As an affiliate who pushes mostly amateur stuff there isn't much I see that is great or even good content.

The last good site I remember was Money Talks, which was fantastic for its time but wouldn't do well if it was conceived and launched these days.

It's been years since I've been excited about anything new.

Great thread guys.... makes me think back to when i had this:

Succes is never a coincidence... failure neither...

in my sig...

I think Nubile Films is the gold standard at the moment. Hottest girls with a wider range of niche in that they are glamour, lesbian, ffm and hardcore.

I do not remember Brazzers ever doing well for affiliates. imo.

On topic: I always thought Viv Thomas had amazing content. Ruseful(?) blew up Lesbea which is close in style and type so you would think they have the same potential. And having said this, maybe they are huge and I don't know it.

Then another site that has amazing content, but soft, is "In the Crack." I know they had a run but that is a site with tons of great stuff.

I'm starting to like The Porn Nerd.

:)

Carry on..interesting read ...

:)

What a GREAT quote!

You've made many bold comments here indicating how nobody here is doing it right and how you know how to do it better. So logically the next question is how do we get you in the space/place where you've created that next big thing. In my opinion that's an interesting discussion. Dare I say that is an even more interesting conversation than a debate to whether metart content is great or not.

imho Kelly Madison and her husband are making the best content right now at PornFidelity and TeenFidelity. The best.

I agree. Viv and In The Crack are both great examples imo. They don't have mass appeal to a hardcore market. But they are high quality content that really caters to their market well and isn't overly marketed.

I think that is maybe where I went wrong with my original post. I didn't mean Great content as Great content is very subjective. But good content that caters to a specific niche but hasn't been properly marketed. Using a past question by Arock as an example. The femdom niche doesn't need to be filmed by the most talented photographer/videographer in the world. But the content itself needs to have the right elements to reach the niche and really sell and satisfy the customer base.

Amazing how long and how far they've taken that site/business.

He's one of the best posters on the site! :2 cents:

Content is king.
Traffic is queen.

In our time serving the kingdom of Homegrownia we have seen our Queen rule, be deposed, get divorced, lose her head, bare several offspring, have affairs, and be prone to fickleness and folly as much as she has been faithful and constant. Luckily for us and the great and loyal subjects we call our fans, our King has stood strong and ruled with a very steady hand and a loving heart.

I would say that we could be doing way better than we are doing but we are doing way better than many others because our ability to adapt to change has been a factor in keeping us solvent and relevant.

The once and future Homegrown shall always and forevermore endure and prosper.

Long Live Homegrown!

Shap, we will be happy to roll out the red carpet if you ever want to discuss the affairs of State or any other diplomatic and mercantile opportunities...

Thanks!

I know this isn't your "Want Constructive Feedback?" - thread...
But if you have time and will to look at my sites (see sig) i'm interested in what you have to say about them.

Thanks...

Wil do :)

Why so combative?

Also the girls of today of that standard know a porn career, doing softcore porn, is a weeks work, with nothing else. They're best off keeping to straight "glamour" work. Leaving the field open for those with Russian girls who won't get the chance.

Also the tour is kind of flat.

I haven't seen the train of a thread derail so slowly and surely over such a small bump of misunderstanding since the heydey of the AmateurMasters.com board era. :2 cents:

FarL!!! How are you doing?

Howdy!

Still moving and groovin', duckin' and weaving... bumpin' and grinding... :winkwink:

I think Homegrown fits the bill of the original post btw. We continue to have some of the best retention I know of in the industry. Have more authentic, exclusive amateur truly user submitted content than any site out there. A great brand that does well across all channels, on and offline, but I know we should have way more members, more traffic, more whale affiliates, etc., than we do currently. We test. We revise. We adapt and we even innovate every now and again when we get lucky.

But I know we could be doing a lot better.

We have outlasted many others but I know we should be way bigger than we are and it chafes at the very fiber of my soul that we are not pulling way bigger numbers than we are. I am happy to discuss it with you and everyone else in the thread or off the board if it intrigues you at all enough to carry on the conversation.

brazzers ????????

Actually logically the next question would be, how do you propose people do it better, why do you think this site has failed, why is this one a success, finding out what makes me have such a strong opinion on something that you disagree with to see the other side. Only asking when you can make room for the next big thing sounds condescending. perhaps ill use your method in further conversations on here and show you the results ;)

I want to deeper into this conversation regarding what is quality and why some are missing the easy steps that allow a company to grow in 2015, however you seem to not respond to anything regarding the topic at hand and you seem to be listening and not giving your own personal input.

Ill attempt to anyway..

How many sites have been successful in the past 5 years? Grew to become large (to be more specific). I assume you think its just hard to reach that level and the ones doing it have something others dont? Are they lucky? Whats your opinion on what separates them? well lets compare ones that have fallen short vs ones that have reached success. We could compare the differences.

If you think people have been doing it right, which is what you implied when you suggested my remarks as bold, then i would be interested in some lists from you so I can show you that its not exactly a bold remark

oh tell me who else you know :thumbsup

^ what do you gather by that comment shap? combative or genuine? only logical response when somebody talks about who they know is to ask who else right?

You are one angry little fellow aren't you? Jesus are you pissed you missed the money train? Clearly you feel you know better than others and the reality is you haven't made near what those others have made. I take it you are jealous and upset by that.

Honestly last night i started that discussion with you with the idea of let's see if we can come up with a plan to help you execute and smash it. Today I'm left thinking Fuck this guy! Your negativity isn't worth dealing with. Good luck.

I imagine I fit the bill of a guy who didn't know what he was doing and didn't deserve to get rich from it. Right?

:1orglaugh

So to summarize, from thinking a couple of your responses sounded condescending, a thumbs up after a disagreement is typically done in a condescending manner. (also happen to be where you stopped discussing the orignal topic with me) You take that as im jealous of everything you've achieved? Could it simply be, it seemed by your post that i was arrogant from the start and did not want to post further with me?

Where do you see anger? Ive tried to steer the direction back to the topic at hand countless times but you avoided it. All I have stated was that I think your responses weren't genuine and writeoffish, I truly dont care and have tried to get back to the topic at hand but its clear from page 1, that you did not want to talk business anymore.

lol im not sure where you get that from, you created a great product for its time (best in its market), have i said any company that has achieved success didn't warrant it? honestly show me a post where you think im implying that or something that suggests i'd have that idea. but i suggest you'll ignore it like all the questions i ask you

met-art, brazzers, 21sextury, digitaldesire, all those companies are great. or they wouldn't have achieved success where they did. i actually stood up for why they aren't optimizing things.

I took some time today to read your posts (not only in this thread) and it became very clear what type of person you are. If you spent the time and effort you waste on gfy on building your empire you'd be closer to where you think you deserve to be. It's a shame because I think you may actually have some talent but instead you waste your energy here trying to talk like an authority on the biz.

In general I think everyone deserves to be treated with respect until they prove otherwise. You on the other hand feel it necessary to speak down to and about people and you seem to think you are an industry authority. You clearly have a small dick small bank account complex. I can see someone having made big bucks talking like an authority. But in your position to talk down about and to people is just comical. Focus on your own shortcomings instead of those of other people. Treat people with a little more respect. Try to be a little more positive and your business and your life will benefit.

Now you're just showing off. That's old school right there. LOL

Summed up perfectly. Once again Far-L you have crystallized my thoughts. :thumbsup:thumbsup

? On your mobile phone does it show registration date and post count? I rarely post on GFY. Ive only posted this much maybe one other time since 2006.

I speak bluntly about my opinion, all my posts are my opinion, and after all my posts, i welcome the opposing view. I do not need to post IMO after every post to indicate its my opinion. In almost all my posts, i specifically asked for evidence to support the opposing view did i not? I actually look forward to seeing the other side and to be shown that im wrong, nobody wants to have incorrect information or an opinion that is completely off.

I suggest people learn how to take peoples opinions with a grain of salt and take the information and anything else you seek from it and discard the rest, the only reason to be offended by an opinion is if you are insecure about yourself or your business. If they are not personally attacking you, try to understand their opinion and if you disagree, leave it at that.

If you think somebody is wrong, why must somebody politely walk on eggshells? I believe this is an adult forum and you can come out and say, i think you are wrong and this is why i believe so

Are you not used to people saying this? I believe thats more likely

And I have not personally attacked one person on this forum.

Also when you suggest a person's opinion is incorrect, it doesn't imply you think you are superior to them and it doesn't mean you are talking down to them. It means you think that opinion is incorrect. Every single person knows something you don't know. In these instances where I pick and choose where i post, i feel strongly about my opinion in this one case and am willing to give data to back up my opinion and accept evidence that disproves it

I have a question for you Shap.

A lot of the mainstream programs that were big (and still are) from until 2010 have launched their own gay programs in the last five years or so. Brazzers, bangbros, nastyd, biggy, all launched brand new gay programs/sites in the past few years.

If you didnt sell to manwin in 2011 did you see yourself launching a gay paysite or program back then? If not, would you launch it in todays market? The reason I ask is because you had the biggest gay tube site when you sold...

Thanks.

lol, Old school? I think you mean Temple of the Ancients... :thumbsup

Hopefully crystallized like the hit of LSD-25 Doc Ellis pitched the no-hitter on... :winkwink:

Haha! YES! I actually have one of those old Pirate hats, the yellow ones with the black rings around them. :D

This is a question all production, marketing and sales people face. Why by this, when that's available?

When it comes to online porn the question is why buy this girl, when there are 100s of others. This is 1% of the selection.

http://pattayaplaza.com/wp-content/u...-fishbowl1.jpg

And then when you find that magic ingredient that separated one for the 100s of others. The 100s of others copy it. If it's not to unique.

That's the problem with a lot of online businesses, so for most it ends up with arriving on the right page at the right time and the surfer feeling good about the right image.

Or.

Throwing shit at the wall. :1orglaugh

I am surprised that our surfers side hasn't found more hidden gems then this.

Being as I get to see quite a few sites, I have often been frustrated that a certain site with fantastic content seems to do very poorly with our readers. For one reason or another.

A few great sites right off the top of my head are:

Brand New Amateurs | You may know this girl!
Simonscans (at least until several problems made it difficult for Simon to continue at usual pace)
CandyGirl Video Homepage (kind of like Inthecrack when they started out)
Gloryhole Swallow
Amateur Women Videos | Natural breasts | Amateur Naked Women Pictures | Amateur Nude women | Amateur Boobs: Homepage - Justnips.com (Great models and content - would tweak it a bit and make it more explicit though)
http://nip-activity.com/
http://www.brokeamateurs.com/

I don't know of any great content sites that aren't successful, I know how much it costs to shoot high quality content, so the question for myself, the information I need is how much those sites are netting after expenses.

Good list. You have some pretty decent sites on your review list as well.:thumbsup

To be honest I don't know who's had what levels of success the past 4 years. I've been out and really not in the loop on what's worked and what hasn't. So to comment on anything in the past 4 years would be silly for me.

It's a lot of hard work to reach any level of success. My point as I mentioned earlier is that for many of the most talented content producers their skill is in producing amazing content. Looking back on the history of pay sites those that did best were usually successful because of very aggressive marketing and not so much on their content. Twistys never had the best content but we damn sure were one of the market leaders in our niche. So my point to the thread was which businesses out there producing good content but aren't quite at the level they should be. Digital Desire has been mentioned a few times. It's a good example because from affiliate perspective it's the type of content affiliates would like to push hard but it just doesn't yield results. So I believe those that reach levels of success usually reach it because of smart and dedicated marketing push. Not just on content. I'm looking to find companies that don't have time for marketing and rely on the strength of their content to market for them.

I believe you said there is no great content in the industry besides blacked.com. I think that is a bold statement. Ruseful may not be "great" content to you but in terms of satisfying what customers want it is a direct hit.

I probably didn't clearly express what I was looking for in the first post. But it wasn't to discuss sites that smash it, Bang Bros, RK, Braz etc. It was to discuss the lesser pushed but strong content. Those are the guys that imo need help not only to grow but to survive moving forward. So I'm looking for a list of companies like that.

This is exactly what I am referring to. Sites that do a good job and delivering the content their niche is looking for but are grossly under promoted.

You might have one person with an advertising budget of 100k+ per month. Think about a handful of large campaigns out of that promoting something that doesn't convert and you can start to get an idea of how much is going down the toilet.