Ive been gone for a while, but one thing will never change huh GET TRAFFIC....You GET SALES

Ah ok, user submitted mostly. Well even MORE kudos to you then because that means your eye for choosing REAL "amateur" content is stellar. :)

Funny, when I was filming my own (totally shitty, poorly lit and shaky cam) scenes I was killing it. LOL I would do it again but I just don't want my five inches of fun on the Internet anymore. :D


EXCELLENT point! (And I have OnlyTease.com in my Members Area so I'm an affiliate of theirs.) This is what I mean when I say "tell a good story and the content almost doesn't matter." If the content is presented in a way that communicates what the surfer expects (and is hoping for) then you have a much better chance of selling to that person. So names/branding is perhaps THE most important aspect of story telling. It's where everything flows from.

Give me a good domain name and a coherant storyline and I feel I can sell anything.

It always starts with traffic. No doubt about that. But I'll tell you what it was a lot easier to get traffic to Twistys when we converted at 1:750 vs 1:2000. That is where it gets tricky. More traffic = more sales but without decent converting content and tools in place getting more traffic is increasingly harder and more expensive to acquire.

Ya for real... a nice splash entry page will fool any surfer to signup...but then they signup and theres like 200 pics and 50 vids oops haha shit long as I get the sign up im cool.....but paysites never was my thing, I hate to deal with chargebacks and updating content...ill leave paysites up to the big tycoons.....that's time I could be using to promote my other sites

For the people who like to say 'traffic is all that matters'..... Everything you do IS traffic. It's a misnomer to suggest something done is not about getting traffic. A great domain/brand gets you traffic. Quality affiliates get you traffic. Niche leading content gets you traffic. Buying traffic gets you traffic. For fucks-sake, I can't think of much I do in a day that doesn't in some way tie into acquiring more traffic B2C or more traffic and connections B2B.

Yes you will always earn more with good traffic and bad content than with no traffic and the best content... but the best content will on its own almost bring in additional traffic, and the best branding will as well. Take a look at Ruseful and it is obvious that the content is what drove much of the tube traffic to his sites. How much traffic did he get by creating niche leading content? If you ask him he will tell you 'almost all of it.' Meanwhile another client of mine with a huge site and massive traffic is about to rebrand itself as perhaps the best 4 letter domain in the history of adult. Why would they do that if they already have massive traffic? Because doing it will lead to them getting even more traffic.

Saying just focus on traffic is a platitude, but 'focus on traffic' really means focus on branding, content, relationships, networking, media buying, domaining, PR, SEO, Social, Mobile, VR, Emailing, and all the rest... because at the end of the day that all leads to more traffic.

you getting those ratios from "cheap free loading gallery surfers" who don't want to spend a dime? or you pushin than junk traffic to prime link spots with good quality return traffic?

To be honest I got those ratios straight out of thin air :1orglaugh was just using them to illustrate a point.

Not hard really. If there is a camera person getting excellent angles all the time then it probably is not homemade. We can also tell straight off by the initial inquiry - "I am a producer that shoots amateur content" tends to be a dead giveaway... :winkwink:

Whereas... "We are a couple that loves sex and wants to sell our home videos" usually, not always, but more often than not, tends to be the real deal.

You of course could see for yourself how your authentic homemade stuff did so I know you know the difference. Five inches of fun can still outperform even the monster cock stuff when it comes to true amateur.:thumbsup

Yeah true but it's much easier to just say 'traffic'. :)

Please don't inspire me to pick up a camera again! LOL My girlfriend would not be happy, and she doesn't want to be on camera. :)

Quote of the day :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

:thumbsup

I suppose all our sites have some really great content, we're always having 5 star & high votes for our vids on clips sites & tubes :2 cents:

So correcting your statement regarding JAVHD and suggesting they hire better people to do their SEO, writing and translating services to improve their sales is "psycho"? Meanwhile you remove your signature for enginefood in the above post which I guess confirms to the board who is doing such a sub-par job for JAVHD.

You are never helpful Stewart, only self-serving.

What's wrong with "Only not knowing if that's all that will happen"?

I don't know any sites with awesome content that are not successful.
The thing is - it's very expensive to produce HQ content, so if the site doesn't do well, i guess the owners just stop with updates and those sites are die, as they have negative ROI.

I am running sites over 12 years and i have an eye for a great content, unfortunately, the production of it will be too expensive.
Let's take as example out best converting site.
The Official Site of Mistress Ella Kross
This site had 5 exclusive updates per week and converts around 1:200 for over a year. (this is great ratio, i have sites that converts 1:2000 so i am impressed with it)
If i will analyze the content, i can say it's far away from the awesome quality, but i can't see how to make a good ROI if the content will be much better.
As my English is really suck, i will try to give an example with numbers:
I pay 150$ a day for location in my country (location that looks shity i must say) , if i want super HQ location the cost per day will be 500$ and up. (location only)
And there is many other things that will improve the content quality by by tons (better camera, lighting, assistant, and list go on) ...BUT
If my expensive will be that high for a super quality niche site, i am not sure i will earn something :)
Sure, i will have more sells, but not by MUCH more....

This why it's very difficult to find niche sites with an awesome content quality like black.com
To make it, the budget should be HUGE...Much bigger than many would to risk in 2015

I still believe it's possible to open a site with super HQ content and make money, but i don't have the balls, to spend over 200 000$ on it and fail :)
I better spend this money on niche sites, with an average content.

Hello, not sure who you are.... or if we know each other. I don't recall seeing JuicyBunnyCash before...
Hopefully you will find this helpful:

My statement regarding JAVHD was that they have niche-leading content... I did not suggest they hire anyone. My signature should appear in every post, that happens automatically on GFY to the best of my knowledge. There are dozens of companies that do find me quite helpful, and I also definitely agree I am self-serving, so is everyone else in business - but claiming I am "only self-serving" is as misguided a term as the name "only tease" from my point of view.

Have a wonderful evening! :winkwink:

Only not knowing would be fine... only tease is a name that suggests you do know, and the mystery is weakened by knowing. :2 cents:

If

Tease=not knowing if that's all that will happen

then

OnlyTease=only not knowing if that's all that will happen=the mystery remains...

but nevermind... i was just playing with words... i'm behind the computer editing all day, bored as fuck... i think i'm just trolling today... while people think i'm serious... :error

One of the things I like about OnlyTease is the mystery of how far the model will go, the question is are there many surfers who have turned away because they assumed there was no more than tease, or have most relevant people managed to find out the reality about the site

StripTease.com and SexyTease.com cover all eventualities

Interesting angle Relentless - and by the way I don't do psycho so don't worry - I like good constructive critiscm :)

One of the reasons we choose OnlyTease is becuase we do do exactly what it says. 80% of the content is topless, 10% lingerie and 10% figure nude (approx guesses) and we never want to mislead the surfer to thinking that these stunning girls in the tour will be showing the surfer what they had for dinner by spreading legs etc - that is not what we are about - but we did want to do teasing sets - so it starts off with the girl full clothed and the hope is the user is wanting to know if the model is wearing stockings or tights, its the tease of not knowing initially. The other ethos of the site is they never do a set with bare legs, its either stockings tights or socks!

We are lucky enough to use many models that don't do any other web work (or at least never used to - these days not many models can earn a living unless they do web!) and so got some amazing models on board.

And if we get complaints from users its usually either one of two complaints - not enough skin on show (they want to see ruder stuff and never really understood the tour!) or there is too much skin on show and don't even want to see topless. The second one is the one we get more (and thankfully neither are that often).

So your idea is an interesting one!

If you (or any other GFYers with good constructive critiscm) want a free login to the members area so I can get your feedback and thoughts drop me an email on paul @ onlytease.com

Cheers Paul

Hi Shap,

Good to hear from you. I will drop you an email now with a login to the members area.

And yes we need to get to meet up soon - I should be in London soon will let you know :)

And all feedback welcome :)

Cheers Paul.

Wish I had a bigger audience. Everything we post is pretty much unique or a spinoff of something else, but it's hard as anything to get a mainstream audience without an advertising budget.

Email sent :thumbsup

Looks like a very interesting thread. I am going read this later on and hopefully share some ideas.

:thumbsup

Paul,

It's hard to fault your member area, you've clearly put a lot of thought into every detail, adding the Behind The Scenes was a stroke of genius!

IMHO Playboy could do with around 30% to 50% of each photoshoot being OnlyTease style, instead of ripping all the clothes off to full nudity so quickly.

I think Northwest Beauties could make a lot more money with their content, the guy who runs it says the same. This year they've converted for me at 1 in 135. They could do with someone making some affiliate-friendly tools and content, also a redesign/organization of their website.

The owner used to be a bit demanding with affiliates. Wanted MPL to get top billing over competitors like Met, Femjoy and other "better sellers". Which is all fine and dandy if you do something special for your affs. Have a nice life. Let some other aff have my sales.

I've heard stories like that about some other owners as well. If that's true he's small minded and a douche bag. You can't play like that. You have to be bigger and better and let your product sell. You can't bully or force people to selling it.

Agreed! PornFidelity and TeenFidelity are excellent.

Agreed :thumbsup

Is this thread still alive?

Honestly, X-Art and Femjoy are dropping the ball HARD in regards to girl on girl strapon action.

Very interesting Topic as I am new to these boards. I do own an AVN / XBIZ award winning site...www dot Trans500 dot com
I would like to think I have amazing TS content, the deals I am doing with Big Players tell me that, we have and been getting offered cable deals and the biggest factor in my mind is my conversions ratio which is 1:245 this year and the last two months 1:216, so I am happy.
Still our biggest challenge is quality Traffic and getting more affiliates on board toour cash program www dot Transdollars dot com. I as an owner and my affiliate manager, Tim @ Trans500 dot com personally reach out and try to build relationships and give them the tools to succeed . Been a little over two years since site has gone live and its a Daily Grind but hope to be The name in the TS Game.
Our Sept 10th release of www dot KaitlynGender dot come hopefully is the start of that !!

This thread is still alive :)

Who is killing it on the girl on girl strapon niche?

I saw your trailer. PHENOMENAL! I think you will set a new standard in the trans niche with that movie.

Now that's what I call 'artistic' - especially when it's white dykes and a black strapon so I can call it 'interracial lesbian strapon porn'. Would help if one (or both) were squirters, too.

I want to get into the TS thing, too but where to put it? On my gay network or straight network? LOL Both? :D

come join Transdollars.com and let our content work with your Traffic, great conversions
[email protected]

Thanks for the Kind words..Thursday is a Big Day for us !!!

Hey Shap!

Figured our name was mentioned enough to throw :2 cents: into this...

What sets Blacked.com & Tushy.com apart are the standards we set in every stage of delivering the final product to our fans and customers. We cover all of the bases and the Team has been critical. The one man show in this market is at a huge disadvantage due to high consumer demand for real & interactive products which by now clearly require inputs of scale.

Looks like a lot of guys cap themselves with ridiculous self imposed limits. Good advice is to sit tight, practice something useful, practice not being an asshat to other people, apply these skills with patience and then real opportunities will start to emerge. There's no single way of creating markets that didn't previously exist, so the master splinter personalities on here should check it because faster and smarter people will beat them to the money just by going new or different directions.

Keep an eye on Tushy.com this Wednesday 10:30AM Pacific...we're gonna be hitting everyone with something big!

:pimp

P.S. we're not looking for affiliates right now and Jul P2 paxum transfers will go out sometime this week for anyone wondering, so don't try to ask about it here! (Also not answering any q's related to the video contest here, hit up your rep.)

Any site with girl on girl content is appropriate. And it is a work of art to see two women going at it with a strap on, but only when they know what the hell they are doing.

If it's just noobs guiding the damn thing in and out with their hands and awkwardly fumbling around with it? Save it for an amateur site. I'd rather watch t-girls.

I know I am coming late to this thread, but our sites at GlamourBuckz do exceptionally well at conversions but are underpromoted and undersold at the mo. But this is something I am working on!

Nice stuff Luke where in Uk are you guys? We should meet up and talk :thumbsup

The content guys are in the UK but I am not. Too bad, would have been kewl to meet!

You guys are doing great stuff Steve. :2 cents:

I haven't checked out Tushy yet (but I will) but you are doing excellent work with Blacked. I like the light modern style and it's shot very well. :thumbsup

This is what porn should look like to my personal tastes. :pimp

Shap will you be in Amsterdam for WMA?

Don't think so. Haven't thought of going don't really have any reason to go :upsidedow

I'm in London if you go to the show and should be at Oktoberfest.

Ahh missing London this year and I don't drink that much beer. LOL I guess being married etc the coffeeshops hold no allure for you. :)

Have fun at Oktoberfest!! Supposed to be a wild scene.

(And meeting the infamous Porn Nerd in person should be reason enough to fly an hour to AMS. Haha!!)

How was the show for you? Oktoberfest was great but hard on my body lol

Dorcel Vision I think could stand to benefit from a more focused marketing effort. Especially in the US where I think there's a lot of room for growth in terms brand recognition. While the whole condom thing could be an issue, Wicked also shoots with condoms and are apparently still doing well enough to be able to afford Axel Braun.

Dorcel Vision - Films pornos / x en vod / streaming ou téléchargement - Marc Dorcel

There's also a lot to like about what Angela White is doing with her site.

About | Official Website of Busty Australian Porn Star Angela White

awesome trailer

AW005 ANGELA 2 DVD | Official Website of Busty Australian Porn Star Angela White

http://angelawhite.com/assets/pages/about-landscape.jpg

They are fantastic! I agree. Going to contact them :thumbsup:thumbsup

That's all about our program Creative 3D Cash :1orglaugh

Actually, our sites sell like crazy, but we're constantly looking for new affiliates! :helpme