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Magnetron 09-03-2015 04:14 AM

Although in exchange for ad free access, I would ask surfers to make a $1 donation to a local pet shelter.

Or Met's legal offense fund.

After I modified the embed code to prevent surfers from clicking thru to PH.

They would only be able to click thru to the studios.

EliteWebmaster 09-03-2015 04:21 AM

Playing devil's advocate here, what would stop someone who hates MG with a passion (and there are a few of you guys :1orglaugh:1orglaugh) to setup a tube site with full length twisty/digitalplayground/realitykings/wicked/brazzers/etc.. videos and host it at a server offshore who don't give a shit about DMCAs. Turn the tables so to speak. Again, I'm not saying it should be done as I don't condone piracy but with that much hate against them, I'm surprised no one with resources and determination hasn't tried it already.

j3rkules 09-03-2015 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 20569121)
Playing devil's advocate here, what would stop someone who hates MG with a passion (and there are a few of you guys :1orglaugh:1orglaugh) to setup a tube site with full length twisty/digitalplayground/realitykings/wicked/brazzers/etc.. videos and host it at a server offshore who don't give a shit about DMCAs. Turn the tables so to speak. Again, I'm not saying it should be done as I don't condone piracy but with that much hate against them, I'm surprised no one with resources and determination hasn't tried it already.

Mrtesy is on his way.

:thumbsup

xXXtesy10 09-03-2015 07:08 AM

like own bank and always get robbed so go rob bank too? wow man, but you probably just give John Deiz and Signbucks good idea.

signupdamnit 09-03-2015 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20567702)

As far as the lawsuit(s) go I have no idea as to their merit, the details or the possible outcomes. But I'm not convinced Met-Art's strategy of lawsuits helps anyone but Met-Art mitigate their dwindling paysite sales.

Strange. As I understand it for a long time Metart was famous for working closely with the tubes. You mean to tell me things aren't better than ever for them after doing so for years? Frankly I am shocked. I would have expected them to be billionaires by now. Perhaps they simply failed to share enough full videos from their member's area? Or maybe they lack that "magical content" (think magical join pages) where somehow it makes it all work out (even when it defies common sense and hundreds of years of basic business knowledge) by giving more and more out for free? They should hit up JT for some tips on how to get that magical content. :upsidedow

Magnetron 09-03-2015 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 20569121)
Playing devil's advocate here, what would stop someone who hates MG with a passion (and there are a few of you guys :1orglaugh:1orglaugh) to setup a tube site with full length twisty/digitalplayground/realitykings/wicked/brazzers/etc.. videos and host it at a server offshore who don't give a shit about DMCAs. Turn the tables so to speak. Again, I'm not saying it should be done as I don't condone piracy but with that much hate against them, I'm surprised no one with resources and determination hasn't tried it already.

There's a difference between hate and tough love.

Personally, I could care less about the outcome of this suit is.

It's definitely a more interesting topic than a couple of GFY boneheads daring to meet up on a street corner and duke it out ... or hookup ......

I've never agreed with every decision Met-Art has made. They've been giving away more and more of their product every year now for the last decade. No one twisted their arms into submitting content to MG.

Dollar Signs always manage to trump Common Cents in this industry.

The Porn Nerd 09-03-2015 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20569236)
Strange. As I understand it for a long time Metart was famous for working closely with the tubes. You mean to tell me things aren't better than ever for them after doing so for years? Frankly I am shocked. I would have expected them to be billionaires by now. Perhaps they simply failed to share enough full videos from their member's area? Or maybe they lack that "magical content" (think magical join pages) where somehow it makes it all work out (even when it defies common sense and hundreds of years of basic business knowledge) by giving more and more out for free? They should hit up JT for some tips on how to get that magical content. :upsidedow

The reason I have resisted growing into a larger company with offices, US employees, etc is because of what I think is happening at Met-Art (and perhaps a dozen other companies). They grew during the good times but now have a massive monthly/weekly nut that is squeezing their margins as their revenue shrinks. But what do you do when you have an office, employees, insurance, etc? All of which MUST be paid or you are out of business?

So, in the end, while it is trickier and perhaps more personally exhausting, I am ecstatic I do not have to worry about such issues and can focus on profits. But for those companies trying to survive (forget about growing) the clock is ticking. Thus, we get lawsuits and other acts of desperation.

xXXtesy10 09-03-2015 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lezinterracial (Post 20568849)
Back in the day, Many sites did try to sue the big tubes. The tubes responded by saying they weren't in the US. Now the tube sites have the best lawyers.

I don't think much else can be done.


adultmobile 09-03-2015 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20569236)
Strange. As I understand it for a long time Metart was famous for working closely with the tubes.

Where this info comes from? I was at met-art from 2005 to 2010 (I ran their cams) and I do not remember them working with anyone else than ccbill affiliates tgp's etc. until them, also they was mostly photos anyway.

signupdamnit 09-03-2015 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20569327)
Where this info comes from? I was at met-art from 2005 to 2010 (I ran their cams) and I do not remember them working with anyone else than ccbill affiliates tgp's etc. until them, also they was mostly photos anyway.

Well here is gabe100 in 2012 telling me that I am wrong and that he thought Metart was "killing it" because of tubes:

https://gfy.com/18873936-post49.html

EliteWebmaster 09-03-2015 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10 (Post 20569217)
like own bank and always get robbed so go rob bank too? wow man, but you probably just give John Deiz and Signbucks good idea.

Haha, like I said before, not advocating piracy here but some guys have a dislike (maybe not hate) but a strong dislike for MG, so using your analogy it wouldn't be "like owning your own bank and always getting robbed, so go rob a bank too", it would be more like go rob the people who robbed you :1orglaugh:1orglaugh :winkwink:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20569240)
There's a difference between hate and tough love.

Personally, I could care less about the outcome of this suit is.

It's definitely a more interesting topic than a couple of GFY boneheads daring to meet up on a street corner and duke it out ... or hookup ......

I've never agreed with every decision Met-Art has made. They've been giving away more and more of their product every year now for the last decade. No one twisted their arms into submitting content to MG.

Dollar Signs always manage to trump Common Cents in this industry.

Sorry, I wasn't implying you specifically hate MG, it was more generalization about MG dislike in general by some guys :winkwink:

I have no dog in the fight between MG and Meta lawsuit. I think this will drag out until one gives up or reach a settlement, there will be no victory for the industry either way. Just like I agree with the comment earlier someone made that Meta is not doing this as a Champion to the industry to right the wrongs or perceived wrongs that MG did, but rather they are doing it for themselves.

And if the comments about Meta signing off to work with MG, then it's more their own fault for getting in bed with a rapist and foolishly not expecting the rapist to eventually rape them. :upsidedow

Magnetron 09-03-2015 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EliteWebmaster (Post 20569441)

And if the comments about Meta signing off to work with MG, then it's more their own fault for getting in bed with a rapist and foolishly not expecting the rapist to eventually rape them. :upsidedow

An apt description.

Magnetron 09-03-2015 11:15 AM

The lawsuit somewheres about page 9 and 10 alleges that Pornhub failed to respond to DMCAs and take down videos Met-Art did not submit. Instead Pornhub supposedly tried to convince Met to make these monkey uploads official. Met declined. Pornhub continued streaming these and began streaming them on the PHP domain as well.

If this is the case, shouldn't they be suing for twice as much?

Far-L 09-03-2015 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JuicyBunny (Post 20568991)
You're still MG's bitch. Its not a matter of somebody fighting our fight. I fight them and beat them every day. You'd rather work with content rapists than grow a sack. I guess Homegrown couldn't afford a fight even if it wanted to.

Have been around a long time.

What are you even talking about?

You apparently have zero clue about what we do. You have less of a clue about what we do or don't do with tubes these days. And you are completely ignorant of what we make or don't make in revenue so why would you be so willing to slam me for stuff that you have absolutely no idea about?

What is your point? Why so bitter that you would trade common sense for a few idiotic vitriolic posts that just make you look stupid in your outright ignorance?

"You fight them and beat them every day" What does that mean? Sounds like a bunch of posturing from someone whose industry-wide relevance is about as significant as the next ubiquitous clip posted to a tube site.

Talk to me when you have won a 7 year legal battle that benefited the entire industry, or lobbied to prevent a "sin tax" on adult, or something, anything that helped out the business in any way besides your pithy tirades on GFY and grandstanding like you actually have dealt with a real issue affecting the industry and made a difference.

Ruseful 09-03-2015 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20569098)
Methinks you totally missed what was said in said post of mine you quoted.

So ........ Let's try a direct question instead.

Is it written into the terms of submitting content to PH that studios are also agreeing to have their content redistributed on alternative domains such PHP?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

Because if it is Yes, Met-Art has no case. They can't sue MG for something they'agreed to, unless the terms are vague and there was no meeting of the minds.

If it is No and MG wants to be bastards about it - then everyone should have the right to embed all PH videos, ride for free on MG's bandwidth and charge surfers $5.95 monthly for ad free access to them.

http://m.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=198610 I think this answers your question :)

The Porn Nerd 09-03-2015 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signupdamnit (Post 20569432)
Well here is gabe100 in 2012 telling me that I am wrong and that he thought Metart was "killing it" because of tubes:

https://gfy.com/18873936-post49.html

Who has 1:300 ratios these days? Maybe some niche sites but it's more in the 1:500-1:1500 range. So those numbers are inflated (especially in 2015).

Magnetron 09-03-2015 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20569646)
http://m.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=198610 I think this answers your question :)

That's quite a bucket load of denial.

Magnetron 09-03-2015 03:29 PM

I just don't know who to believe:

the company that has no reputation of filing frivolous lawsuits and has legitimately acquired numerous other competitors

-or-

the company that does have a reputation of streaming videos without content owners' permission.

Hmmmm ..........

....... this drama calls for popcorn.

xXXtesy10 09-03-2015 03:48 PM

here is settlement guy.. waiting :winkwink:

http://internetbusinessmastermind.co...r-salesman.jpg

xXXtesy10 09-03-2015 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20569695)
That's quite a bucket load of denial.

Catherine Dunn can drain my cum filled balls any day of week. i want to eat she asshole and spit face while fucking backside:winkwink:

NatalieK 09-03-2015 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruseful (Post 20567583)
Hey Far-L, I posted this on another board but it applies to your comment here too. It was in response to Colin-wasteland saying his tube submitted content was in PornHub Premium too:
I have around 40 full
scenes from each of my sites in PornHub Premium. As Colin states, PHP has all of my tube edited videos too.


So what is PHP? Why would a member pay the monthly fee?


>No 3rd party banners - only banners directing users to the paysite of the video they are watching


>faster streaming - giving a better user experience.


why would a studio want their TUBE EDITED content in PHP?


>only your banners are shown next to your content - trust me, this is golden real estate. They already have your permission to use the videos you have uploaded via their content partner program but why would you NOT want this in PHP?


why would a studio want to give full scenes to PHP?


>again, only your banners are shown next to these videos


>PHP will allocate a % of its gross subscription revenue and payout the studios that are uploading exclusive content on a view share model based on views. So for example if my FakeTaxi scenes have 25% of views from the exclusive pool, I will receive 25% of the portion allocated to the view share model.


in 2010, we did a poll on YouPorn, asking the users if they would be willing to pay for an ad free version of YouPorn, ie YouPorn premium. We had the poll up for 24 hours. The response was incredible, and the average price users were willing to pay was $5 usd. We never tried to implement this because of the content partners and the sheer amount of time and energy we would have had to spend on trying to explain that this was a good move for them. We would have tried to implement the view share model as PHP are doing. We referred to it as the satellite payment/distribution model. I started building Cloud.xxx and tube.xxx because of the YouPorn premium service. Cloud.xxx was a tool to studios for tube clip distribution, encoding, watermarking etc. I needed to build this so I could aggregate tube clips ready for tube.xxx. You pretty much have what I wanted to build in PornHub premium already. That's why I am a big supporter.

so wondering, if clips that are given to pornhub from exclusive content providers, are found in the PHP area, logically, are they not entitled to a pay off & if so, how does one find if their content's in PHP and not just located on the tube itself?

Magnetron 09-03-2015 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 20569774)
so wondering, if clips that are given to pornhub from exclusive content providers, are found in the PHP area, logically, are they not entitled to a pay off & if so, how does one find if their content's in PHP and not just located on the tube itself?

PHP is PH minus the ads. The sites are identical. What's on one is on the other.

moviebiz 09-04-2015 02:37 AM

Could anyone please give contact of PHP rep?

ReggieDurango 09-04-2015 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moviebiz (Post 20570167)
Could anyone please give contact of PHP rep?

[email protected]

NatalieK 09-04-2015 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20569787)
PHP is PH minus the ads. The sites are identical. What's on one is on the other.

ok, I get this, thanks. Do the clips still connect to my profile though?

moviebiz 09-04-2015 04:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 20570174)

Thanks !

Magnetron 09-04-2015 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GspotProductions (Post 20570188)
ok, I get this, thanks. Do the clips still connect to my profile though?

Send me $9.99 and I'll get back to you wit dat info. :winkwink:

Nick-Mindgeek 09-04-2015 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReggieDurango (Post 20570174)

Wissam who? Mansef who? loool

Both are gone over 5 years ago ( march 2010 )

This is the correct email for PH :

[email protected]

xXXtesy10 09-04-2015 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moviebiz (Post 20570167)
Could anyone please give contact of PHP rep?

[email protected]

xXXtesy10 09-04-2015 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neeko (Post 20570371)
Wissam who? Mansef who? loool

Both are gone over 5 years ago ( march 2010 )

This is the correct email for PH :

[email protected]

fuck off assswipe :321GFY scumbag cocksucker manwin and see sig lol that you bitch

JuicyBunny 09-04-2015 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xXXtesy10 (Post 20570388)
fuck off assswipe :321GFY scumbag cocksucker manwin and see sig lol that you bitch

Wait til his bosses find out he's posting while his company is about to be torpedoed in Miami Federal Court. lol.

Magnetron 09-04-2015 01:35 PM

20 Met-Art movies in just the initial 4 pages of searching for "Met-Art"

Met-art Porn Videos | Pornhub.com

Absolutely no banners linking back to Met-Art.

Jade - met-art striptease - Pornhub.com
[Met-Art] - 2011-02-19 - Jenya D - Vertical [AVI] [1440x1080] - Pornhub.com
Jezabel Vessir in Ditona at MetArt - Pornhub.com
Katherine A in Caniora - Pornhub.com
Miela - Pornhub.com
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=286682562
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1094412443
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1637944253
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=771447688
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...h55866b8f19e74
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...85c1eb1889416d
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1718150545
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1539642230
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1142876933
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=2055200889
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...h5586d8780366d
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=524591410
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=159577669
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...h55864cebe2d80
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1522125918

44 more pages of search results to go .....................

:2 cents:

The Porn Nerd 09-04-2015 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20570695)
20 Met-Art movies in just the initial 4 pages of searching for "Met-Art"

Met-art Porn Videos | Pornhub.com

Absolutely no banners linking back to Met-Art.

Jade - met-art striptease - Pornhub.com
[Met-Art] - 2011-02-19 - Jenya D - Vertical [AVI] [1440x1080] - Pornhub.com
Jezabel Vessir in Ditona at MetArt - Pornhub.com
Katherine A in Caniora - Pornhub.com
Miela - Pornhub.com
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=286682562
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1094412443
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1637944253
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=771447688
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...h55866b8f19e74
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...85c1eb1889416d
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1718150545
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1539642230
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1142876933
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=2055200889
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...h5586d8780366d
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=524591410
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=159577669
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...h55864cebe2d80
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...key=1522125918

44 more pages of search results to go .....................

:2 cents:


First one I clicked on I saw a Met-Art banner:

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=286682562

Man I should go to Vegas. LOL The other six I tried did not tho.

Magnetron 09-04-2015 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20570697)
First one I clicked on I saw a Met-Art banner:

0xf75047bf - Pornhub.com

Man I should go to Vegas. LOL The other six I tried did not tho.

I just revisited that link and it was a Brazzers banner.

Visited again and it was a PornhubPremium banner.

Visited again and it was a PornhubPremium banner.

Visited again and it was a Why date? Just fuck! banner.

Visited again and it was a PornhubPremium banner.

Visited again and it was a Brazzers banner.

Visited again and it was a PornhubPremium banner.

Visited again and it was a PornhubPremium banner.

Visited again and it was a Why date? Just fuck! banner.

Visited again and it was a Brazzers banner.

Visited again and it was a Brazzers banner.

Visited again and it was a Fuck a horny Asian in your area tonight banner

Visited again and it was a Brazzers banner.

Visited again and it was a Brazzers banner.

sigh

Maybe the proper studio banner appears only when a content submitter watches the video .......

xXXtesy10 09-04-2015 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20570700)
I just revisited that link and it was a Brazzers banner.

Visited again and it was a PornhyubPremium banner.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh the ass fucking continues. was it gay sex video?

Magnetron 09-04-2015 02:05 PM

Maybe all these videos were uploaded by monkeys after the lawsuit was filed?


































http://i2.ifrm.com/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

The Porn Nerd 09-04-2015 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20570700)

Maybe the proper studio banner appears only when a content submitter watches the video .......

Well now that video where I saw the Met-Art banner is gone. LOL

0xf75047bf - Pornhub.com

Timing is everything, as they say. :D

Magnetron 09-04-2015 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20570758)
Well now that video where I saw the Met-Art banner is gone. LOL

0xf75047bf - Pornhub.com

Timing is everything, as they say. :D



Quote:

Video has been removed at the request of the copyright owner.


It's amazing how fast the DMCA process works when you already have a 15 million dollar lawsuit tacked to your forehead.

ReggieDurango 09-05-2015 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neeko (Post 20570371)
Wissam who? Mansef who? loool

Both are gone over 5 years ago ( march 2010 )

This is the correct email for PH :

[email protected]

I was clearly (at least I thought it was clear) joking!

Magnetron 09-05-2015 04:33 AM

Flying Upload Monkeys and Magic Takedown Notices

Oh, my !!!

How much do you want to bet that all the Met-Art video links at Pornhub I didn't post are still active?

Criminal enterprise never looked so entertaining.

And that's exactly what it is, if outsiders have to constantly police your sites for content you have no rights to stream.


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