So it was not a free material help. It was just a business for the USA. They simple sold their weapons to Hitler and then to Stalin just to gain their profit. Yeah the States were very helpful (for Hitler, Stalin and course for their own pocket) in that war :2 cents:

The USA catapulted to world super power in ~1916, during ww1, not WW2. Europeans couldn't afford their own offensives on each other even then and came to US scrambling for supplies, and not just weapons either.

So to be clear, USA catapulted to number one because Europeans couldnt stop warring with each other.

There was a hidden hand at work though, from US, the Tax Exempt Foundations, their job is to instigate war

Remember that the Romanians, Bulgarians and the Hungarians fought on the side of the fascists, this countries had no history of "western democracy", you know the sort we all love where the rich control the political process, and any one with several million dollars can be president.

But although the Soviet armies did not bring in utopia they did bring advances for a lot of people, free education for all, free health care, full employment, housing for everyone.

Now that period is over and people are free to go without health care, to be unemployed, to fight in Imperialist wars, and free to sleep under bridges when homeless.

In Poland there is now twice as many people in prison as under communism and 5 millions Poles have had to leave the country to find work.

The Night Swallows (the german scum called them "night witches") - they always came on the nightlight from nowhere, dropped the bombs and disappear into nowhere:



If you watch the archived videos, these were just regular Russian girls who took their only opportunity to fight Nazis (real videos). A women must be a medic or a pilot to have a chance to be accepted into the Red Army.

where did you get this info?

this is from the D-day museum in the UK
D-Day Museum and Overlord Embroidery

"Over 425,000 Allied and German troops were killed, wounded or went missing during the Battle of Normandy. This figure includes over 209,000 Allied casualties, with nearly 37,000 dead amongst the ground forces and a further 16,714 deaths amongst the Allied air forces. Of the Allied casualties, 83,045 were from 21st Army Group (British, Canadian and Polish ground forces), 125,847 from the US ground forces. The losses of the German forces during the Battle of Normandy can only be estimated. Roughly 200,000 German troops were killed or wounded. The Allies also captured 200,000 prisoners of war (not included in the 425,000 total, above). During the fighting around the Falaise Pocket (August 1944) alone, the Germans suffered losses of around 90,000, including prisoners. During the battle, between 15,000 and 20,000 French civilians were killed, mainly as a result of Allied bombing. Thousands more fled their homes to escape the fighting.

Today, twenty-seven war cemeteries hold the remains of over 110,000 dead from both sides: 77,866 German, 9,386 American, 17,769 British, 5,002 Canadian and 650 Poles. The bodies of many American casualties were repatriated to the USA, where they were reburied

Europeans don't give credit to Russians for the simple reason that they became the new Nazis. They drove out Hitler and replaced him with Stalin. Zero improvement.

I fixed it for you. I left the scum calling out of this.

That's another example of poor education in your country. Stalin didn't burn people in ovens. He didn't kill Europeans like this (warning very graphic images from WWII). Do you know that Eastern Europe was getting natural gas and oil from the USSR almost for free? Like they were occupants but not the occupied ones. Lean the history, educate yourself.

Even Afghan mujahedins have some kind nostalgia about Russian "occupation":



And as you can see, they have zero respect to the US troops. They don't even consider them as warriors. BTW, how many schools and clinics were built by the States in the countries they have invaded? No count them built by Russians in Eastern Europe, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc.

It was a geo-political (technical) war, but not a war to survive like WWII. Nobody wanted to occupy Finland. The Soviets needed to change the borders and the goal was achieved (even when Red Army was completely beheaded by Stalin who has killed all the commanders). So I don't understand why you are constantly refer to it. Finland was a Nazi ally and sucked Hitler's cook during a whole WWII.

Pfff... And that's all? A combined count for both sides for a whole war??? Epic win :) Once again look at the Stalingrad Battle stats. Almost 3,000,000 (3 millions!!!) of Russians (about 1,300,000) and Germans (about 1,500,000) died + almost 100,000 of captured German troops. And that was just one single battle. Now what about Battle of Kursk, Battle of Moscow, Battle of Berlin etc? The role of the USA in that war was absolutely insignificant. Your whole big country did less for the victory than a small Serbia. You sold weapons to Russia for gold and you did the same selling them to Hitler. It was just a business for you. So there is nothing to be proud of...

What a bullshit. For starters that war(s) was part of WWII as was Soviet vs Germany, UK vs Germany, US vs Germany, previous ones against Italy, US against Japan, etc.

Stalin wanted to occupy and annex Finland and also tried it. Twice. It was as much a fight for our survival than Soviet Union had against Germany. For real, for example in Estonia much of the population was transferred to Siberia or whatever and Russians were brought to replace them. Fucking swell.

Yes, Finland was more or less Germany's ally, so what? It was good alliance for us. Choices were Soviet Union that had just attacked us a year before (and tens of times before independence), and before independence the so called "Russialization" was in good memory, or to choose Germany as a ally. It was not that hard choice. The opposite side was Stalin and Soviet Union, not exactly boy scouts. Only difference is that Germany lost.. but we didn't.. so all in all.. well played Finland. We evaded Soviet Union and Nazi-Germany. End result was actually quite swell.

Transferred to Siberia. Wow! :1orglaugh Do you read alternative reality fantasy? :1orglaugh

"June deportation (Estonian: Juuniküüditamine, Latvian: Jūnija deportācijas, Lithuanian: Birželio trėmimai) was the first in the series of mass Soviet deportations of tens of thousands of people from the Baltic states, Belarus, Ukraine and Moldova starting June 14, 1941 that followed the occupation and annexation of the Baltic states. The procedure for deporting the "anti-Soviet elements" was approved by Ivan Serov in the so-called Serov Instructions. Men were generally imprisoned and most of them died in Siberian prison camps (see Gulag); women and children were resettled in Kirov, Tomsk, Omsk and Novosibirsk Oblasts as well as Krasnoyarsk and Altai Krais. About a half of them eventually survived.

After the war the deportation has its subsequent stage in a much larger scale, known as Operation Priboi."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_deportation


"Operation Priboi ("Coastal Surf") was the code name for the Soviet mass deportation from the Baltic states on March 25–28, 1949, called March deportation by Baltic historians. Some 90,000 Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians, labeled as enemies of the people, were deported to inhospitable areas of the Soviet Union. It was one of the most complex deportation operations engineered by the Soviets in the Cold war era."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Priboi

So 19,827 deported people were the most of the whole Estonian population? What shit do you smoke, man? :)

P.S. How many ethic Russians were deported to Siberia by Stalin? Care to count?

Oh, never mind.. just about 20 000 people.. nothing then..

Well, that was Operation Priboi. On top of that the first deportation, forced withdrawal to Soviet army (34 000, 70% died), executions, etc., it starts to sum up. Estonia's population was only about 1,1 million. On top of that decades under Soviet rule.

That was Russia. Estonia was foreign country they invaded and annexed. The context was what happened to annexed countries.

Stalin was not Russian. He has Georgian Jew. So what's your point?

Number one before WW@ was still the British Empire.

Agreed on the part about Europe and war. The US is never been keen on going to war. :1orglaugh

My point is that deporting own citizens is different thing than other countries citizens. Was Stalin Russian or not, he did command Soviet Union and kept base in Moscow. And about Hitler, he wasn't German by birth. So, maybe you should hold your grudge towards Austrians? At least with your logic.

So, the whole issue started from you downplaying Soviet Union's attacks towards Finland; "just relocating borders", yeah.. like that wouldn't be bad enough.. "don't worry, we just relocate your borders a little bit". :) My squirrel shows what it thinks about relocating our borders.

Lolz. Britain couldn't even feed herself in the early 1900s without help from the USA and new York became the economic capital in 1918.

And regardless of USA being "keen" on war, the absolute fact is we rose to power because euros warred each other and bought food, clothing and weapons from USA to be able to do that.

It doesn't really matter to me if you "agree" with the reality of all that.

One Hundred Indoctrinees

My grandad told me that it was all about the Soviets, he was a bomber for Britain :2 cents:

Exponentially more people were killed under Stalin. He makes Hitler look like a sympathetic person by comparison.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2011/mar/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/


Of course I'm sure they didn't teach you this in your schools because they wouldn't want the children thinking their former leaders were nothing more than psychopaths with bad mustaches and haircuts.

Do you mean Russians killed by Stalin? The Georgian Jaw has hated our nation, and it's not a secret. Now tell me how many Eastern Europeans were killed by him? Only an idiot could compare that with Hitler.

didn't stalin do the entire.. gah what was it called, re-distribution of food out of ukraine? i am pretty sure that killed a great deal of people?

That Georgian (Russian citizen by birth) seemed to have something against Ukraine's independence.

" in 1932 and 1933 that killed an estimated 2.5–7.5 million Ukrainians, with millions more counted in demographic estimates."

"Scholars disagree on the relative importance of natural factors and bad economic policies as causes of the famine but believe it was a long term plan of Joseph Stalin, an attempt to eliminate the Ukrainian independence movement"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

Not him. The him the Ukrainian guy did it.

hmm, i remember learning this had to do with attempting to modernize soviet union industries.. however i can see how the independence issue would come into play

So you are citing a link to RT, a television station financed by the government of Russia? :1orglaugh

I'm Bulgarian, my grandfather fought against the Germans along with the Red Army and made it all the way to Austria then back, alive. My country was NOT liberated by The Red Army, it was enslaved and its people were abused!

Charles Lanius, Reader's Digest foreign correspondent was in Bulgaria at the time when the Russians moved in and has an extremely detailed account of what he observed happening. His piece was titled "I saw the Russians take over Bulgaria" Reader's digest.- ISSN 0034-0375, ZDB-ID 3006840. - Vol. 47.1945, 282, p. 16-21

Google link from part 2 of his report: https://news.google.com/newspapers?n...,5077573&hl=en

Stalin, like Putin today, had moles in the Bulgarian government who staged a coup when the Red Army invaded Bulgaria. They took over the ministry, created a National Police launching mass arrests and executions of even regular citizens, some of whom were killed merely because they dressed "wealthy".

Paging CyberSEO to come and explain how this was really CIA operatives trying to make the poor Russians look bad LOL

CyberSEO obviously a Stormfront nutbag. Stalin was NOT a Jew, it's a farcical lie created by anti-semites.

As Bulgarian you should know that Russians backed up and wanted to give you greater Bulgaria ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Stefano ) created from Serbian and Romanian territories, but your new "friends" from UK and France stopped that.

way to try and spin it. that treaty was all about ruskie conquest, and it would have made bulgaria a puppet state to russia.

even the germans were against that.

Course you know it better than me :upsidedow Now tell us that Hitler's grandma was not a Jew too.

W/o Russian help there will be no Bulgarians today. Turks would slaughter them like cattle. Maybe they think their new "fiends" could give them something batter than Russians, but I don't think so. Russians saved their lives and nothing could be better.

Most european states are states with limited sovereignty, especially balkan and eastern european states . Just like Bulgaria is US puppet state in this moment it was planned to be what you mentioned above. . It doesn't matter for them,someone always will rule them and that is simpl. Borders are moving and at one point they are on one, at some other point in time they are on another side.

For example, Yugoslavia was US puppet state during Soviet era, it went so far that people were forced into some of worst torture prisons if only someone would say that you are pro russian. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goli_otok

Conclusion is that it sucks to be between big powers. Always.

I know that, and just wrote something similar to him (that russia backed them through history for whatever reason, what resulted that they survived as nation). Maybe he is young and was educated after they are "liberated" :1orglaugh

I will fix it for you:

Wrong. Most of the EU citizens the USA took over the Nazis. You can Google for the stats, but less than 1/3 of EU people know the truth. Others just used to watch all those countless Hollywood movies of the "epic" Omaha beach battle. The idiots as they are :2 cents:

Once again: the whole US of A did less than a small Serbia in that war. I mean to destroy Hitler. On the other hand, they made a lot of money selling their food and weapons to both Nazis and Soviets.

heads-up, what the fuck are you talking about? the fucking OP is from the ruskie times and it's claiming it polled fucking euros.

jtfc.