A Muslim will only eat Halal meats that is his religious law.
An Orthodox Jew will only eat Kosher slaughtered meats that is his religious law.

There is no reason why they could not have been served vegetarian food -- beans, rice, vegtables, fruit.

I find it hard to think this was not intentional on the Macedonians part. Either they were callous or in contempt of the refugees. In that part of the world the Muslim religion is well known (and hated since the Ottoman Invasions -- these people come unarmed and just ask safe passage). You would think the Macedonians would be more than happy to get the refugees out of their country with the least amount of resistance ... The Serbs can foresee a problem at the Hungarian border. Why doesn't Bosnia and Herzegovina offer sanctuary to their fellow Muslims?

This is really fucked-up ...

You deny responsibility for a retaliation that has killed how many hundred thousands? Destroyed the US economy and villainized the USA (more) in world opinion.

Sorry, this is not why I fought in the streets during the Vietnam War Protests. I had hoped we Americans had learned something. Go build your wall and live your lie ... Click.

They refused it as soon as they saw crosses...could have been vegetarian or even full of blankets. they didn't even check

ANd that is precisely how they will act and live once they get in Europe. They will live by their own rules (religious bullshit , to be more precise), form communities, and remain closed to development....until they start cutting heads off. Their ultimate goal is to reproduce like animals and that's it.

When I go to muslim country, I am trying to act regarding their rules. I can remember once, I've almost got into the fight with some pushy guy in Tunisia. I've just ignored him for a while but they considered that insult and he started provoking me, insulting my girlfriend (that also accepted their idiotic rules and dressed like they expect there).

what are you going on about? are you not aware of the Obama administration's handling of Syria? you do realize he had USA stay out of it all up until he helped finance the revolutionists right? so what retaliation are you talking about? afghanistan? how many of those refugees are displaced afghaniis? you do know the war in afghanistan was officially ended last year right? so let's not pretend that after 12 years and an end to war, all the sudden all these afghans decided they're war refugees. or are you referring to the African refugees in that mix? what retaliation in Africa did the USA do that all the sudden created war refugees we should be accountable for?

and what's this about what destroying the USA economy? and in another thread, you were claiming the world view of the USA has gotten better under BO, but in this thread we're villians.

and what's this about "go build your wall and live your lie"? what the fuck are you talking about my wall and my lie?

If you are in desperate need of food/shelter, then you will take anything what comes in your way regardless of your religion etc., but in case they aren't then they aren't war refugees, just economic refugees, which is a whole different story..

Also the problem with these (war or economic) refugees is that they demand things. They already rioted in Hungarian and Czech refugee camps where they received every basic need. And if somebody is behaving that way while still in transit, you can only imagine what will he (or his descendants) do when settled somewhere..

Precisely...local news from today:

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

I love Barrys wording of this:

he tries to word twist and make it sound like he actually "fought" in the war. :1orglaugh Just another arm chair idiot. He is was off the rocker.

I don't watch most of these YouTube videos pasted at GFY as they are not considered reliable news -- usually biased from one viewpoint. Youtube is the lowest common denominator a lot of the time -- I scrutinize it as i would any unauthoritative source. That said, I do not doubt its authenticity.

However, no attempt was made that I could see or hear to try to explain what was in the box. Both the police and the refugees acted foolishly. What stopped one box from being opened and shown to the crowd?

I am not apologizing for or condemning any side's behavior. But both side's behavior was hardly secular ... or realistic considering the circumstances. Speaking of circumstance if I was made to stand behind concertina wire and soldiers approached me -- how would you expect me to behave? Those are not civil conditions and I would not expect civil behavior.

As far as I saw those boxes could have contained anything.

Sad part is, this group of refugees has not chosen a spokesman committee and is exhibiting mob like behavior. There should be red cross workers distributing red cross packages and not armed uniformed para-military police. This Youtube Video may be/is a obvious plant.

This is from the same region and shows red cross workers distributing relief packages. Bosnia War ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeyt1xqdoYU



I am trying to get an accurate translation of the Arabic.
This is not civil behavior on either side.

Thank you!

Geeze finally some people who actually have the ability to do critical thinking.

These refugees go in EXPECTING THINGS. and they EXPECT to go to norther European countries where THEY KNOW there is better social benefits.

Real refugees who are truly afraid of living will take anything to survive. ANYTHING. Barry is so delusional he really believes they should be provided with HALEL! It's crazy. I'm starting to think he's trolling.

You ever see areas hit by a natural disaster or in Africa where they are dropping food? People are literally ready to tear each other apart to receive their ration. But these refugees are waving it away. That's DISGUSTING behavior.

If i was on an unknown journey with my life in jeopardy and i do not know how long it would take. I would be stocking up on ANYTHING from ANYONE dropping all beliefs to survive.

Last year I was stuck at an airport overnight. Went about 24 hours with nothing to eat or drink. Somebody gave me a granola bar with walnuts in them (absolutely cannot stand walnuts, it's like giving water to a witch.) I grimaced but I ate the damn thing because I was starving.

Okay, maybe if I had a religious reason I would have rejected it. Politely. Said thank you but I cannot take that, can we work out something else?

Your problem is not my problem. I may feel empathy and I may be willing to help out, but if you reject my help arrogantly, fuck off.

Europe has quite the challenge. United States and Mexico have mostly the same religions and similar cultures. Europe and Middle East/North Africa, not so much.

Yes, a Christian will gladly eat a ham sandwich. An non observant Muslim or Jew would too.

A religious Muslim or an Othodox Jew believes that he would be commuting a serious sin with no escape clause -- silly as it may be to you or I.

In any case, unless you are a fanatic you could eat food that is not a meat and not commit a known sin for the sake of survival (a Jew could anyway). There are food preparation rules that religious Jews and Muslims must follow -- including a no contact with unclean meats according to Halal or Kosher religious law.

Personally, I would eat anything if I had to -- but I follow no dietary laws or religious beliefs. This is the exact reason why -- it's lunacy ...

Have you guys ever had someone over for dinner, only to find out they are vegan?

LOL.

Your bottom point is exactly the key. They are not culturally even close. They are so different that even the food aid isn't accepted. This is problems happening before they are even immigrated. What is going to happen when they fully cross over?

Also when you are truly starving your body goes into over drive and your instinct takes over. If you're truly starving you will eat anything. Absolutely anything. At the point of starvation even insects would seem like a steak.

These boxes won't typically have meat at all, it would spoil...contains mostly non-parishable items. Canned food etc. I'm sure the makaroni and blankets in there were ritually killed.

Not sure if Europe is in a need of fanatic Muslims. In case a refugee is a deeply religious (fanatic/orthodox):
a) Muslim, wouldn't be better just to show him the direction to Iran, UAE etc?
b) Jew, wouldn't be better just to show him the direction to Israel?

Also what do you think will happen once a deeply religious Muslim arrives in a regular European city filled with advertisements showing half-naked women, city centers filled with catholic temples and so on?

What you pasted is video of ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Croatia. It was done with USA support and no one gave a fuck in EU.There are still families that live in barracks like refugees , 20 year after it and now they share those barracks with those muslim refugees. Serbia is full of refugees from various regions and that terrible for any country , when you need to take all those people without jobs and feed them.

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

According to Barry they will simply take the non fanatical ones.

Precisely. I've wrote about it in posts above. Already registered one attempt of rape and from what I see ,they watch girls like animals. Can't get their eyes from them. It is scary.

I'm concerned about what will these Muslims do once they settle and realize we don't give two necks about Mohammed, we are welcoming tragedy and terror, how many of these will bite the hand that fed them? How many of these will become/are extremists?

hey dumbfuckwad, you're a fucking idiot to think the USA supported croatia in ethnic cleansing.

you and your anti-American bullshit rhetoric you pull out of your dumbfuckwad ass.

gofuckyourself. don't try and pull that shit here motherfucker.

Those policemen were carrying 2 sealed boxes supposedly laden with canned food effortlessly == LMAO Gobbels would smile :2 cents:

Aww, Poor Serbs ... What is the difference? Those are Red Cross workers handing out relief boxes to refugees -- I could care less what ethnicity or race they were -- facts are facts ...

Until I get an accurate translation in Arabic from someone I know will tell the truth -- I do not accept that version as fact.

Not all,but enough of them .

1. Remember Paris and Charlie Hebdo? Or what happened in that train in france few days ago when American guys got that terrorist?

2. Remember bomb in Volgograd: Volgograd bus bomb explosion - dashboard camera video | World news | The Guardian

3. Boston marathon bombing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing

4. One of episodes that you probably didn't hear about because "western"medias won't show you about Serbian kids executed while playing in Kosovo:

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url


Only total fool can't see what is coming.

It seems you had very hard childhood when every other word is insult.

Fort a start:

Mario's Cyberspace Station: US role in Operation Storm in Croatia

Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG)

Read your own fucking link dumbfuck, there's nothing in there that even suggests USA supported the ethnic cleansing there.

And from the 2nd dumfuckwads link::::

A Croatian general, indicted by the war crimes tribunal in the Hague for being responsible for atrocities committed against Krajina Serbs during "Operation Storm" in 1995, claimed that leading members of the Clinton administration authorized and oversaw the operation.


That's a dumbfuckwads proof that USA supported ethnic cleansing, a guilty ethnic cleanser points his finger at Clinton.

You are mentally ill or just blind:

In the wee hours of 4 August 1995, the Croatian units were issued the command to turn off all telecommunications devices between midnight and 4 am. Later it was learned that the Americans had used that time to electronically intercept and destroy the Serbian telecommunications devices.
HV was left with one hour, from 4-5 am to use their radio ties to coordinate the operation. Just prior to Storm, the American military attaché was again called to the operation staff.
Ivan ?arac was again with him.
One or two days prior to Storm, Herrick, who had prepared Storm with the Croatian officers and gave the operation the green light on Clinton's behalf, was replaced by Colonel John Sadler.

exactly midnight, they arrived at the operative staff and from there followed all the events in the field. This time, the entire Operation was transmitted in real time via satellite to the Pentagon, where these images remain archived today. The signal transmitted to the signal by the Americans was also received by HV, and with the help of those images, the firing upon Serbian positions and the military base near Knin could be monitored to within millimeters. In addition to electronically destroying the Serbian communications, the US military also acted militarily against the Serbian positions, when it fired on the anti-aircraft battery near Knin from American combat planes that flew over the battle area. That news was released only once, on the 6 o'clock news.

Afterwards, the US sharply condemned this, and that news was never repeated. No one believed the official American explanation for the rocket attack, and today the general perception is that this was direct US assistance to HV, only that even ten years after Storm this must not be admitted, due to US-British relations, as Britain had a completely different perspective on how to resolve the Balkan issue. And it still does today.

again, you're a dumbfuckwad to try and pass that anecdotal bullshit off here as fact and to think your anti-American bullshit passes muster.

and i'm not here to get you to see the fucking light of truth, i couldn't give a fuck what you think or lack to think, i'm here to rub your dumbfuckwad nose in your own shit you spew here.

gofuckyourself.

But you are not able to do it, especially after showing that you don't read simple text. It is not anti american at all,it is historical fact like many others. Maybe you don't like it from some reason , but that is completely different problem. If you want to research, there is
your starting point. If you don't want, it is up to you.

i mean really, read some of the shit you spew- such as your claiming that in 1994 the USA streamed the entire Operation Storm, the largest land battle since ww2, to the fucking Pentagon, live. and that 100s of thousands of serbs were murdered live on streaming video to the pentagon.

jtfc.

i don't have to research jackfuckingshit to know you are a complete dumbfuckwad spewing anti-American rhetoric out of your ass.

good. keep your head in sand and keep insulting people. It is your choice.

Ahmed from Libya reached KANJIZA Instead of churches in Europe will stand minarets! It will be our revenge

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

You only see what you want to see ...

Like I said this problem is not going to just go away.

For that matter WTF do you care? The same NATO that bombed you will be the ones to suffer -- you should be dancing in the streets? Or, is Serbia so eager to join the EU (for the same economic reasons) that NATO invasion of Serbia is all forgotten?


** Inshallah can mean 'if god is willing' if seems the context here -- in the context of resignation or subjection ... as in the "the subjection of aboriginal peoples" it that sense: pay-backs are a bitch...

Serbia is not eager to do anything, Serbia is forced to enter EU and that pressure is extreme and organized for last 15 years. Once NATO put puppet regime on power , ordinary people can't do shit. All generals were sent to jail , military is reduced to a size of hunting association, paramilitary (g4s for example) is everywhere, medias are controlled by US and Germans and monetary system is controlled by western countries. Countries that bombed Serbia took everything, banks (first night after coup détat) food, telecommunications.....everything that is making money. And EU nato members ain't shit, US is the only boss. And US won't see any of these mujahedins, that is for sure. They will all end in Europe (at least in balkans) and make further destablisation of EU.

Anyway, there is nothing worse than Muslims. European countries are sharing same basic principles (except Albania,Kosovo and Bosnia) while these savages are worst nightmare.

And listen, it would be smartest not to talk do I see what i want to see. Destroying churches and UNESCO heritage was already done by Albanian muslims , while NATO was standing and watching how it was done. More than 150 christian churches are destroyed, some from 14th century. IN a same manner as ISIS is doing now .

And one more thing. When you say WTF I care, nato will suffer. NATO won't suffer, but ordinary people will. I don't consider government or huge military business same as ordinary people . I have friends in France, US, Hungary, Slovenia, Croatia, Russia...they are not same as their government. Ordinary and normal people wants to enjoy their life, do business, learn,love,have fun. No one is asking them much and they don't decide about anything. Simple as that. Recently I've helped some cool syrian guys here. But , what we are seeing and what is entering Europe are not civilized people. They are not here to follow rules, but to create their own.

These immigrant scum are unwelcome guests -- I get the drift ...

Those Albanian scum will eat our children if we let them -- I get the drift.

If the USA was closer they would be invading us ...

Put the military-aged men in military camps, train them to fight, then send them back to Syria to fight ISIS. Give the women, children, elderly-infirm shelter and safe harbor. That would make sense. That should have been done over a year ago in the region.

If they don't want fight to get their homeland back then they are just economic refugees with a convenient excuse. Give them a fair chance :2 cents:

Most of them are not from Syria at all. They are coming even from Africa. There are tons of black people that don't live in SYria, I am seeing them every single day. This is organized migration into Europe with one goal, to destabilize and fuck Europe in incoming years. Some countries will manage to protect itself,like Hungary, some idiotic countries will speed up own end that was inevitable,anyway (Serbia).

So, send the 'darkies' back to Syria to fight they can resettle there. Better there then in Europe, right?

What's your solution?