I get "a livable wage ($15.00/hr) A mini bobcat like they use in horse stables can shovel as much shit as 10 men with 1 driver and a part time hand laborer. The bobcat costs $20K once every 4 years $5K a year for the smallest one. That is $300K for livable wage laborers vs about $140K a year for man and machine.

I know I replaced 3 expensive construction laborers that if they showed up for work, they were fucked up half the time and bitched about having to work for $15/ hr 20 years ago the rest of the time -- my ears hurt!!!!. So, fuck em -- I bought a machine and kept one guy. Life in the building contracting business. Good thing was the guy that was left became an apprentice mason for me. 5 years after I closed the business and moved on Dennis called me from Texas and told me he got a job as a mason, was making good money and he thanked me for teaching him a trade :thumbsup

There is a good side to everything if you work toward it. If the best you can do is shovel shit with the ''spoon of knowledge'' as we called the shovel -- you can be replaced by a machine in most cases. Life is a bitch then you die ...

Yes, and since you've never lived on the road as a musician you don't understand. I lived in motel rooms and we bought food as a band. If we needed guitar strings or drum sticks or a speaker blew we paid for it off the top.

Why would you think I'm not telling you exactly the way it was?
It's called life on the road.

At the end of each week we paid ourselves an average of 200 bucks each. Sometimes a little less, sometimes a few dollars more depending on whether we got a good deal on rooms and if the truck didn't break down etc.

I sent all of my money home minus the wu fee.

You just can't wrap your head around people not being a victim and being able to pursue their dreams and make sacrifices. But people have done just that since the beginnig of time.

It wasn't a rant. It was me laughing at how fast that shit went down for this idiot.

And as with crockett...I apologize to you. I went over the top with the point I was trying to prove.

My apologies.

100 Foolish Socialists...

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I think Einstein, Lenin, and Marx were all correct in theory.

And if human beings wouldn't be corrupt and greedy then yeah...socialism and communism would definitely work great.

But look around you. Do you honestly believe that people would work together correctly for a greater good?
And just look at what happened to countries that embraced communism. Their leaders lived in golden palaces while the people themselves lived in tatters.

Even though politics and economics were not Einstein's strong suit, I can not argue with one of the smartest guys to ever walk the Earth.
I would suggest he wasn't taking human nature into account though.