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that's the Italian way of doing things actually and true Italian spirit...somebody elected him - and it was his nation
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really ? and how Snowden could steal all NSA secrets ?
and there are many examples of how US foreign policies are turning against them..in just 3,5 or 10 years...do you think that it is all planed/ staged ? i dont think so...clueless people are everywhere. its chaos man, very often it's just chaos :) Quote:
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everybody knew that actually since 2011. or better yet - since 70s in XX century
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Russia's getting dragged into this now, it would be a very positive move for the US and Russia to join together against ISIS. It's time for the US to finally be done with Saudi Arabia, that's the origin of all this lunacy, from Al Qaeda to ISIS - Wahhabism, the most fucked up version of Islam.
ISIS attacked Russian military barracks - Business Insider |
Who remembers this friendly bunch ??
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If this: https://41.media.tumblr.com/95251cfc...vzrko1_540.jpg Turns into this: https://41.media.tumblr.com/224a8d3b...vzrko1_540.jpg Then it will be :thumbsup But if it turns out to be more (too much) of this: Then i'm sure it will turn out like this: https://36.media.tumblr.com/0d4d431d...vzrko1_500.jpg Humanity is capable of the most cruel things... Civilization is just a fucking thin layer of chromium... I don't expect too much of it... I think the world will live to see another case of West-European gründlichkeit.... |
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I'm very ingenous when I tell you you are free to blame America. As you did in your operation freedom post, you know the one, where you blame violence in Syria on operation freedom in iraq and USA fancy words like democracy.
Although you did later flipflop on that and claimed the slaughter in syria is simply the continuation of Arab on Arab slaughter that's been happening for thousand and thousands of years. Either way, you are free to blame America. |
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You like posting links in newspapers and calling them historians so here's on for you: The real reason the Syrian refugees keep coming*to Europe from the Middle East | Daily Mail Online You suggested that I was blaming america because I used the words Operation Freedom and democracy. Here's news for you: 1. America wasn't the only country involved in that conflict 2. Democracy isn't just a luxury afforded in America so just because I use the word doesn't mean I am speaking about America 3. I directly quoted a European when I said that so I was speaking about Europe's involvement If you want to make believe that I was blaming Americans, then by all means be my guest. |
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There ya go with the name calling again. It's hard to take you seriously about your claims that I'm not being respectful all while you call me names. It's not unlike when you blamed the American operation freedom for Syrian slaughter then changed to exclaim Syrian slaughter is nothing more than a continuation of Arab on Arab killing. And just like your "there comes a time...when it's not worth the hassle..." speech yet you flipflopped on that and now I'm worth the hassle again.
Either way, you are free to blame America. |
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Either way, you are free to blame Americans, just like you just did. No biggie. |
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Either way, you have personal freedom here to blame America. |
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"i'll turn on my tele and watch the slaughter from the comfort of my easy chair." Kinda like you flip flopping between: Quote:
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In your world you owe me an apology for your being completely confused about my posts.
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It doesn't matter if I state it once or a million times- you are free to blame America. You're free to flipflop and you are free to call me names while you exclaim I'm going ape shit and being disrespectful.
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And in the end, in spite of my sarcasm; None of us can offer a realistic solution. I have to conclude that the only reasonable act is to try to turn back this immigrant flood and return them ''home (to the region)" to straighten their own problem out -- we have no place for these people. The consequences of US, NATO, Russian, Arab and Iranian interference in the region is only in the respective interfering countries' interests. These people that are trying to escape just want that -- to get the fuck out of their bad situation. When you hate you just get your own hate mirrored back -- we are all victims of someone. |
How many isis terrorists have infiltrated the refugee wave into the west? Hijrah.
Hijrah is the Islamic doctrine of migration, which is a form of stealth jihad. |
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Ideally, the Middle East's inhabitants should seek some common ground and stop killing each other. With a 3,000 year* (about) history of regional warfare this may never happen. There may be a few stealthy ISIS or other Muslim extremist terrorists mixed in. So, damn them all to hell then? That is the sure way for ISIS to get new recruits -- that thinking is self defeating. Vet them all out, if necessary in refugee camps when they reach land. All of Europe is affected and all of Europe should react in unity and address this problem together. Instead, all the individual EU nation-states bicker and play the pass-the-trash immigrants to your neighbor game. That is no solution ... |
Yeah a few isis guys is ok.
And They can't vet them out Barry, they can't ask questions related to religion and such without being labeled an islamaphobe. |
Then if they don't roll over they all go back on the next return ship.
If that is the case then they all go back -- word gets out; if you don't roll over you go back ... ... maybe they won't leave? We (NATO?) could just cut off the Middle East until they sued for peace. No oil from the region but none, or few, immigrants. Who do you think would fold first? |
YES it's a fucking tragedy what's going on in the middle east and all immigrants dying on their way to europe but c'mon this so called solution of weak european politican leadership is just as idiotic as me shooting myself in the foot.
Here's a temporary solution that some of you might have previously heard about. Close the fucking border to middle east and africa. Set up refugee camps to house all immigrants. Yes it will take some management and partnership with a few countries in that area. European countries throw money in a pool so that the immigrants can have a "decent" life at the camps and install troops to protect them from islamic state etc. Then when things settle down there whenever that happens (first and foremost get rid of Islamic state) they can build up their own countries. This is a complex situation but this solution to give asylum to those that can PAY ?4000-?8000 to go from northern africa to southern europe by paying organized smugglers is INSANE A majority of these so called immigrants don't give a fuck about greece, hungary, italy, spain etc, no they want to northern europe where they can be feed generously by the different states (economic immigrants). This shit don't go hand in hand with some of the images of people in the direct conflict area in africa/middle east. This will have a major impact on the future of europe. If David Cameron can't play the british people, they will leave the EU as it looks now. If they do but I think the british politicians will do anything to avoid that, it may set in motion the fall of the EU as we know it. PS: Angela Merkel you are a fucking dumb cow! Quote:
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LiveLeak.com - Immigrants throw away the food and the water what they get What do you think when you watch the video? Quote:
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Which syrian refugee would you take? Can you see the difference between a good or bad one or you don't care? How about some from eritrea? Swedes Are Reacting to the IKEA Murders, And They Aren't Happy Quote:
I wonder how many people in a refugee camp can be helped for the same cost to feed a family in germany 2 parents 3 kids. It adds up to a lot. Quote:
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Just wish I could flee somewhere, away from europe. Australia and canada is obviously high up on the list. Any good south american countries you would consider ? Any other suggestions ? |
Nobody celebrates dead children. It is more that they think in europe that people make 2 choices, or welcome the refugees, or see them dead. But people that are against immigration also don't like to see the death wash ashore and people that realy needs help going to die. But the people that are against immigration are willing to help also, but in another way, not by giving everybody asylum but help them local and support countries that do help. But that is the right/left poltitics in Europe. If you are not willing tio give all people asylum you are the bad guy that also don't care people are drowning. But everybody hates to see people drowning. But one group says, take them in and sent ships, while the other group says, help them there and don't allow them to make the dangerous route with smugglers on their ships and help them there.
But in europe now people see now you must have both options, help them there and in Europe cause the problem is getting to big. Ps only 25% of the refugees is realy a refugee. Most of them are from other countries to get into Europe saying they are from syria and will sent back soon. At least, if the system works cause that 75% that isn't from Syria start legal actions (free for them) and start proceeding for years and in the end can get into europe cause they are already so long time in europe.. having children there etcetra.... Proceeding cost a lot of time and money for that countries. So in the end more and more people tend to give refugees the finger. |
More cultural enrichment:
Refugees allowed into Italy after threat to drown babies | Daily Mail Online Makes you wonder what they would be willing to do with OUR children. We're nearing the end of this years wave anyways, around november... the Mediterranean gets alot choppier in the fall/winter and alot of those migrants have to pass through mountains on the land route. There will be 5x more next year though. |
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By posting this video as a 'proof' that these people are scum, you prove that you know 5% of the story what happened to these ppl in Hungary. They have a reason to act like this, believe me. So posting this video along with the other one w guy going crazy and taking the baby+lady down next to the train: BORING. :2 cents: If you want to scare me you should post videos like this, because - no matter how hippie I am - this scares me for real: |
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To be more exact, the West, Gulf monarchies and Turkey have not exacerbated the Syrian conflict, they have rather fomented it from the beginning by supporting the Wahhabi terrorists of ISIS.
Now unexpected fall-outs and backlashes of this politics of chaos have become a problem for themselves. Recent developments: - the chief of the Wahhabi terrorists and ISIS (the King of Saudi Arabia) is currently in the White House. It seems that they are talking about how to end the Syrian chaos, - US is hinting at probable ground intervention against ISIS in Syria, - UK and France are gesticulating about increasing their engagement, - rumors of Russian direct military intervention in Syria, Hope that they will come to the conclusion that this madness should stop quickly otherwise the whole region of the Middle East including Israel will be burnt in its fire. |
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