not quite.

not when he's renogiating billion dollar business arrangements with 100s of banks in bankruptcy. he's hardly "chief" in those deals.

besides, executive order = word of god

You are over looking an imporant diffrence. In business everyone at the table is there to make money. Everyone has the same modivator as they wouldn't be at the table to loose money, it's only a negotiation about how much money each party will get.


With polititics there is no universal goal. With politics it's not a everyone wins situation. In today's political climate, if the president is seen to get what he wants then the other side is seen as the looser. If the other side gets what he wants then the president is seen as the looser.

There is no win, win in politics, it's win or loose..no one cares what is benifical for the country or the people.. It's only what is good for the party or the party's biggest donors.. Just because Trump has his own money doesn't change that, as all those guys wearing the same team jersey have to satisfy their money men..

i strongly know that you are underestimating the intense nature of bankrptucy at that level. and it's not win or loose in politics, it's about compromise. it always has been, thats why it's currently stalled, because congress can't compromise- on anything.

same as it is in compromising new deal terms in bankruptcy. you think bankers win when the agree to lose $100 million dollars? that's not a win, that's a compromise.

Interesting for betting...

That's funny cause I am listening to local radio as I am reading this and the topic of discussion is the ridiculous things Trump has said... and this station tends to lean to the right.

I was focusing more on the business side of thing in my above commit. I've never done a bankruptcy so I wouldn't know how that worked, but I'd bet that's something Trump's lawyers would be deal with, vs himself. Sure he'd have to ok the deal, but I'd suspect he's nowhere near as involved with that kinda thing vs making an actual big business deal.

I had a partnership in a business where my 2 partners had a lot of experience and i had little. When planning, they'd be quick to let me know "you're not really in the xxxxxx industry so you...". Finally, one day I lost my shit and said "look dipshits, i've got a ton more experience than either of you.. why? I've actually ran successful companies. I've actually had 100s of employees. What you fail to understand is that leadership is leadership, management is management, sales is sales, organization is organization, planning is planning, execution is execution, hiring is hiring, accounting is accounting... " and so on.

Politicians make shitty decisions all day long with other peoples lives and money and rarely suffer the consequences for those decisions. A business person has to pay the consequences for every single decision he makes. I'd certainly say the guy managing 100s of businesses and 1000s of people and actually growing and building wealth and staying in the black is infinitely more qualified to manage than a group of people that only know how to lose other peoples money, and then take more from them,.. so they can then lose that as well.

Every right-leaning media outlet has been vilifying Trump since he first entered the race. No surprise there at all.

plus neck and neck is much better than lagging by 6 points :2 cents:

Exactly. The bureaucrats are doing deficit spending. Something that no other entity CAN do. They simply print more money. Total bullshit.

Also they themselves are never affected by the experiments they perform on the economy and society in general. They will forever be behind a wall of protection that makes them immune to the economic woes (unless they get booted out of office).

Health care for a bureaucrat? No problem!
Job security? No problem for the millions of them that work for the govt. and are not elected.
Pay cuts? NEVER.
Pay raises? Hell yes.
Does the money ever run out? Nope.
Does the budget ever actually go down. Nope.

That is what is wrong with this country. The people making the decisions have no accountability other than the voter taking them out.
And the voters (like crockett) have been conditioned to "team sports" politics and just keep voting for their "team" over and over and over.

That is why Trump is a breath of fresh air to the whole process. He's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. The only guy with the money to NOT accept campaign contributions and NOT be beholden to anybody.

I think the margin of error is 4 points. So yeah, it's pretty damn close. And getting closer every day.

If this continues he will be leading by next month.

I wish, man. But there is 47 percenters class which is only growing...

Yes, but keep in mind Sanders is also eating into Hillary's lead. The simple fact is Hillary is not a good candidate.

Look at Sanders for example.. He is out there in the trenches and talking to the people. trump and Hillary are talking at the people.

Sanders is pulling thousands of people everytime he speaks.. No other candidate, not even Trump is doing that. Sanders knows how to interact with people as a normal person and is showing himself to be a good candidate. People are reacting to him very positively.

With both Trump and Hillary, none of their press is really about real issues, it's all about drama.. Eventually the drama will wear thin and people will want to hear about the issues..

tons of media coverage on hillary's plan for solar, for her meeting with #blacklivesmatter, and several other free passes the media gives her.

she is a media darling crockett. although that is starting to unravel, and guess who's doing the unraveling, Hillary. she lost control in that email press conference yesterday, the shrug heard around the world. finally, we will be seeing the media convene on her and grill her on the issues and we will watch the explosion. then she'll come up with some excuse to exit the race.

They are growing because of what govt. is doing to them.

I think a guy like Trump appeals to many of them too. I guess it would be a case of how many of those "47 percenters" really want to be part of that group and how many want to move UP in the world and stop getting handouts?

My guess is the majority of them would like to have a "hand up and not a hand out" as I've heard said before.

The bottom line is going to be...will people finally say enough is enough of what the bureaucrats have done and be willing to try something new in the modern era?

That would ~gasp~ be rather progressive don't you think?

making a nazi comparison is a telltale sign you're losing the argument.



Reductio ad Hitlerum

Nope, he never said anything like what Nazi's said about Jews.

You are really grasping at straws now.

And by the way...I heard on CBS radio news today that a respected constitutional lawyer has come out and said Trump is correct about that issue.

He said that automatic citizenship would only apply it the parents are under the "Jurisdiction of the United States"...which illegal immigrants are not.

To me it's not even an issue about citizenship.

To me it goes like this: The parents are illegal. They need to be deported. Their child is a minor and can't live on his own. He leaves with the parents. He has U.S. citizenship and when he turns 18 he can return if he chooses.

Just like if I had a kid and moved to Mexico afterwards. My kid is a U.S. citizen. But my kid can't run away from home and go to the U.S. as a minor.

This is just common sense.

Completely different situations. I did not look into both but I will do a guess which is probably correct:

Jews had German citizenship. So claiming otherwise was of course not logical.

Trump is probably talking about the kids born to NON citizens.

Am I correct?

If so - completely different things and another failed libtard attempt to twist things...

Ps: and that even IF he said something like that, because, as we know, leftards likes to twist things, it is mostly what they do in discussions like that.

I wonder if this will cause some republicans to start to change their view. Many of the republican rank and file have not liked Trump and bashed him likely because they were afraid he might win the nomination and then get crushed in the general election. Now that is seems he could might be able to hold his own in a general election I wonder if they will start changing their tune.

Wow, so a middle class American is now trailer-trash because he votes Republican. What is he if he votes Democrat?


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Actually as of the start of the year due to the improving economy the 47% is actually the 40%. But nice try!

Good news for Romney: The 47 percent are now down to 40 percent - The Washington Post

Republicans are idiots because they will only ever vote Republican.

Pay attention.

Trump was at a town hall meeting tonight and was making fun of Bush's small crowd, and bragged about how there were exactly 2,579 in the hall.

The fire marshall, whose business it is to know the exact number of people put it around 800.

:1orglaugh

and you know what? Those 800 rabid conservatives aren't going to translate into votes anyway. They just like to go get angry at town hall meetings, and see a yellow haired, pumpkin face piece of shit speak their language. The language of knuckle-dragging assholes. Love it.

You nailed it exactly bronco67! Great thoughtful analysis on your part. :)

It's awesome to see such intelligent discussion of issues!
Thank goodness that you are right on the money. The bureaucrats have done such a great job the last 70 or so years with running the country. :)

Trump surely didn't say that.

What he said was "some people born in the United States should be stripped of their citizenship even though there were born here". Which is exactly what the Nazi party did.

You better hope you don't have any Hispanic DNA in you Robbie, because Trump might take your citizenship and take it away from you.

I just googled that quote and....Nada..nothing..zilch.

But wtg making up quotes so you can commit logical fallacies.

Trump is a real candidate, and a danger to Hillary, who has no real Dem opponents now. If Gore enters, that may be interesting, but Biden will get crushed.

Hillary's had nothing but bad press from the media looking to make it a horse race. The public will grow tired of this in, I predict, 2-3 months. Bump your threads - nothing new has happened.

Bush will not win the general election. Trump might, but his candidacy is completely unprecedented and the establishment hates him. They usually win.

If they are in the US of course they are.

Back up, back up. Your question was if illegals are under our jurisdiction. Meaning our legal authority in our geographic area. Yes, they must obey our laws. But they also broke our laws by just being in our geographical area illegally. One of the laws they must adhere to is being here legally.

The rights of a kid, if any, being dropped here wasn't part of your question or my answer.


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He thinks foreigners don't have to obey speed limits while in the usa. He must think Jurisdiction = law.

I wonder how many of us would be deported under Trump and his new laws. Think you are safe? Think again. How many of us have parents who came to the US in the late 1940s or early 1950s after WWII, and either came here illegally or have never told us the truth about their past history?

I was thirty when I discovered my family's big secret. Imagine waking up one day and discovering you have an older brother AND and older sister.

I do not disagree with any of that.






It was part of my question...read my response to Robbie earlier in the thread.

Either illegal aliens are under the jurisdiction of the United States (which means they must obey US laws, and which also means their anchor babies are US citizens). Or they are not under the jurisdiction of the United States (which means they have not violated immigration laws.). Can't have it both ways.

A child born to US residents in a foreign country is a US citizen. The reverse should also be true. Any child born to non US residents should be a resident of the country his parents are legally residents of.