It's very sad that you think Planned Parenthood should be defunded.

From their website:

Then again, not unexpected from you. Sad, but not unexpected.

not a quick enough edit, fuckwad.


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it's vitriol like this that makes you afraid someone is going to shoot you for the shit you spew around here.

Anyone have a metric to calculate the estimated net increase of low income black and mexican babies should PP be defunded?

it's against the law for pp to use government funds for abortions. :)

None. We have ObamaCare for everyone now. There is no need for the Feds to be funding a private business. Especially now with ObamaCare.

Lol. Shows how much attention I've been paying to the issue. Still though, my gut tells me that defunding will somehow result in more blacks and mexicans. Oh well, who knows. :1orglaugh

If ACA were socialized universal healthcare, that would be true, but the so-called "donut holes" mean that millions of Americans do not qualify for ACA coverage. Yeah, your insurance went up, but that was to make the insurance billionaires richer, not to help people.

Plus prescriptions prices have gone up so much now that copays with insurance now often exceed cash patient prices of just a few years ago.

So funding financial support for young women who are knocked up is wasteful spending?

The Republican party is getting it's panties in a bunch over an issue that has been decided a decades ago. What is the best possible outcome here? I only see three possible outcomes. (1) They defund Planned Parenthood, which results in a lot of young women having children out of wedlock and no support for them, (2) They shut down the government (again), and then (3) the fail to defund Planned Parent hood and look like idiots again.

The Republican party continues to back itself into corners which only has bad endings for them. Their support for this dumb county clerk is another perfect example. There is only two endings for this women - she either goes back to jail or she allows gay marriages, either of which is a fail for those who support her.

Another example is Obamacare. Instead of fixing it, the Republican party vowed to destroy it. Again, this goes one of two ways and either way the Republican party comes out with mud on their face - Either they win and kill Obamacare resulting in tens of millions of people loosing their healthcare, or they fail to kill Obamacare and look stupid in the process.

The Republican party needs to stop backing itself into corners where they come out as losers. The Republican party - and the American population in general - should not even be discussing defunding a group that supports young women who need help the most.

Rochatd, you can't read and think this is about beating me at something so I'm not at all inclined to waste my time with all that.

And if I understand correctly, the Republicans just lost this battle, and Planned Parenthood will be funded. Once again the Republican party invested time, effort, money, and political capital, in a effort they shouldn't have even bothered with.... And lost.

John Boehner was an unpopular man within his own party. What always amazes me is how hardcore dems say things like "he should have just gotten out of the way of progress" i.e. that he should have supported the dems party line.

Think a minute - if he had, would he ever have been elected, much less allowed to be speaker? The members of his party expect him to fight for *their* ideals.

His inability to effectively counter the dems, when he had a clear, large majority in the house and a majority in the senate was what made him unpopular. Today the speaker can't be a backroom drinker like Boehner - he (or she) needs to be a mini-president.

Stop being disingenuous. This has NOTHING to do with small government. It's an anti-abortion crusade.

The people Planned Parenthood reaches out to don't have family doctors they've been seeing for years that they can confide in whether they're covered by Obamacare or not. These kids know that Planned Parenthood provides counseling for exactly their situations, they can reach out to PP without embarrassment or shame.

And stop invoking the Founding Fathers, they were extremely rational men that you insult with your irrational wacko belief that if they were resurrected from their graves that they would think and behave as if they were still stuck in the 18th century.

Meh..... I think maybe its time I and others went easier on you, cupcake. You're clearly delusional, and I think maybe you need our help.

Here's a hug.

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Have a nice day.

See, that's a non-answer, cupcake. Rochard made a great point. You should try admitting you're wrong or you made a mistake once in a while. Only once you lose the hate, and especially the hate you feel for yourself, can you truly begin to love again.

Fa la la.... ;)

i wasn't wrong dipshit.

here's my comment again, i'm quoting it to rub your fuckwad nose in it because it has nothing to do with abortions or republicans.

fuck you fuckwad

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ftr: title X, for those who don't have a doctor or not covered under obamacare:::::::::::::::::::::::

The Title X Family Planning Program, officially known as Public Law 91-572 or “Population Research and Voluntary Family Planning Programs” was enacted under President Richard Nixon in 1970 as part of the Public Health Service Act.

Title X is the only federal grant program dedicated solely to providing individuals with comprehensive family planning and related preventive health services. Title X is legally designed to prioritize the needs of low-income families or uninsured people (including those who are not eligible for Medicaid) who might not otherwise have access to these health care services.

These services are provided to low-income and uninsured individuals at reduced or no cost. Its overall purpose is to promote positive birth outcomes and healthy families by allowing individuals to decide the number and spacing of their children. The other health services provided in Title X-funded clinics are integral in achieving this objective.

You think I have "wacko" beliefs?

The Founding Fathers were far more intelligent than you are and would have a fit if they saw how govt. is controlling our lives.

I do agree that the defunding of Planned Parenthood is based on the right wing political gains with religious wacko's.

But that has nothing to do with the core that the govt. had no business funding it in the first place. It's a private business.
And it makes lots of money all on it's own and the people running it are making more money in a year than you have made in the last ten years.

It's not a charity. The leaders of Planned Parenthood pay themselves nice big salary's.

The taxpayers shouldn't be paying that. And the federal govt. should stick to doing what was laid out in the constitution and not try to have their hands in everything.

$500 million a year is a lot cheaper than what it costs to keep the children, then funding them as adults who will go on to have more children.

All a big population does is create more mouths to feed. In the 21st Century is has nothing to do with wealth creation.

Is that all the evidence you have?

As for making money, isn't that the GOP way? Reduces the burden on the taxpayers.

There are certain things that can't be left to business to run or decide. Policing, Justice, Prisons, Healthcare, Education, Defences, Border Controls, being top of the list. Governing the country being number one.

Once a country does give these sectors over to big businesses to run the people come second and profits come first. A US National Health Scheme would save Americans Billions a month.

Every person earning under a certain wage is a drag on the economy. They are unable to pay their share of taxes to keep the country running. An inflated population, with a large percentage at the bottom is expensive, they need benefits, housing, healthcare, education, policing, prisons, Justice, lawyers, etc.

This is why Trump is winning the argument on keeping out unskilled migrants. What's the point of keeping migrants out if the resident population is exploding?

You won't find many middle class families with unplanned children they can't care for.

Oh they are investing even more tax payers money and time. They are going to start an investigation..

It's gonna be the new Benghazi..

It's amazing how much money they aste over stupid shit. Then have to gull to bitch and moan some more over wasted tax dollars.

It's ok, cupcake. I forgive you. I know you don't know any better.

Oh boy it's "Robbie's World" again, where he comes up with off the wall shit that relates to nothing. Hey Robbie Republicans didn't win more seats because they did a "good job" they won because Democrats stayed home and didn't vote..

This is what happens in low turn out elections, it favors Republicans because their voters tend to be very "team" orientated. Also this has not a fucking thing to do with small govt. it's Typical right wingers trying to tell people what they can do in a "free country". They want to impose their religious ideals on everyone else.

Only in Robbie's world's would low turns outs equal Rewards..

You are spinning crockett.

That is perfectly said.

This is an anti-abortion crusade. The entire abortion debate is one that has been fought. This battle the Republicans tried to wage is more of the same, and this lost yet again. Not only did they not stop funding for Planned Parenthood, but it seems the Republicans have failed to force a shut down of the government. They painted themselves into a corner again and no matter what happened they would have come out with mud on their face. Best case was no funding for Planned Parenthood, which would have resulted in millions of young woman having no place to turn to for ANY kind of prenatal medical treatment.

Not necessarily. Lots of people are too poor to qualify for Obamacare, but too "rich" for medicaid. Hence, most of them have no insurance whatsoever. They're the ones who would suffer the most if Planned Parenthood was deep-sixed.

Wait a minute...I thought that ObamaCare covered everybody. If you were "too poor" to pay for you own insurance...the govt. subsidizes it for you.

And there was a crazy thing that people used to believe back when I was young: It was called "Personal responsibility".
What a strange concept.

People could actually use birth control methods instead of just fucking bareback with no birth control pill or condom. And then NOT have children that they can't afford.

Then there would be zero chance of anybody having to "suffer" as you put it.

But then...they wouldn't be able to get those govt. checks for those children now would they? :winkwink:

Also...I would like to point out that the govt. de-funding Planned Parenthood would NOT "deep six" it.
The company makes plenty of money and would still continue to operate just fine. Some of the high paid executives of Planned Parenthood might have to scale back their huge salaries and their lifestyle a bit though.

I was curious, did some quick checking. The CEO makes just under $600k. The managers of the individual affiliates salaries are listed below. Not too shabby.

There is a Planned Parenthood in my hometown, roughly 60,000 people. I'm trying to see what that CEO makes but cannot find it, if that person makes over $100k that is a very nice salary in that area. Although if you read that quote again, it looks like 13% of them do not make the six figure mark.

I have a hard time taking anyone with Kid Rock in their avatar seriously, but here goes...

Planned Parenthood is a conservative's wet dream. All of those abortions lower welfare. Planned Parenthood tends to have locations in poorer areas.

They also will not "do just fine" without the funding. Federal funding accounts for about a third of their budget. I have first hand experience here as my company printed and mailed their giving campaigns. I was the account executive, which means I met with their senior Baltimore management quite often. People do not give as much as you'd imagine and PP provides services regardless of one's ability to pay.

From wiki:

They've received federal funding since 1970. Guess who started it? Republican Richard Nixon. Republicans passed it because they saw it as a way to keep people off welfare.

We're talking about $500 million a year for a program that does good, when we waste hundreds of billions on absolutely nothing.

Once again, this is the far right corrupting our government. Roe v. Wade settled the abortion issue. We're supposed to have separation of church and state.

Yet the religious right is trying to shut down the government over $500 million in a $3.9 TRILLION federal budget.

Government shutdowns cost money. We could be looking at another $24 billion in costs over a $500 million line item the religious right is curious over. Fucking ridiculous.

Here is a great article on it.

Although we now have more Americans than ever before who have healthcare, ten percent of Americans do not have healthcare. You have to remember that at any given point in time, a certain percentage of people will not have healthcare - college students, people unemployed, homeless, people in transition.

One would imagine that the people most likely to use Planned Parenthood would be the same people who would most likely not have healthcare.

I would argue just the opposite really. When "our generation" was younger there was no "personal responsibility" and birth control was rather limited and difficult to get. Our generation created latchkey children and single parents and saw the rise of HIV and AIDS.

And telling people not to have babies they cannot afford is a bit silly. It's not that people cannot afford to have babies, but more that they don't want to. For some people they might believe they are two young or too focused on their careers, yet others might be older, married, and maybe they just don't want another kid. Yet other people are not married and do not want to have a child out of wedlock, or perhaps they don't want to have a child with their current mate for what ever reason.

Also, birth control is not 100% effective. What if you are on birth control, did everything right, and still had a baby?

These are highly personal decisions that people need to make - but someone else's beliefs should not decide what a young woman does with their body.


I don't know how much Planned Parenthood makes or how much their management staff makes. Just seems to me like it should be common sense our government should support an organization that helps people who fall through the cracks. Help them now, or pay to support them later.

If we want to have a serious argument about if the government should financially support Planned Parenthood, we should have that discussion for the right reasons - not because a group of people who do not believe in abortion made a video using a prematurely born baby while claiming it was an abortion while an imaginary doctor's voice says "let's keep the baby alive so we can use it's heart". This video was a complete fabrication and it's stunning that people believe it.

yes, as i was alluding to earlier. seems no one has a metric, though.

Indeed. I wonder what the founding fathers would think of said video. Maybe Robbie can channel them for us again. :1orglaugh

Right wingers on the wrong side of history AGAIN.

I don't presume to try and guess what the founding fathers would have thought of social issues. Quite frankly they were very liberal minded on those matters. Especially Jefferson and Ben Franklin.

What I DO know is that they believed in a limited federal govt. and the citizens having control over their own lives.

If you don't believe that and think the govt. is supposed to be a "nanny state" and fund everything for people...that is your right.

But being a smartass to me and trying to say I'm "channeling" the founding fathers so you can feel good about your opinion is just stupid.
Our country was founded on certain enduring principals of thought.

Yes, the details change over time. But the core base of it remains true. And I do believe that the Founding Fathers would be disgusted by what has happened to their vision of a "New World Order" in which the people would be in charge as opposed to being ruled over by the govt.

One thing I can say with certainty is that you are 100% dead wrong in saying I 'tried' to say you were channelling the founding fathers 'so i could fell good about my opinion'. What makes you think I was trying to feel good about my opinion? Hell, I'm not even sure what my motivation was in making the comment. Maybe I was just trying to pass the time and make a little conversation, it's really hard to say, but I do know for a fact that it was not 'so I could feel good about my opinion'. Making the comment had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on 'how I feel about my opinion', whatever that opinion may be. So you made a blatantly incorrect assumption as to the reasoning behind my statement. That is a fact. Now tell me, if in a conversation including both you and I on a shared forum in 2015, you cannot make a correct assumption as to what I am saying, how am I or is anyone supposed to believe that you'd be able to correctly interpret what the founding fathers said over 200 years ago in what was a vastly different culture? And even if you could, why would it matter?

That's ironic.

This is exactly what this discussion is all about - letting women have controls over their body. Not trying to shut down Planned Parenthood, who, in the ultimate irony, is EXACTLY what Planned Parenthood does. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "Oh, you got knocked up, let's have an abortion". Planned Parenthood helps young mothers make educated decisions, and help with breast and cervical cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling,and contraception.

Why would anyone want to shut down that down or not fund them?