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I would leave thumbs up's out of all discussions with opposing views :2 cents: You think because i think youre insulted, that implies that they were supposed to be? :1orglaugh interesting logic. i figured you were insulted due to your condescending response and no further questions or comments even though it was a topic you cared enough about to post, and seemed to not share the same opinion so i expected you to discuss it more in detail lets leave it at that though. if you want to talk more about the topic at hand, ill respond |
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Anyway continue a good thread with good thoughts on all sides. |
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Thanks for the advice on how to post but to be fair i think my posting style has worked ok for the past 15 years. I think i'll stick with :thumbsup:thumbsup |
Pseudonymous now that I see your sites (or the ones you sold). They look great. Do you feel you incorporate most of the ideas and feedback you share with others? Or do you find it harder to implement them yourself?
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Every site not ran by a large company will have areas it can improve on, its time/profit. Could i make the poses/ composition/ etc better, could i offer zips, could i make multiple tours/landing pages, you name it, the list goes on, everybody could. But it just doesn't make sense to most of the time |
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I think your sites look nice but they are super soft. Given how knowledgeable you are about what sells and where there are gaps in the market why go solo? |
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More graphic girls make more, however a more graphic model who is hot and graphic is much more rare. A girl that isn't super hot can fail or do great, depending on alot of things. So there are many routes you can do, only work with more grahic girls and either have some failures and the odd one that succeeds or only work with the hot graphic girls and end up only launching a site every 1-3 years. I focus on profit, not return on investment. I can launch 5-10 solo softcore girls if i wanted, and all would return an investmetn, sure i spend more, but i make more. Point is, it makes more sense to launch 5 softcore girls in a shorter period of time than 3 more graphic girls over a longer period of time Quantity has almost always beat quality in this industry, i consider my choice of path "quantity", however given my ability as a producer and experience with marketing, i am able to maintain pretty good quality while doing so. EPC (epicpandacash), they focus on quality. Reason I didn't go into hardcore is capital. I was forced into going into this with a small budget that only gave me enough to launch a single site, since then , all of the sites were launched on the profit of the existing sites, with no further outside investments Now hardcore is an option Sadly I am late to the party |
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That's all it's about. Who cares if the site looks pretty, looks shitty or looks boring? $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Test, test, test. Whatever makes you the most coin, stop there. Rinse, repeat. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Would I rather have great content or massive amounts of traffic? |
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Some people have it, some dont. Some need to do alot more testing than others. However when you get to become large enough, alot of testing has to happen because you can no longer be in charge of everything, you need to rely on workers and you cannot justify spending that much for somebody with that type of eye in every department/area of your business. So I guess with that side, you are right. However to reach that first level of success, i dont think much testing is needed |
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How about posting some sites that you personally think should be doing 'alot' better, and I can post some. You named a few large companies who produced good content still but you didn't specify if you thought they should be doing alot better? I mean areas where they coudl optimize a few things isn't the same as being capable of doing alot better |
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Small sites can benefit most from this sort of testing. Get a simple A-B script and split test small changes to Tours. It works wonders. That's why when people make suggestions I have either tried/tested them or am willing to before making a final judgment. I am talking marketing/selling here, not content creation. An artist will know what to do onset but marketing/selling is FAR different than creating compelling content. A good salesman can sell snow to an eskimo. |
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a/b testing is a bonus. content is king. you can succeed with great content and little marketing (and still maintain a higher ceiling), while on the other hand, you are extremely limited with a poor product and more often than not, will simply fail, even with alot of marketing experience i was only disagreeing with the part that its all about testing. it is not. there has been plenty of successful sites to do well without a ton of a/b testing I can literally give you a long list to back up my opinion, of websites that are ran by large companies that fail. Is it because they dont know a/b testing? Definitely not. most sites do not fail due to a/b testing but i'd welcome to throw around some websites names and dig deeper into it, willing to listen to any reasonable argument |
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See, that's the thing about "traffic". You need a lot of it - but not TOO much of it. Otherwise you reach saturation levels, which is what has happened to many big companies (the Brazzers and MoFos of the world). These companies have the resources to blast ad buys, traffic buys, social marketing, tubes, the entire gamut of traffic possibilities. And believe me, they BLAST IT. But when people see the same content, or same type of niches, suddenly everywhere they make quick judgments. Either they LOVE IT or HATE IT and that new "big" site dies (or succeeds) quickly. Building traffic step-by-step, once the norm in Adult, is now harder and harder to do. So the smaller sites need more and the big sites have too much. LOL Sure the big boys A-B test but when you are promoting the next big thing on nearly every large adult traffic site on Earth you get your answers pretty quick. It would be interesting to hear how big a bath some big companies have taken on their next big paysite project. If they would tell, of course (they won't). |
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its not even about marketing as a whole, nevermind a/b testing specifically. and that last comment about they either love it or hate it, i hear alot of people say this type of thing, and in every case, its just because they dont realize why. Things are not a coincidence, there is a reason why people iwll not like something or why they will like it, its not a hit or miss thing.. its not luck every site that has failed, there are specific reasons for this. every site thats succeded, there is a reason. and those things are more obvious to some than others. im generally speaking, not referring to you or me this is why large companies continue to fail with websites i can give you a list of websites ran by people who didn't have long history of marketing experience and did no a/b testing, how many can you name with lousy content that is big, that launched in modern era? think its safe to say content is the most important thing now. especially given the platform that is now the current standard of promotion when people refer to content being king, its said to be king because its the most important thing, the most vital. not because its all you need. |
I remember the first time i saw porn site (back in 1998) i was looking at Veronika Zemanova for hours :-)
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As an affiliate who pushes mostly amateur stuff there isn't much I see that is great or even good content.
The last good site I remember was Money Talks, which was fantastic for its time but wouldn't do well if it was conceived and launched these days. It's been years since I've been excited about anything new. |
Great thread guys.... makes me think back to when i had this:
Succes is never a coincidence... failure neither... in my sig... |
I think Nubile Films is the gold standard at the moment. Hottest girls with a wider range of niche in that they are glamour, lesbian, ffm and hardcore.
I do not remember Brazzers ever doing well for affiliates. imo. On topic: I always thought Viv Thomas had amazing content. Ruseful(?) blew up Lesbea which is close in style and type so you would think they have the same potential. And having said this, maybe they are huge and I don't know it. Then another site that has amazing content, but soft, is "In the Crack." I know they had a run but that is a site with tons of great stuff. |
I'm starting to like The Porn Nerd.
:) Carry on..interesting read ... :) |
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imho Kelly Madison and her husband are making the best content right now at PornFidelity and TeenFidelity. The best.
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I think that is maybe where I went wrong with my original post. I didn't mean Great content as Great content is very subjective. But good content that caters to a specific niche but hasn't been properly marketed. Using a past question by Arock as an example. The femdom niche doesn't need to be filmed by the most talented photographer/videographer in the world. But the content itself needs to have the right elements to reach the niche and really sell and satisfy the customer base. |
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Content is king.
Traffic is queen. In our time serving the kingdom of Homegrownia we have seen our Queen rule, be deposed, get divorced, lose her head, bare several offspring, have affairs, and be prone to fickleness and folly as much as she has been faithful and constant. Luckily for us and the great and loyal subjects we call our fans, our King has stood strong and ruled with a very steady hand and a loving heart. I would say that we could be doing way better than we are doing but we are doing way better than many others because our ability to adapt to change has been a factor in keeping us solvent and relevant. The once and future Homegrown shall always and forevermore endure and prosper. Long Live Homegrown! Shap, we will be happy to roll out the red carpet if you ever want to discuss the affairs of State or any other diplomatic and mercantile opportunities... |
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I know this isn't your "Want Constructive Feedback?" - thread... But if you have time and will to look at my sites (see sig) i'm interested in what you have to say about them. Thanks... |
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Also the tour is kind of flat. |
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Still moving and groovin', duckin' and weaving... bumpin' and grinding... :winkwink: I think Homegrown fits the bill of the original post btw. We continue to have some of the best retention I know of in the industry. Have more authentic, exclusive amateur truly user submitted content than any site out there. A great brand that does well across all channels, on and offline, but I know we should have way more members, more traffic, more whale affiliates, etc., than we do currently. We test. We revise. We adapt and we even innovate every now and again when we get lucky. But I know we could be doing a lot better. We have outlasted many others but I know we should be way bigger than we are and it chafes at the very fiber of my soul that we are not pulling way bigger numbers than we are. I am happy to discuss it with you and everyone else in the thread or off the board if it intrigues you at all enough to carry on the conversation. |
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I want to deeper into this conversation regarding what is quality and why some are missing the easy steps that allow a company to grow in 2015, however you seem to not respond to anything regarding the topic at hand and you seem to be listening and not giving your own personal input. Ill attempt to anyway.. How many sites have been successful in the past 5 years? Grew to become large (to be more specific). I assume you think its just hard to reach that level and the ones doing it have something others dont? Are they lucky? Whats your opinion on what separates them? well lets compare ones that have fallen short vs ones that have reached success. We could compare the differences. If you think people have been doing it right, which is what you implied when you suggested my remarks as bold, then i would be interested in some lists from you so I can show you that its not exactly a bold remark |
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