i know you rather argue yourself to death than admitting you got something wrong so feel free to yell at me, call me stupid or whatever - enjoy! :thumbsup

No need to. Our members directly talk to us via PM in the members area. We know more about our members than any tube site and their pondering over analytics.

Anyway, wasn't trying to hijack your thread or have you try to tell us how bad paysites sucked in your opinion. My reply was a simple one that had to do with the health of the industry.

Right now there are millions of "cookie cutter" car dealerships all selling the same cars. But you don't see the automobile industry doing something so goddamned dumb as to say: "Hey, I bet the customers would like it even better if we just give the cars away for free!"

Of COURSE customers like to get everything free. Try it with your content company. Give away everything for free and watch your orders for content grow a thousand times over. :)

WTF? Are you trying to rewrite history?

Content owners were never given any choice in the matter. The content is STOLEN and posted without so much as a heads up.

You think pirates were busy trying to cut deals back in those "time machine" days (about 7 years ago...for you "old timers")?

Fuck no! Most paysite owners didn't even know that it was occurring because they were too busy running their business (the way it should be).

Sometimes the stuff you say makes me shake my head. Love you man, but you really piss people off whenever you start defending fucking thieves. It's just that simple.

sorry, i can't help it, everyone has his own story to tell

i was approached when tubes were still fairly new about selling my library, back then I said no because I was worried how it would be perceived by my other clients

worst move ever - later, when many others already made good money, I sold mine as well, but for a lot less than I could have gotten in the beginning.

and i got one single complaint ever from one client who didnt buy a $35 video because she had seen it on a tube

pirates did not buy content and would never have - but big companies that run tubes have bought millions of videos absolutely legitimately - from a lot of people on this board

A "watched till the end" filter could be secondary metric. It doesn't have to be random. Once you've filtered the content to your specific fetish, you could then sort by watched till the end. It's no different than searching for a fetish and then sorting by "most popular" or "most favorited".

That's a valid argument that I think many people overlook. The music industry has been complaining about piracy for years now, but studies have shown the people stealing music wouldn't have payed for it in the first place. I downloaded a ton of music during the Napster days, but I was a broke 20 year old. The studios didn't lose any money because of my downloads, because I didn't have any money to spend in the first place.

I agree that actual member interaction is probably one of the best input you can get. However the tubes do this too. Whether it be ratings, favorits, comments, shares, views this is all very valuable data. Big data. Which you can not compare with the "little" input you get from 1 single site.

This is probably one of the biggest chances in this industry over the years and specially in regards to the tubes. Porn not being treated anymore in the old fashioned way but actual companies and marketing guys running this data analysing every bit of it and use THAT as a starting point.

Don't forget machine learning. We use the hell out of recommendation engines these days. You're not helping yourself if you're mindlessly shoving thumbnails/links in people's faces. You need to target their interest. Of course we also collect a lot of big data.

Sadly the adult industry always seems to be slow in adopting new technology.

i recently wrote an article for a magazine and compared it to Netflix and how they tailor their new exclusive content - and there is not someone sitting saying "hey, let's make a comedy, somebody have an idea?"

there could be hundred different reason why someone would leave a website after watching a video, other than you know what I mean

sure - but I seem to be the only one that saw the humor in there. must be a german thing

We have a car commercial here for a German car which says how good it is etc etc and basically ends saying that it's no joke since Germans don't know humor ;)

See - and we had Frau Antje that told us how good dutch cheese is ;)

Someone should try to market site with "Allah approved" badge. I guess it would increase retention and that population would stay loyal. We would just need to get certificate for this somewhere. I guess it could be done for money. population is huge, they are horny as we can't imagine.

Halal certified cumshots ?

And when do you think they were "fairly new"?

I saw mass stealing and pirate sites starting to get huge traffic numbers in 2007. I mean REALLY taking off.

The only reason I noticed it was because all our millions of uniques per day on our TGP's were suddenly (and I mean suddenly) GONE.
And then I watched all my money I was making as an affiliate start to drop quickly.

So I had to figure out what was happening.

But for you to think that the pirate tube sites were out buying content in 2007/2008/2009 etc. is total bullshit.

They were dead ass stealing everything and making money with traffic.

I'm not gonna start an argument with you. I like you and respect you.

But again...I will say to you...what IF someone bought ALL of your content. One purchase. And then it ALL got "user uploaded" to file locker where all the people who now buy your content wouldn't have to buy it anymore. They could just steal it and then "user upload" it to their own pirate sites?

You would be singing an entirely different tune then. And those wonderful tube sites that are buying your stuff now would no longer need to do so. They could just have it "user uploaded" and then you would know how it feels to get fucked like the rest of us have.

Perfect....network of certified niche websites. They would be thankful and probably pay more compared to uncertified content.

LOL awesome !

Just imagine that bounce rate. They would be amazed what is there in outside world so would stick on page very long. Probably until they go to suicide bomb mission.

bullshit. that's makes as much sense as when you pulled your bullshit drive-by snipe exclaiming that 95% of my 28,000 posts are attempts to argue. but when i reply and disagree (because you certainly have not kept track of dyna mo's 10s of thousands of posts over 7+ years) you then exclaim "proof".

and heads-fucking-up, you could have chosen to try to see where i am coming from about "finished" videos or you could have chosen to keep up with your fuckwaddy need to pigeonhole me and my posts. you chose, not me.

you need to knock it the fuck off with me and realize you're the one coming at me, not fucking vice-versa.

Robbie - with all due respect - Youporn for example licensed my library in 2010 - which is way after the first studios had already had licensed their content to them. If you want to say that is bullshit, i'll email you the invoice.

And all the things you wrote happened to me - but I never made a big fuss about it in public. From some tubes I had my stuff removed because I knew people and they were not interested in licensing.

and for file sharing i pay xTakeDowns.com - Copyright Protection For Your Adult Content for a while already - every month

but you know what is killing my (non-exclusive) business?

Paysites with exclusive content that nowadays happily provide 10-15 min videos for free to tubes which makes it obsolete for them to license content - which they had to do when the got only 1 or 3 min promo clips

and then there are those that use DMCA to its full extent and trust me, that doesn't make me happy either - i have lost quite a few clients over the years that gave up on this daily struggle.

i think you misunderstand me when you think i would be defending anybody, i am just stating my subjective experience from the dawning of the tubes until now

it's just truly bizarre to me how the Op can start a serious thread asking all gfyers a question yet refuses to try and see where someone is coming from in their comments, instead choosing to nitpick a word of my contributing to the topic just so he can pigeohole me as needing to argue everyone everywhere every time until i die.

heads-fucking-up, don't ask other people's opinions on shit if you can't handle those opinions.

you make no sense at all - now you are cursing at me cause i don't try to understand what you understood wrong

and I am "coming at you" while you shoot one personal insult after the other

alright then.

this is boring, I am unsuscribing from thread. Can't read so much insulting and bad words.

i'm cursing by stating fuck on gofuckyourself. jtfc.

if i don't make sense to you then do the fucking adult thing and ask me to rephrase or explain again or in another fucking way. especially when you are asking for my fucking opinion. yet you fail at the ability to do that and that's because you need to be right about pigeonholing me while still clinging to your incessant need to exclaim i misunderstood when you didn't even try to understand.

and heads-fucking-more-up, i answered your fucking question to start off with, you made it personal, not me.

that's a good point. i appreciate your ability to see what i was stating and bring it up in an adult manner of discussion. but as others have mentioned, along with the point i made, there are millions of reasons viewers stop and exit a site.

ok then....

i'll hop on out of your thread madalton, you've got your hands full arguing with Robbie and the other one(s) you're arguing with.

And with all due respect, by 2010 it was already all over. Piracy had already taken over.

YouPorn had already decided to try something different...but make no mistake, they got started by stealing. And content owners had no choice in it.

By the time they started buying content it was already all over but the crying. And they bought that content off the backs of the producers content that they had stolen previously and ruined their lives by doing so.

No need for me to try and convince you of that. All you have to do is observe the wasteland of what is left to see with your own eyes.

And I'm glad that you are able to still make some money selling to tube sites. Don't blame you one bit.
But unless something really drastic happens, this industry is truly one of diminishing returns. Some will feel it sooner than others for sure. But when the very foundation of the industry is taken away...the whole thing is on a bad course.

Sorry for even bringing this up. It's kind of redundant. It is what it is.
Good for both of us that we are still doing well while many have already fallen.

at least they can argue in a civilized manner, i am always up for that :thumbsup

your idea of civilized is to not even try to understand my point but instead to try and make me wrong so you can continue with your pigeonholing.

ask Robbie if i debate in a civilized manner.

ask cd smith if i debate in a civilized manner.

ask grapesoda if i debate in a civilized manner.

ask L-pink if i debate in a civlized manner.

ask aka123 if i debate in a civilized manner.

ask the gfyer i just debated in this very thread if i debate in a civilized manner

et al.

I buy all my content to give away for free now :) Earning this way is key now, no need for most pay site models anymore

All that matters to the locusts is volume; how much can they shove down their gullets while standing at the buffet table.