not that any of my detractors are interested, but for the others

Elon Musk Responds To Alleged "Battery Breakthroughs"

The “breakthrough” battery discussed in the PhysOrg article is of the aluminum-ion variety. Problem is the article does not list complete specs for the battery. It does state that the “battery was able to withstand more than 7,500 cycles without any loss of capacity” and that the “battery produces about half the voltage of a typical lithium battery,” but specific numbers are not present. So, this battery would fail the Musk “breakthrough” test.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk On Breakthrough Battery
If you follow the electric vehicle battery market, then you’re well aware of all the “breakthrough” battery technology out there; heck we have a whole category devoted to it to for one to peruse (“battery tech“) if you have a couple days to kill.

Truth is, most of these breakthroughs exist only on paper, to which Tesla CEO Elon Musk proclaimed during the Q3 conference call:

“My top advice really for anyone who says they’ve got some breakthrough battery technology is please send us a sample cell, okay. Don’t send us PowerPoint, okay, just send us one cell that works with all appropriate caveats, that would be great. That sorts out the nonsense and the claims that aren’t actually true.”




That basically sums up our thoughts on battery “breakthroughs” too. Until it’s a working cell, it simply doesn’t exist.



your argument is with elon musk, not me. tell him watcha saw down at home depot.

"And, as Musk points out, what is the energy and power density of the resulting battery pack?

I get very frustrated by all the BBB (big battery breakthrough) announcements we see that then seem to disappear without a trace. I’m frustrated that batteries aren’t advancing as quickly as I like (even though they’re improving in performance/cost ratio quite nicely), and I’m also frustrated with the wretched coverage we see in so many articles.

I wish more people, and not just the authors of these wide-eyed articles, understood at least somewhat all the hurdles between, “Holy crap! Look what we just did in the lab!!!” and, “I just bought a new EV with a 500-mile BazookaBattery(TM)”.

Trying to engineer a battery pack that meets all the pertinent real world requirements is a staggering task. Working in different environmental conditions, cost, scaling production, size, weight, power and energy delivery, safety, pack lifespan — it makes my head hurt.

But as I’ve said here before, I have zero doubt that we’ll see at least one BBB that makes it all the way to the showroom floor. (I consider ultracaps to be merely another form of battery, for the purposes of this discussion.) The financial reward is almost unimaginable, and there are far too many groups chasing that goal for none of them to find it."

Elon Musk Responds To Alleged "Battery Breakthroughs"

dynamo, crockett and ********** tagteamed you in this thread and tried to DP you too! lol

Gotta give 'em props for fighting back!

I enjoy all 3 of you guys on GFY. :)

:1orglaugh

right back atcha

those guys play rough, whether they realize it or not. i play rougher back. and we're off.

i do try to keep it to name calling and shock&awe "fucks", after all this is the 3rd grader's playground. it is always funny to me to see gfyers get agitated by a thoroughly fuck peppered post. i don't need to put any effort into an insult if all i have to do is throw some fucks in. :1orglaugh:pimp:pimp and it keeps my insult above the belt.

Dude you guys tag team us all the time.. he'll look at the 3 or 4 lemmings at the start who tried to tag team me.

Dyna is just acting like a tool so I guess MP is just as tired of him as I am.

The difference is you get tagteamed because you're wrong.

I get tagteamed because I'm right.

So basically it's not a threesome...it's couple sex? :1orglaugh

They should RAISE the taxes on battery powered cars to pay for the horrendous damage to the planet that results from the mining of rare earth minerals for those batteries.

This Toxic Lake of Black Sludge Is the Result of Mining to Create Our Tech Gadgets - ABC News

No you retarded fool.. Robbie's post is a perfect example.. Every si the one of these topics all you conservatards give each other hi fives and never question each other but direct your BS at those that don't drink your koolaide.

Robbie's ignore the fact that you have been trash talking me and mark for weeks now and gives you hi fives. Meanwhile I've largely ignored your rudeness and immaturity while trying to debate you. Yet for weeks you do nothing but shit post.. So I figure what the hell you act like a retard I'll start treating you like a retard and what do you know.. conservibros Robbie comes along to say we are ganging up on you..

It never fails.. You guys love to trash talk others but soon as you get it in return, it's cry time..

You certainly are a hero in your own mind, I'll give you that one..

hey, foul ball!

mark prince says that an EV truck that drives 60 miles is viable for cross country trips, & that only oil pollutes. don't shatter his boilerplate progressive propaganda with facts.

:upsidedow

'going just on this thread alone, yes. EV is not THE future, 18v = 20v, there has not been a breakthrough, coal use is at its peak.

everything you claim in this thread i've proven you wrong about.


so sure, name call, as you know i could no give 1 single fuck about name calling. but realize everyone here also knows you're wrong, that's why they all chimed in, because you're so obviously wrong. you and mp tagteam me because you think by joining forces you have a chance, that somehow combined wrongness trumps right. see what i did there. :1orglaugh

eV is the future. There is a diffrence between 18v and 20v batteries and 2015 coal useage is projected to be the lowest amount of coal burned since the 90s. Yet deny, deny, deny.. Write a bunch of BS and proclaim you are right.. As I said a hero in your own mind.

No, you haven't. You have avoided apologizing to me and everyone else on GFY you have insulted, and convinced yourself that this is your way of treating people with respect. You're not, and it's not.

Acknowledging what? That you dismiss your own personality problems, brush them aside as if they don't exist, not apologize to anyone and pretend people will forget? Sure ok I'll acknowledgte that you do that.


Even worse? No dude, you're the depressed one who snaps at anyone for anything at any time. It used to be curious, even funny for a while, but now it's just "whatever, someone pissed in Dyna's cheerios again".


I'm not trying to shame you. If you feel ashamed it is because of your own words and actions. You should feel ashamed. I though, am no one to shame you because you do not respect me. You can't be shamed by someone you don't respect.


Your olive branch was offered without any kind of apology, was long over due, was insincere, and was followed by lots of other insults. As I already told you a few times Dynamo, I don't want to be your friend. I've told you many times now to fuck off. Now is the time for you to learn that, live that.


Maybe Today, but tomorrow is another story. It's a mistake to dismiss EV's and rely on Diesel forever.

Look at it this way. If you were a big company that had to ship goods all over the country, you would be looking for ways to save fuel too.

Try not to think short term. Think long-term.


Lol! Ok tough guy.

Tired, maybe, concerned, maybe, sorry for him, definitely.


Ok, Rush Limbaugh. Or should I call you Glenn Beck?


It's all about the juice. You can say that the manufacturing footprint for EV cars is bigger than an ICE car, it's the energy that is used to move the car that is more important. Using Coal powered electricity is of course, ridiculous, but it doesn't have to be that way.


Josuha, please show me exactly where I said that. I never did.

EV Cars are here. EV trucks and EV Semi's are coming. There will always be different range capabilities of various models and some of them will do very well service a specific sector of the industry. People like Dynamo and Robbie who deny the trend of the future belong on the couch at Fox News preaching to the old and to the stupid who will listen to them, no where else.

**********, when you apologize for bringing my mother into our arguing and insulting her in ways I won't repeat here, I consider apologizing for pointing out the true person you really are. And you're the gfyer who gets huffy when I write the word fuck. The guy who is is so desperately losing an argument, he needs to insult my mom horribly. I mean really. Really you two , two wrongs don't make a right.

And I'll take your ignoring my opportunity I offered to you as your need to continue posting like a 3rd grade bully.


No fucks needed to sort you out **********, you are very simple.

That's what I'm saying...it's not gonna happen in the "foreseeable future".
I'm sure that one day they will indeed get much more efficient with all of this and figure out a way.

But in the meantime, even if everyone in the U.S. starts driving and EV...big rig trucks will still be diesel.

But I think it will be great when the day comes that they find another way. Just don't see it happening yet.

Dynamo: Ok whatever you say. Take care now.


Hi Robbie,

To be honest with you I don't see it happening anytime soon either, and I've always said we'll never get rid of oil / gas / diesel. But you have to admit that the technology is pretty exciting.

This is exactly why we think you are an idiot.. seriously, what meds did you sat taking in the last 2 months?

I see, someone offers you an opportunity to act like an adult and to you, that makes them an idiot and a target for you to hurl more personal insults about a medical condition.


And you wonder why I dumb down my posts to you.

right here in this thread shows the difference between myself and crockett/**********

when Robbie, a respected and respectful person and member of this community took the time to post that he enjoys all three of us posting, i'm the only one with the ability to acknowledge it and to reply to it in kind.

crockett takes it as an opportunity to argue more and whine.

********** waxes right past it in his attempts to medically diagnose me as depressive irl simply so he can then insult me for being depressed. btw, **********, it's my understanding that depression is a serious illness, why you need to portray someone as depressed irl just so you can insult them reveals much more about you than me. you prolly make fun of cancer patients too, easy pickings.

so you guys want to toy around with making things personal, too bad you are incapable of realizing that by my choice of dumbing down my posts to you, i've let you off the hook. you two are very lucky i don't use my better intellect to completely crawl inside both your heads and take the time to show you directly how to really make something personal.


and fyi, you wouldn't have the slightest idea what's happening.

and let's not forget, ********** is the guy who thinks an apology from a gfyer will cure his lingering resentment issues and allow him to change into a better person.

**********, an apology from me won't make you a better person. for you to claim it's OK to act like you act because someone else didn't apologize to you is simply just a child's excuse and reasoning.

i'm not in control of you **********, as much as you'd like to think that i am. people with integrity do not need apologies from strangers to force themselves to act respectable and keep shit above the belt.


i certainly do not expect better from you, you're the guy who exclaims that everyone who does not drive an EV should be punished while you drive around in, yup, a car with a gas engine. you're the guy that feigns outrage by my use of the word fuck while you insult my deceased mother with unrepeatable mean-spirited words.

Why are you crying so much? We are just treating you exactly how you treat us.. Man up and quit your whines, you are acting like a little girl.

you mean like how i offered you an opportunity to knock it off?
i don't see you treating me that way.

man up? you couldn't even acknowledge Robbie's compliment. talk about acting like a little child.

moreover, i've proven everything you claimed wrong in this thread. every fucking wild ass ridiculous claim you've hurled. so there's no reason for me or anyone to think you are right about anything, and in fact, as they have shown in this thread, no one does. the only reason ********** is trying to hi-5 you is he thinks the two of you combined can match wits with me.

but even with you two working together, it's beyond obvious you are both so far in over your head that the only desperate move either of you have is to make it personal, claim i have a medical condition just so you can then insult me about the wild ass medical condition you just fucking made up in your head.

So the question of taxing electric cars is now settled right? heh-heh

Would need the battery capacity to achieve the 500-800 mile range before any company would wanna add electric trucks to their fleet as a short range would create a backup of 48-53 foot trailers on an highway oasis ramp waiting to recharge which would block you from recharging your volt and refreshing yourself with an earth friendly beverage. :winkwink:

How fast is the recharge? Not gonna pay a guy $20-$30+ to sit there for 30-60 minutes considering there is already an 11 hour driving time regulation which could possibly be reduced in the future so don't have 30-60 minutes to waste as truck drivers are already in short supply and continuing to get worse...

Truck driver shortage gets desperate
These are the top 10 in-demand jobs of 2015 - Fortune

Initial Costs/Fuel Savings/Repair Costs analysis to replace a traditional tractor with an Electric tractor.

Canadian Volt drivers should probably foot 99.9% of it.

It's not a real electric car. :1orglaugh

I was kind of amazed that Tesla could do it. And Nissan could make the "Leaf" electric car as well.

And then the best Detroit could come up with was the Chevy Volt. I was in amazement that with all their infrastructure and history...they couldn't even make an electric car.

I would almost bet the farm that the unions have a lot to do with that. Union workers who "specialize" in the making of combustible engine cars would lose their jobs with the much simpler electric cars.
And the ones that didn't lose their jobs would have to be re-trained.

Think about it: No more need for people to build or install a transmission for instance. Or a starter motor. Or a hundred other things that are not required for an EV.

Detroit is fucked. That's why the U.S. auto industry isn't dominating the world like it should.
Don't get me wrong...it's still pretty damn dominant, which is a testament to the industry. But if they weren't shackled by unions and state govt. over regulating and taxing them...I believe that the Detroit auto industry would OWN the world again.

And that would bring new (different) jobs to Detroit with good wages. Just like it does in South Carolina, Tennessee, and other states where foreign car manufacturers have built plants free of Unions and brought good paying jobs to their areas.

guys, do you realize whenever you get in these page long debates with eachother that noone else is reading it? You're not gonna convince eachother, and everyone else doesnt read any of it. So you're pretty much wasting time. Just a tip :)

Yeah but odds are good enough that if he traded a Camaro for a hybrid that his next logical step will be to go full gay 100% electric so taxing on advanced stupidity makes sense. :thumbsup

Did ya mean that only for this thread or GFY in general? Thanks for your participation it will go unnoticed like the rest of the forum. :thumbsup

Ok tough guy.



Alright then Macho Man tough guy.


Hi Erect,

Yes I agree with you. 800 Mile range and fast recharging would be fantastic. Currently (ha!) I get about 50 miles and recharging takes 4 hours. Tesla's get about 200 miles in 20 minutes I think, and I would love to have that, which is why with any luck, I'll be buying a Tesla next year. Hopefully in the not too distance future though, batteries in all makes of cars and trucks will be at least 500 miles, with super-fast charge times.


Of course it is.

I can plug my car in at home and drive to the city and back on nothing but electricity. The motor that drives the wheels is 100% electric. When the battery is depleted, a gasoline engine kicks in that turns a generator that provides electricity to the electric motor that turns the wheels. You can also charge the battery while on gas, but that of course isn't an efficient use of energy.

You are selling GM short. It's actually a pretty amazing car. Not only is it electric, but it also solves the range anxiety problem that a lot of EV Haters use to bitch about. For typical use, it's pure EV. For long range trips, it's EV + Gas. It's great.

For someone people, cars (or motorcycles) define who they are. For me, I define who I am.

Peace.

**********, still exclaiming a chevy volt is electric.

he has too though, how else could he look down his nose at everyone?


makes sense coming from the guy who starts *look at me i scooped up a frog* threads

Dyna mo still whining..

crockofshitt still wrong.

It might Suprise you, but GM made and sold on a lease electric cars back in the 80s or 90s I forget which. The majority of the people whom leased them loved them, but at the end of the lease GM forced everyone to turn them In and then GM crushed them. Despite the previous users wanting to buy them.

Turns out big oil was in on getting GM to walk away from the electric car which could of been a success in the 80s and 90s. You should look up the documentary called "who killed the electric car"

They did LEASE them in the late 1990's. Never mass produced or sold (big oil and union made sure of that). It was called the EV1

Also electric cars were pretty big as far back as the late 1800's.

Matter of face the taxi cabs in New York City were electric over 100 years ago:
"The first taxicab company in New York City was the Samuel's Electric Carriage and Wagon Company, which began running 12 electric hansom cabs in July 1897. The company ran until 1898 with up to 62 cabs operating until it was reformed by its financiers to form the Electric Vehicle Company. The company then built the Electrobat electric car, and had up to 100 taxicabs running in total by 1899."

And now in 2015...Detroit still seems to be unable to match what was already being done in the 1890's. No wonder that town is in ruins.

it was the late 90s, when gas was a dollar a gallon at the pump, the ford expedition was king, & nobody bought them except california tree huggers. they had their chance in the market. & fizzled.

as far as a conspiracy by big oil to take it out, its plausible, but unlikely, cause there were so few of them relative to gas cars. what would an oil exec worry about? maybe GM simply did not want to support parts for such a project as it would be expensive. that would be more plausible than big-oil-made-them-do-it. LOL.

the fact you bring up propaganda crap as evidence of anything shows how much effort you make to inform yourself.

:)

crock's the same guy that correlates his perceived change in vendzilla's posting style to a change in my personality.

LOL! Wow you are one miserable guy... I hope you get some help for that soul-crushing depression you obviously have going on. Good luck to you.

Chevrolet markets it as a hybrid.

**********, do you really think an apology from me would solve your lingering resentments? do you really think an apology from a gfyer would solve the issues you have that cause you to gfy diagnosis someone with a serious disease simply so you can display your looking down you nose in pity at them?

let me know if you really think that an apology from me would make you that better person.

**********, just want to remind you of your out of the blue, drive-by comment to me on page 2 in this thread


according to your logic, i'm winning this argument. and this thread.


just sayin.:1orglaugh:1orglaugh