no knucklehead. the answer is integration, & putting sweethart memories of a once pure local population to rest. the people who are leaving syria et al are the smart ones. they are facing hostile situation, but are braving it for survival. those are the types of people i want coming to my country. i would take a syrian refugee with big tits over a lot of our local lollygagging youths any day of the week.

sending them back, camps, trains, never worked, never will. most will either go back when syria get it together, or they will become european muslims, just like the USA is full of latinos & its not going to be reversed no matter how much a spoiled billionaire wants it otherwise.

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because bringing in muslim immigrants by the masses have turned out so great in every european country. They are really an asset to western society.

http://examine-islam.org/wp-content/...1_1673304c.jpg

so what...80% of local populations in USA are just as useless. if your gonna have some standard like, only the smart or skilled can stay, well about your local zoo animals? you gonna send them packing?

at least in USA, the best & brightest ending up being immigrants from europe. The smart euros fled europe & they made the USA great instead. the native americans never invented shit, got their asses beat. Thats life.

in those hordes of middle eastern men, most will be just as useless as people you grew up with, & a couple of them will accomplish things far in excess of you. thats life.

i think...

:2 cents:

yes, that's the one :)

http://s8.postimg.org/jd493rgqd/kolumbo.jpg

I see many people here, and on other places, asking why those refugees don't stay in Turkey as they are safe there. Well, would anybody normal wanted to stay in some shitty camp knowing he/she will probably be there for rest of the life with possibility to die soon from some disease or killed by someone? Or try to get normal life somewhere else?

https://www.google.cz/search?q=syria...kDGgodYYE MQw

And of course everyone wants to go to Germany or Sweden. Who, the fuck, would like to stay in Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria or ask asylum in Croatia or Poland? Knowing that they will get same or even worse treatment as in Turkey and no possibility to make some life anytime in the future. Eventually offered ham sandwich with beer... Isn't that in human nature that man will look for better life and opportunity? Their country is dead, their property destroyed, no life there anymore. And people from other countries, from Africa, between choosing to die from starvation or killed by some militia, and trying to get some normal life in some other place, isn't choice obvious? Especially for some young man who have 20 yrs? How much you have to be desperate to take a chance in crappy boat to get from African sun to shitty Swedish weather? Very much, but you will maybe get opportunity to send your mother few hundred bucks in year if you are lucky.

Maybe I don't understand some things and can't say much, but letting those people die on sea or in trucks, can only tell me that this "civilization" obviously deserve to finish like Rome finished once. It's not western way of life, it's not religion, it's just bastardship.

LOL, shows what you know is happening in our "enriched" Europe. People have been attacked and seriously harmed for drinking beer in parts of London that are now "Muslim", my own dad ended up in a stand-off with an immigrant scum because my dad dared to eat a ham sandwich outside a cafe in east London. He worked in east London before he retired and he could tell you some real horror stories about so-called integrated immigrants. Those people do not want to be western and will not be happy until Britain is no better than the countries they apparently are so desperate to run from. If it's this bad now, what will it be like in 10-20 years time when their numbers reach the point where they outnumber the indigenous population ... after all that has worked out so well for every other indigenous people that have been outnumbered by immigrants hasn't it.

Roman empire was finished by Barbarian invasions or more neutrally Migration period. Suits well. :)

I don't know what you mean by "letting people die"? Should they be offered free boat/ car ride or something? How far our responsibility goes?

Europe has had wars too; much of the Europe was more or less in ruins after WWII and it was rebuilt. They can do the same in Syria too instead of choosing the easiest option. War the war and rebuild the country.

It by the way would have been quite lame WWII if the soldiers and civilians would have just moved far enough elsewhere. If they can't even do war properly, then come on.. This situation is solvable by war and more exactly by either side winning the war; hopefully the better side. They don't seem that eager to contribute for their society, why they would contribute for ours?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristobal_Colon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Columbus

Christopher Columbus (/kəˈlʌmbəs/; Italian: Cristoforo Colombo; Spanish: Cristóbal Colón; Portuguese: Cristóvão Colombo;

Just a little reminder about history.

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i'll give you this: the UK is a good example how political correctness is going the wrong way, when a supermarket in CZ announced selling halal food the shitstorm was so huge that they bowed down and removed it again

and once again - i wrote already that i neither welcome people that only ask for asylum for economical reasons (if they are well educated there are other ways to come here) and i would also prefer if the Syria situation was dealt with locally

but i am trying to understand the motivation of those people that try to escape for a better life and make their way despite of the danger - obviously the desperation is huge.

and i swear i will never be that asshole that celebrates dead children like many others do now

That's a bit harsh tarring all Muslims with the same brush. It's almost like IF Scottish folk said all the English were cunts, innit?

Seriously though, I'm sorry your dad came up against some hardline Muslims but the fact of the matter is, not all Muslims are fuckheads, just like not all Caucasians are war mongering fuckwits.

I, for example, would have given your dad a hard time for not sharing his ham sandwich. And if he had a bacon butty, I'm afraid he'd be lucky to get away with all his fingertips intact.

Honestly you just aren't very intelligent. I'm glad others in this thread saw it also.

i know, i know :thumbsup

Of cause they are not but there are a large percentage that are (from memory, didn't something like 70% of Muslims in the UK put Islamic law above British law in the last poll?), this is why we have had things like the ISIS flag flying above housing estates in south London, 1000+ trying to travel to the Islamic State, Muslims trying to enforce sharia law on British streets on non-Muslims, ect ...
The sad fact is that our policy at the moment is to let 100 people in in the hope that just one is a "good guy" rather than letting 100 in and hoping that 99 are "good guys". Once the bad guys are in political correctness stops the bad guys from being removed, we are stuck with them. It's only the British people that suffer from this state of affairs and eventually things will break in a very explosive way.

Seems like someone legitimately fearing their life, running away from war with thier family would be more then happy to get asylum in any country that is safe. The reason they don't want to asylum in Eastern European countries like CZ or Poland is the shit social we have here. Our unemployment benefit is like 600PLN (150euro) a month. Some undocumented "refugee" will get 5-6x that in Germany - and don't say that they are after the opportunities that Germany offers. There are wealthy and middle-class individuals that made something of themselves all over Europe, including in the poorer countries.

Sure, I feel bad for displaced families but it's naive to think that none of these people who are in no way being checked mean the people of europe any harm. There could easily be trained ISIS members or radicalized people ready to do all sorts of terrorist attacks here. They could have fake Syrian passports, or they could have REAL ones with fake identities because ISIS could easily have taken over some places where they are actually printed. Alot of these poorer eastern european countries, poland included, do not have the funding or infrastructure to watch these people, and i REALLY don't want to worry i'm going to die every time I leave the house, I don't want to worry my wife will get raped coming home from work in the evening (almost 100% of rapes in sweden nowadays are committed by non-european immigrants), I don't want anything to happen to my kids at school -and this is exactly how terrorism works.

Why have these problems instead of just not having them?

To anyone that thinks most of these people are war refugees, the minister of foreign affairs for Hungary announced that of the 150611 registered migrants that crossed the border into Hungary *THIS YEAR ALONE*, 50413 were Syrian nationals. That's only 1/3rd.

I respect and agree with your opinion. West has plundered and ruined the homes of these people. Refuge is the least they can give.

What do I think? I think Fuck My Goverment!! :(

Hungarian Police Spray Family Trying to Cross Border

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Some hungarian people are human beings and Do Help these struggling refugees, but the general reaction to the situation is So Fucking DISTURBING, I feel shame because of I am a hungarian... The government and THE CHURCH here is acting evil + retarded :2 cents:

What is happening here is Major Crap in the eyes of a hippie like me.

Not saying this is an easy situation, neither that they should just GO to Germany or wherever they want.

But I am saying that we should treat them like HUMAN BEINGS not like shit. :((((

Here is what Finnish war refugees looked like. It is quite different picture than about the Syrian, etc. refugees arriving to Europe. Journey is of course harder, but I don't think that it helps those kids position that able bodied men leave and kids and women are left behind.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped..._in_Turku1.jpg

that is simply not true - that's the problem cause people believe that

but still Germany is better to them than most other countries, yes

Leistungen für Flüchtlinge - Politik - WDR.de
"Ganz ausgenommen von den 359 Euro sind Kosten für Unterkunft, Heizung und Hausrat. Diese werden gesondert erbracht - wahlweise als Geld- oder Sachleistung."

So €359 per each adult refugee (presumably tax free) + allowances for housing, heating and household appliances. I'd imagine there are some additional amounts given for children's needs as well, but that article doesn't seem to cover it.
Compared to Poland, that 359 euro is roughly 1500 PLN which is above our minimum wage and roughly what a cashier at a grocery store cashier makes working 40-50 hours a week, and they have to pay for their own housing.

That being said, I do agree with you that Germany and the German people would treat them better. As far as public opinion goes, whereas Germans might be 50/50 for taking them, The polish population is about 90/10 or more against taking them.

Totally unrelated to the argument at hand. those children were evacuated and it happened all over Europe, they were not refugees and their parents were left behind to help with the war effort. the children returned after the danger was over. totally unlike what is happening now. contrary to what the media tells you, almost all of the migrants are young men looking for an easier life and most of them are up to 1000 miles away from the war they claim to be escaping from but still want to push on westwards. Its a myth that all of those so-called asylum seekers are actually genuine refugees. yes, some are but by far, they are mostly economic migrants.

You should NOT believe a single word from a hungarian politician ...

I don't think that you really got my post.

Our media has told that most arriving refugees are men because the others can't stand the long and hard journey. You know; family escapes to Turkey for example, and then their able bodied men leaves to Europe after better life. At least we are told that most/ big part of refugees are actually women and kids, they just don't come to Europe. But anyways, the end result is that they have already escaped the war when they start their journey to Europe.

The easy solution to still taking refugees would be following: If you are escaping something, then is the thing you escape at in the country you come from? Like if you cross border, is the country on the side you are coming from the country where are the things you escape for. If not, then there is no need/ valid reason to cross border.

AKA we would take refugees pretty much only from neighboring countries. It is easy to return back and the refugees are more close culturally, etc. than the citizens of that country. So, easier for everyone. Familiar, fun and easy to return.

I am glad to see how maturely the EU is dealing with this issue :upsidedow

I will be in Paris and a few days in Nice late this month for two weeks -- I guess I will see for myself. Hopefully, no one will wash up on shore (dead?).

Two days ago the Eurostar train was "attacked" near Calais by immigrants climbing on the train cars' roofs trying to cross into the the UK -- illegally. Apart from endangering themselves and the passengers of the train it does show both the desperation of the immigrants and also their lawlessness. Last year I was in London and in Paris -- I saw for myself Europe's immigrant situation and "problem."

North Africa is an EU problem and Libya is a NATO problem. Syria is both a pan-Arabia and a USA problem -- NATO has only played a minor role.

We can invest trillions in these wars, stress out our own economies and destroy the economies of the nations we war with yet we are not responsible for the damage we cause to civilians in these countries we war with?

the problem with refugees is that they are merely the losing side of the same culture. They bring their problems, hatred, religion, etc. with them. Eventually their new home looks like their old home.

If Americans want to enjoy traveling through europe, they need to do it within the next 10 years.

If USA is in war with Syria, would you please get over it and win the war? Thanks.

We (the USA, the Arab states and NATO) are bombing daily but in dribbles. This limited warfare only exacerbates the refugee issues. The people, yes most of them are just people trying to survive all of this, are not hopeful of an imminent solution :2 cents: So they leave for safety with few possessions.

This is like the myth of Hercules and the Hydra. Eventually, Hercules did kill the Hydra. Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya were just a few heads :2 cents:

There may be no real winner only armistice I am afraid ...

Yes, France is a desolate war-zone isn't it? No wonder all those "refugees" and "asylum seekers" are so desperate to leave it rather than registering there.

it's a little bit more complex but doesn't matter at the end

but i cannot repeat myself often enough that i would prefer that we would help Turkey, Lebanon etc to accommodate the Syrians right there

Ten years is optimistic, Gang of men smashed American tourist's eye socket with a bottle in Brick Lane | Daily Mail Online

USA has spent 4$ billion on the refugees so far, I've posted the link Barry.

That's completely reasonable and definitely something I would support. Help them, but don't bring them here - and especially not like this. Schengen needs to be temporarily suspended and the borders of europe need to be defended, and people who come on boats immediately put back on ferries to their port of departure. Money that goes to housing and feeding refugees here should be put to establishing and defending refugee camps over there.

That is an excellent post. Watching the news is all just one sided, there is no one saying stuff like this.

I just wish people would stop posting disgusting 'war porn' in an otherwise intelligent debate. Most people do not want to see such horrific images.

there can be no debate without facing reality :2 cents:

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fill us all in, what does Columbus have to do with Columbo?

first time i agree with something you say.

The picture post of Madalton is exactly the way the media does its propaganda and brainwashing. Throw in some shocking images and completely blow everything out of proportions, a cheap tactic. Ignoring the true facts of immigration in europe: A failed, broken system filling up every country with foreign criminals and a culture that hates women, free speech and everything our civilization stands for.

lol - as someone that used to work for a company whos content depicts women in the most degrading way possible you are surely an epitome of women rights, yeah :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I was reading an article about the Prime Minister of Hungary yesterday. He was saying that it's not a European problem, it's a Germany problem. The people come to Hungary, register because Germany made it a requirement, and then move on. They have no desire to stay in Hungary, Austria, etc, they want to go deep where the benefits are good.

Not that I can blame them. Why not go another 500 miles and get better benefits? From their perspective, it makes sense. From the receiving end perspective, it doesn't. And for someone speaking up against this getting labeled as an evil is beyond bizarre. Everyone has to look out for what is in their best interest. Sometimes that means the other guy gets a shitty deal. Reality is not rainbows and unicorns.

And it has been going on for many years now. So people should stop making out that the current situation at Calais is in any way related to what's happening in Syria recently...