Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20569758)

Get rid of Sanctuary City Status and enforce the law that says no one can employ an illegal immigrant, period. Then stop all the social programs they leach off of. They will leave in droves!

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20569773)

Didn't insult you, just pointed out your hypocrisy.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20569779)

And you think this would have a positive effect on California's economy?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20569710)

LOL, Read the link you posted!

let me quote your link

Although California has the highest number of illegal immigrants, Nevada has the largest proportion of illegal immigrants?7.2 percent of the state population and as much as 10 percent of its workforce. California and Texas follow at just under 7 percent of their populations, with New Jersey and Arizona rounding out the top five

So I guess you are eating the shit! LOL

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20569711)

Which has nothing to do with what we were talking about, put the glue down, walk away from it!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20569560)

Ok, most of them are in California, where does that deserve a bullshit from what I posted


You call me a retard and you can't even read? LOL:2 cents: I guess you must have failed math?
Do you actually think there are 8.42 million illegal aliens in California? Where did you find that? Or did you just pull that number out of your ignorant ass?

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20569945)

Again dumb fuck. Thats where 11 million of total illegals comes from. So yes it has everything to do with our argument. Have you ever been tested for IQ score? i bet it came negative. Jesus Christ, Every time you try to say something semi-intelligent you come out like complete moron who dropped out of 6th grade and married your own cousin.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20569943)

Just because I know a lot of bikers doesn't mean I do anything remotely illegal. So yes, that was aimed at insulting me, don't try to act like it was anything else.



Sanctuary Cities are a violation of federal law, period. If we fly they want to take our shoes off, yet a terrorist can walk across the border. Why do we spend millions on homeland security when our southern border is open? Becoming a citizen should be hard, why? because it's worth it. To become a Mexican citizen is harder. So yes, we need to finish the wall, we should have done it a long time ago.



here's an article where they say the cost of illegal immigrants in California is over 10 billion a year, this article was in 2004, we have more illegal aliens now.

Illegal aliens cost California billions - Washington Times

So I would say it would be a positive for California's economy!

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20569951)

LOL, you are seriously going to blow a gasket because I said most instead of more? Dude, get your meds checked. Good night, but thanx for the laugh.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20569953)

Never accused you of doing anything illegal.

Citizenship should be hard to obtain? Is that the principle this country was founded on? I don't think so.

And an article for you...
Careful What You Wish For: Here?s What California Would Look Like Without Illegal Immigrants - The Daily Beast

"A recent report by researchers at the University of Southern California, for example, says immigrants who are in California illegally make up nearly 10 percent of the state?s workers and contribute $130 billion annually to its gross domestic product."
"The study found that the estimated 2.6 million immigrants who are living in California illegally account for as much as 38 percent of the agriculture industry. Farming insiders put the figure at over 50 percent. Illegal immigrants also constitute at least 14 percent of the construction industry. You?ll also find them well represented in the hospitality industry, landscaping industry, and just about every other line of work in the state that requires breaking a sweat."

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20569953)

Never accused you of doing anything illegal.

Citizenship should be hard to obtain? Is that the principle this country was founded on? I don't think so.

And an article for you...
Careful What You Wish For: Here?s What California Would Look Like Without Illegal Immigrants - The Daily Beast

"A recent report by researchers at the University of Southern California, for example, says immigrants who are in California illegally make up nearly 10 percent of the state?s workers and contribute $130 billion annually to its gross domestic product."
"The study found that the estimated 2.6 million immigrants who are living in California illegally account for as much as 38 percent of the agriculture industry. Farming insiders put the figure at over 50 percent. Illegal immigrants also constitute at least 14 percent of the construction industry. You?ll also find them well represented in the hospitality industry, landscaping industry, and just about every other line of work in the state that requires breaking a sweat."

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20569960)

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
For most of us with with IQ above 60 "most" means at least 51%. You obviously don't fall in that category. Sleep tight moron. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20570569)

Daily Beast is the liberal version of Fox news. They had a day without mexicans in LA, no one noticed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Boycott



So your IQ is what 65? LOL
Doesn't explain all the other non sense you spouted

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20570569)

Daily Beast is the liberal version of Fox news. They had a day without mexicans in LA, no one noticed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Boycott



So your IQ is what 65? LOL
Doesn't explain all the other non sense you spouted

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20570646)

why even argue with idiots supporting people entering the country illegally???

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570638)

You think a one day demonstration shows what would happen if illegals were totally removed from the economic equation in California? Trying to have a discussion with you feels like picking on a retarded kid.

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20570646)

why even argue with idiots supporting people entering the country illegally???

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570662)

Trying to understand a complex issue does not equal support. I do not support giving illegals welfare. Shit, I don't support giving most legals welfare. I would love to see you stripped of your benefits and forced to do farm work like in the good old days. :)

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570662)

Trying to understand a complex issue does not equal support. I do not support giving illegals welfare. Shit, I don't support giving most legals welfare. I would love to see you stripped of your benefits and forced to do farm work like in the good old days. :)

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 20570751)

you are off topic once again. :helpme:helpme you know illegals claim anchor babies as legal

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20570746)

You pressed a query and I answered. They protested with the intent of showing the world what it would be without Mexicans, end result, no difference, we got by just fine! Don't cry about the fact I answered your question with an answer you don't approv e of with an insult. Only shows your emotional state about it.



Every question he's asked I've answered, he's always attacking anything I say anywhere.



Why so serious, we can issue work permits, farm workers only make up about 3% to 4% of the illegal aliens, so you seem to be very ill informed!

About 3 percent of illegal immigrants were working in farming and related sectors, according to Pew, which was well below the percentage working in service occupations (33 percent), construction and extractive jobs (17 percent), production, installation and repair (16 percent) and transportation and moving (8 percent). A subsequent Pew study pegged the number working in farming and related sectors slightly higher, at 4 percent.

Facebook post says "less than 2 percent of illegals are picking crops, but 41 percent are on welfare" | PolitiFact

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570771)

You "got by just fine" for one day, according to you. There is a big difference between forever and a day. And fuck you for crying about being insulted. You addressed me as "moron" after bitching about me mentioning your biker fetish and how it clashes with your disapproval of drug cartels. Practice what you preach.

I don't attack everything you say, just the stupid shit about illegal immigration. I've left your biker wannabe shit alone, even though I find it very amusing.

What are you babbling about calling me ill informed? I have made no mention of workforce percentages.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20570777)

Ill informed was about your crack about forced to do farm work. You should try to understand what you type out first. only 3 to 4 % work in the fields. If you knew a fucking thing, you would understand your pointless attack on those with a different opinion!

You keep bashing me about my friends, sorry you feel badly about no having any.
Your bringing it up was a feeble attempt to insult me. If you actually knew any bikers, you would know that was very feeble!

Sorry I called you a moron after you attacked me, but you are trying so hard to live up to my insult, it's funny!

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570783)

Still not following your logic. I made a crack about BM doing farmwork so I'm ill informed about beaners doing farmwork? You're not making sense.

If I knew any bikers? I drink at the Spar Tree Tavern in Granite Falls, WA. Google it. :winkwink:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20570569)

Daily Beast is the liberal version of Fox news. They had a day without mexicans in LA, no one noticed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_American_Boycott



So your IQ is what 65? LOL
Doesn't explain all the other non sense you spouted

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20570785)

Making a crack about doing farm work was failed attempt at telling him that we need illegal aliens to do farm work, when they only make up 3 to 4 % of the illegal aliens in this country. As far as the Tavern , earlier you said you lived by the border? Which is it? And if that's the case, why the derogatory banter about them? If you drink with them, then you know differently!

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570662)

Trying to understand a complex issue does not equal support. I do not support giving illegals welfare. Shit, I don't support giving most legals welfare. I would love to see you stripped of your benefits and forced to do farm work like in the good old days. :)

Originally Posted by CurrentlySober (Post 20568451)

Try in the UK... Its mental - People who have worked and paid in to the system all their lives get virtually nothing.

Those that just 'arrive' and haven't paid in a penny, or contributed at all, and often cant even speak english get it all.

Facts:

The British Government provides the following financial assistance:-

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
(bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their Income Tax and National
Insurance contributions to the British Government all their working life)
Weekly allowance: £106.00

IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
(No Income Tax and National Insurance contribution whatsoever)
Weekly allowance: £250.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Weekly Spouse Allowance: £25.00

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
Weekly Spouse Allowance: £225.00

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £0.00

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £100.00

A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing

BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £6,000

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £29,900

Says it all really...

Originally Posted by Horatio Caine (Post 20570793)

great comeback dumb ass. 5th grade level. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570795)

We DO need illegal aliens to do farmwork, regardless of the percentage.

I lived in the Nogales, AZ area for years. I moved back to WA in 2010.

I would never say anything derogatory to a biker. You are not a biker. You would have the living fuck beat out of you at a real biker bar spouting your "I could be patched if I wanted to" crap. I do not ride and show nothing but respect and deference when in the presence of the real deal.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20571170)

LOL, Biker Bar? Talk to me when they invite you to their Club House. See now all you have is loathsome remarks instead of dealing with the facts. You're going back to a thread that happened months ago.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20571170)

You're right, 65 is too generous! LOL



LOL, Biker Bar? Talk to me when they invite you to their Club House. See now all you have is loathsome remarks instead of dealing with the facts. You're going back to a thread that happened months ago.

And I don't believe for a minute we need illegal aliens, we can issue work visas and work closely under the law that Reagan put in place that says it's illegal to hire illegal aliens. You are only using the assumption that we need them. We don't......

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20571180)

Seems the tide is in favor of building a wall and deporting at least illegal aliens that have committed a felony.

Voters Want to Build A Wall, Deport Felon Illegal Immigrants - Rasmussen Reports?

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20571424)

Not trying to play a game of one-upmanship with you, I am not a wannabe biker, I am simply telling you that I have been around real bikers that I know would fuck you up for saying something as stupid as "I could have a patch if I wanted, but I don't want one." I don't know what kind of patched bikers are showing up to "Bike Nite" at the TGIFridays in Encino but they can't be all that hardcore if they let a clown like you hang spouting off shit like that.

It should be easier to obtain work and residency permits. Illegals will become legal, problem solved.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20571571)

Just because we have a difference of opinion, you have to try and belittle me and to get your point across using racist comments like Beaner? Shows what a low life you are! Use that around some of the bikers I know and get a boot up your ass so hard it might kill the gerbil!

You know nothing about me, you just think you do. I am a biker, plain and simple. I really don't care what you think of me because your opinion means nothing to me. I ride with my wife almost every weekend and almost every day on my own. I ride with MC's, DC's and RC's. It's all about having fun, nothing more to me!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biker

And for your information, most bike nights don't allow cuts to be worn on the premises! I don't know about this bar you hang around in and don't care.

Proving you are just a poser that thinks he knows anything!

But I do love how you change the subject when you are losing an argument! LOL

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20571608)

Didn't change the subject, I pointed out that you are a hypocrite for whining about Mexican criminal organizations while worshipping biker gangs.

No cuts on premises? Sounds hardcore. :1orglaugh

I'm a poser? Posing as what, exactly?

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20571705)

I never changed the subject, you did in a bid to undermine that you are wrong.

You don't know about the cuts rule, yet boast how much you know about the culture, you don't know shit.

Poser defined as a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others. You're not impressing anyone, I neither care if I do or not. Before you comment, try to understand what the word means. It does not mean to pose as something.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20570795)

We DO need illegal aliens to do farmwork, regardless of the percentage.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20572163)

Why refused asylum seekers get anything is a mystery.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20572144)

How would I know about a cut rule at some place you frequent? I admit I personally have never been anywhere a patched biker would be asked to remove his colors. Sounds like a suicidal gesture, to me. I do not profess to know everything about the culture but I have been around enough to know guys like you risk getting stomped when they disrespect a biker's patch with some "I could have one of those but don't want one" bullshit.
You have boasted numerous times of being invited to some clubhouse. What club do you hang out with? They are obviously a lot more tolerant than the bikers I have encountered in AZ and WA.

Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 20572174)

Reading this, it's clear you knowing about the culture, and you still having replied about the racist remark you made.

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20572152)

We could always make it more appealing for people to work than to get welfare and have the kind of borders we used to.

Or, if we don't mean what it says on the Statue of Liberty, we should sandblast the lies off it.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 20572186)

How do you like my beaner nick and beaner avatar? :1orglaugh