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Ribbet Hog 09-27-2015 05:18 PM

Fuck Ya...

Robbie 09-27-2015 08:15 PM

jimmycooper I have no fucking idea what you are trying to say. lol

And I don't really give a damn either. You made a smartass comment to me in which YOU assumed things about me.
I could really give a damn what you think about my thoughts. Hope that's good enough for you.

I don't want to argue with you, but then again...I didn't enter a discussion and make a post trying to make you look foolish. You did that to me for absolutely no reason.

I have said what I believe. I am for smaller govt., more freedom, less govt. telling us how to live our lives, and less of the govt. invading other countries and in a constant state of war.

Pretty sure my feelings on govt. are in the same ballpark as the men who founded our country and wrote the constitution.
Doesn't matter if you don't think so. Doesn't matter if you think that the Founding Fathers would be perfectly happy with the govt. we have now.

I am more than happy to discuss issues and debate, and even bust balls back and forth. I'm just a little perplexed that you decided to get all personal with me out of the blue and try to insinuate something about me that isn't true.

Robbie 09-27-2015 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20590489)
That's ironic.

This is exactly what this discussion is all about - letting women have controls over their body. Not trying to shut down Planned Parenthood, who, in the ultimate irony, is EXACTLY what Planned Parenthood does. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "Oh, you got knocked up, let's have an abortion". Planned Parenthood helps young mothers make educated decisions, and help with breast and cervical cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling,and contraception.

Why would anyone want to shut down that down or not fund them?

I have you on ignore...but decided to look at what you typed.

Number one: The Federal Govt. has no business funding these types of things. I don't care what they do.

Also...Planned Parenthood does indeed "help" with breast cancer. You know how they "help"? Of course you don't. Because you haven't bothered to use Google to find out.

They REFER women to a doctor to get a mammogram. Planned Parenthood doesn't do those.
In other words...most women would simply ask their own gynecologist who to see OR do search for facilities that do mammograms. BUT...some women do go to Planned Parenthood under the mistaken idea that they do them, then they get sent to a place that actually DOES it.

And yes...they still have to use their ObamaCare to pay for it.

Bottom line is...is Planned Parenthood a "good" thing. Yeah, I think so.

Should the taxpayers being paying for it? Hell no. Our govt. not only should not pay for it, but the govt. has an 18 TRILLION dollar debt and needs to stop spending money.

crockett 09-28-2015 09:02 AM

The funny thing about his resignation, is its now very clear (as if it wasn't already to anyone with a brain) that the Republican Party is completely dysfunctional. In fact, I can remember Robbie and a few other far right radicals here on GFY tell everyone how the govt shut down was Obama's fault and generally how anytime he' couldn't come to agreement with Republicans it was his fault.. (It's never a 2 way street, Republicans have no blame in Robbie's world only Obama, Obama)

This just shows how out of touch with reality Robbie is, as even the Republican Party can't work with one another, much less can Obama work with them. It seems half the Republicans are in la la land with Robbie and can't find their head from their asshole..

Meanwhile just like in this topic, Robbie can't stop whining about Obama, planned parenthood or what ever the current right wing fake outrage is for this month. It's welcome to Robbie's world, where what ever the right whine of the week is, gets blamed for everything..

I'm betting Robbie stands outside of post offices on weekend carrying the Obama with the Hitler mustache posters...

Robbie 09-28-2015 09:56 AM

Damn you are obsessed with me aren't you crockett. lol

"far right radical"? LOL!

Yeah, that's me...the guy who is pro-choice, anti-drug war, and an actual pornographer.

"crockett science" at it's finest!

ilnjscb 09-28-2015 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20590971)
The funny thing about his resignation, is its now very clear (as if it wasn't already to anyone with a brain) that the Republican Party is completely dysfunctional. In fact, I can remember Robbie and a few other far right radicals here on GFY tell everyone how the govt shut down was Obama's fault and generally how anytime he' couldn't come to agreement with Republicans it was his fault.. (It's never a 2 way street, Republicans have no blame in Robbie's world only Obama, Obama)

This just shows how out of touch with reality Robbie is, as even the Republican Party can't work with one another, much less can Obama work with them. It seems half the Republicans are in la la land with Robbie and can't find their head from their asshole..

Meanwhile just like in this topic, Robbie can't stop whining about Obama, planned parenthood or what ever the current right wing fake outrage is for this month. It's welcome to Robbie's world, where what ever the right whine of the week is, gets blamed for everything..

I'm betting Robbie stands outside of post offices on weekend carrying the Obama with the Hitler mustache posters...

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20591025)
Damn you are obsessed with me aren't you crockett. lol

"far right radical"? LOL!

Yeah, that's me...the guy who is pro-choice, anti-drug war, and an actual pornographer.

"crockett science" at it's finest!

Crockett my bro have you ever met a real far right radical? In real life? I have, and they are not anything like Robbie or anyone on this board (based solely on what is posted). I consider you a somewhat reasonable, mid-stream, average liberal based on your positions and debate methodology. Have you ever met a hard-core far left radical? Seek either one out sometime, and let us know what you think.

HookUPcom 09-28-2015 10:23 AM

Time to resign
 
Seems the radical right has gotten too much for him and instead of letting them pressure him into a govt shut down he's chosen to resign......And promote with best!


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AmeliaG 09-28-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20590289)
Wait a minute...I thought that ObamaCare covered everybody. If you were "too poor" to pay for you own insurance...the govt. subsidizes it for you.

And there was a crazy thing that people used to believe back when I was young: It was called "Personal responsibility".
What a strange concept.

People could actually use birth control methods instead of just fucking bareback with no birth control pill or condom. And then NOT have children that they can't afford.

Then there would be zero chance of anybody having to "suffer" as you put it.

But then...they wouldn't be able to get those govt. checks for those children now would they? :winkwink:

Also...I would like to point out that the govt. de-funding Planned Parenthood would NOT "deep six" it.
The company makes plenty of money and would still continue to operate just fine. Some of the high paid executives of Planned Parenthood might have to scale back their huge salaries and their lifestyle a bit though.


Unfortunately, GregE is correct. ACA fails to help people in the "donut hole" of having too much for welfare and too little for ACA subsidy. For example, a writer who just got a $10k advance for a book would have too much cash on hand for most welfare programs, but, without additional income being assured that year, would not qualify for subsidized insurance.

Sly 09-28-2015 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20591066)
Unfortunately, GregE is correct. ACA fails to help people in the "donut hole" of having too much for welfare and too little for ACA subsidy. For example, a writer who just got a $10k advance for a book would have too much cash on hand for most welfare programs, but, without additional income being assured that year, would not qualify for subsidized insurance.

Many of the "welfare" style programs seem to be set up in a similar fashion.

Picture a little kid that falls into a well and his older brother is on top. The older brother reaches out his hand for the younger brother to pull himself up. Just as the younger brother is near the top, the older brother shouts "you got this far, figure out the rest!" Without that hand to grip onto and nothing else in sight, the younger brother falls back into the well. Older brother comes back a few minutes later "hey what are you doing down there, I helped you out!" Reaches down. Younger brother climbs up. Older brother walks away. Rinse and repeat.

crockett 09-28-2015 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ilnjscb (Post 20591037)
Crockett my bro have you ever met a real far right radical? In real life? I have, and they are not anything like Robbie or anyone on this board (based solely on what is posted). I consider you a somewhat reasonable, mid-stream, average liberal based on your positions and debate methodology. Have you ever met a hard-core far left radical? Seek either one out sometime, and let us know what you think.

Radical Right or Radical left doesn't have to consume everything about someone, they can be normal in most aspects then have completely off the wall ideas about certain topics..

Not every person who is a radical right wingers is running around playing GiJoe with his local militia preparing for when Obama sends FEMA to put them in camps and take away their guns..

Radical Right or left is also a person's views.. Example Ted Cruze is one of the Radical Right members in Congress. Sure he is t crazy on every issue, but yes he certainly is on quite a few..

The entire Benghazi ordeal, the non stop trying to do away with Obamacare.. The fake outrage because Hillary used her own mail server.. The denial of global warming ect..ect..This is all the mindset of radical right wingers.

Robbie is one of the first in line to jump on the bandwagon of every new right wing outrage.


Example of radical left wingers would be the people who want to ban all guns or groups like peta.

Obviously you don't have to run around the woods naked saving trees or throw paint on woman in fur coats to have radical left wing views.. Just the same as you don't have to be some anti govt loon wearing camouflage and carrying a m16 to be a radical right wing views

The diffrence of the two, is the radical right wing views have become mainstream within the Republican Party and their so called independent fan boys.. You don't see the same radicalization of the left.

crockett 09-28-2015 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20591066)
Unfortunately, GregE is correct. ACA fails to help people in the "donut hole" of having too much for welfare and too little for ACA subsidy. For example, a writer who just got a $10k advance for a book would have too much cash on hand for most welfare programs, but, without additional income being assured that year, would not qualify for subsidized insurance.

ACA is far from perfect, but just think if instead of spending 5 years trying to fight it in congress, just think if Republicans had said.. Hey let's help fix it.

nope they won't do that, it's much easy to create fake outrage about how socialist Obama is. For daring to "try" and create a working healthcare system in this country that is affordable for most..

Maybe instead of bitching and whining , Republicans should get off their asses and try to help solve the problems, instead of creating more.

Rochard 09-28-2015 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20590593)
Number one: The Federal Govt. has no business funding these types of things. I don't care what they do.

It's pretty simple - pay for it now or pay for it later. Young women who do not have medical benefits who need medical assistance have some place to go. This organization, partially funded by the governments, helps people in need.

We shouldn't be discussing not funding Planned Parenthood, but instead we should be asking why there isn't another organization for young men to provide medical assistance when needed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20590593)
Also...Planned Parenthood does indeed "help" with breast cancer. You know how they "help"? Of course you don't. Because you haven't bothered to use Google to find out.

They REFER women to a doctor to get a mammogram. Planned Parenthood doesn't do those.
In other words...most women would simply ask their own gynecologist who to see OR do search for facilities that do mammograms. BUT...some women do go to Planned Parenthood under the mistaken idea that they do them, then they get sent to a place that actually DOES it.

And yes...they still have to use their ObamaCare to pay for it.

Bottom line is...is Planned Parenthood a "good" thing. Yeah, I think so.

Truth be told, being as I am not a young women in need of medical assistance, I did not know much about Planned Parenthood. So I googled them. I ended up on Wikipedia, which at one point earlier in this thread I quoted word for word when I mentioned their services.

Your comments are strictly from the Republican political side of things, in reference to comments Obama made in a debate some time ago and was fact checked. You are correct, they refer people out to other doctors for mammograms. However, Planned Parenthood helps women pay for mammograms and in some cases cover the costs for them.

But Planned Parenthood does a lot of other things. According to their site, they do 400k pap smears a year, and nearly five million medical tests for STDs and HIV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20590593)
Should the taxpayers being paying for it? Hell no. Our govt. not only should not pay for it, but the govt. has an 18 TRILLION dollar debt and needs to stop spending money.

Great, let's stop funding all of the nonsense. We should stop all kinds of welfare and social services. I mean, according to you, all of us should be "responsible" and there is no need for the federal or state governments to be providing housing, green stamps, WIC, etc....

Robbie, I don't know you well, but.... I spent my entire weekend working two large charity events I have been a part of for the past few years. Some times people need help. While I have concerns about entire families being raised on welfare and living in section eight housing, sometimes people need short term help. Our government is here to support us, and support those in need; If we can afford to give billions and billions of dollars to other countries surely we can afford $500 million a year for medical support for those in need.

crockett 09-28-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20591025)
Damn you are obsessed with me aren't you crockett. lol

"far right radical"? LOL!

Yeah, that's me...the guy who is pro-choice, anti-drug war, and an actual pornographer.

"crockett science" at it's finest!

It's amazing Robbie dindu nuttins, I mean you didn't come in right off the bat attacking me oh no..

Rochard 09-28-2015 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20590971)
The funny thing about his resignation, is its now very clear (as if it wasn't already to anyone with a brain) that the Republican Party is completely dysfunctional. In fact, I can remember Robbie and a few other far right radicals here on GFY tell everyone how the govt shut down was Obama's fault and generally how anytime he' couldn't come to agreement with Republicans it was his fault.. (It's never a 2 way street, Republicans have no blame in Robbie's world only Obama, Obama)

Oh, it's very clear that the Republican party is having huge problems. They themselves know they need to court two demographics - women and Hispanics. Instead, their front runner has completely pissed off both groups. I mean, what kind of candidate says "Mexcians are rapists"?

crockett 09-28-2015 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20591121)
Oh, it's very clear that the Republican party is having huge problems. They themselves know they need to court two demographics - women and Hispanics. Instead, their front runner has completely pissed off both groups. I mean, what kind of candidate says "Mexcians are rapists"?

Imagine if they just did their jobs instead of courting specific groups while purposely alienating other groups.

Of course if they just did that, they would never get support from the Atta boy conservatives who just want them to complain about Obama..

2MuchMark 09-28-2015 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20590489)
That's ironic.

This is exactly what this discussion is all about - letting women have controls over their body. Not trying to shut down Planned Parenthood, who, in the ultimate irony, is EXACTLY what Planned Parenthood does. Planned Parenthood doesn't say "Oh, you got knocked up, let's have an abortion". Planned Parenthood helps young mothers make educated decisions, and help with breast and cervical cancer screening, HIV screening and counseling,and contraception.

Why would anyone want to shut down that down or not fund them?

YOU, sir, are well read.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20590593)
I have you on ignore...but decided to look at what you typed.

Then, it means you don't really want to ignore him. Ignore him or not its your choice, but really you should just not use the ignore feature if you're going to go around it anyway.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20590593)

Bottom line is...is Planned Parenthood a "good" thing. Yeah, I think so.

Should the taxpayers being paying for it? Hell no. Our govt. not only should not pay for it, but the govt. has an 18 TRILLION dollar debt and needs to stop spending money.

Robby I don't know if what you said above is true, but for the moment let's just say that it is. The screening and costs associated with the care they give is very high and unaffordable for most people. *Of course* the government should pay for it.

Yes the debt is high at 18 Trillion but managing the debt, just like managing your personal or commercial debt, needs to be done very carefully, and not at the cost of human lives.

JustDaveXxx 09-28-2015 01:22 PM

Im not a fan of any of these politicians!!

I got $100 saying that this clown is resigning because some tranny or dude he banged is about to drop a bomb on his political career.

There is nothing I love more that watching these "Telling us how to live" politicians getting caught doing that very thing they are against.

Love shit like this:

Top 16 Anti-Gay Politicians Caught Being Gay: Anti-Gay Activists Out of the Closet


Fuck all of these guys!!!


Just Dave

Robbie 09-28-2015 01:59 PM

Didn't think about that one Dave...you're probably right!

ilnjscb 09-28-2015 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20591099)
Radical Right or Radical left doesn't have to consume everything about someone, they can be normal in most aspects then have completely off the wall ideas about certain topics..

Not every person who is a radical right wingers is running around playing GiJoe with his local militia preparing for when Obama sends FEMA to put them in camps and take away their guns..

Radical Right or left is also a person's views.. Example Ted Cruze is one of the Radical Right members in Congress. Sure he is t crazy on every issue, but yes he certainly is on quite a few..

The entire Benghazi ordeal, the non stop trying to do away with Obamacare.. The fake outrage because Hillary used her own mail server.. The denial of global warming ect..ect..This is all the mindset of radical right wingers.

Robbie is one of the first in line to jump on the bandwagon of every new right wing outrage.


Example of radical left wingers would be the people who want to ban all guns or groups like peta.

Obviously you don't have to run around the woods naked saving trees or throw paint on woman in fur coats to have radical left wing views.. Just the same as you don't have to be some anti govt loon wearing camouflage and carrying a m16 to be a radical right wing views

The diffrence of the two, is the radical right wing views have become mainstream within the Republican Party and their so called independent fan boys.. You don't see the same radicalization of the left.

Radical is a nice way to say "extreme" - it is defined in the political world as someone who supports extreme political views. I don't see you as extreme, but perhaps some would.

"An average 43% of Americans identified politically as independents in 2014, establishing a new high in Gallup telephone poll trends back to 1988. In terms of national identification with the two major parties, Democrats continued to hold a modest edge over Republicans, 30% to 26%."

So the extremes in the dem party support, perhaps, jailing or even execution of the rich assholes who collapsed the financial system. Others say that there can't be such a thing as racism against white people, failing to understand that that statement in itself is in fact racism. Another may (and did) advocate Barack Obama having a 3rd term against constitutional law. Sometimes extreme is stupid, sometimes just dangerous.

Provocateurs are not extreme, they just say they are. Most extreme people on the internet are provocateurs, rather than true believers.

Robbie is not extreme. He is not even a middle of the road republican. He is not a radical republican in his actions, his words, or, I suspect, his thoughts. Although I'm trying to imagine what Robbie thinks and it is not a healthy exercise - I don't recommend it.

Most of us are independants; some like me who tend to support dems, some who want the system to stay locked so neither party can implement its nightmare visions of dystopian society. I'd tend to put Robbie there, in the right leaning independent section.

Enough channeling the grand Paul Markham - wall of text over.

Rochard 09-28-2015 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20591231)
Imagine if they just did their jobs instead of courting specific groups while purposely alienating other groups.

Of course if they just did that, they would never get support from the Atta boy conservatives who just want them to complain about Obama..

This is what blows my mind.... Why are we even having this conversation? Why is the Republican party pushing this agenda? For the love of all things holy, why is the Republican party even considering our government down for any reason no less about not funding a charity organization for all of the wrong reasons.

j3rkules 09-28-2015 03:37 PM

100 John's resignations.

bronco67 09-28-2015 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by epitome (Post 20590298)
I have a hard time taking anyone with Kid Rock in their avatar seriously, but here goes...

Planned Parenthood is a conservative's wet dream. All of those abortions lower welfare. Planned Parenthood tends to have locations in poorer areas.

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They also forget that today's aborted baby could have been the thug that climbs through their bedroom window 18 years from now and clubs them to death in their sleep for some costume jewelry.

2MuchMark 09-28-2015 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jerkules (Post 20591342)
100 John's resignations.

The most important thing, is that he's leaving. He's leaving leaving leaving. Your country will be much better without the tan man.

It looks like it's either Kevin McCarthy or Daniel Webster. I don't know anything about either. Who do you think would be a better speaker?

JustDaveXxx 09-28-2015 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20591286)
Didn't think about that one Dave...you're probably right!

You know this is whats up.


Why give up politics?? Get paid for doing nothing!! Literally do nothing besides get paid by special interests groups to vote . you don't even need to think. Just vote the way you get bribed.


So when any of these dicks resign, there is more to it.

Resign from a job that you make a shit ton in bribes? Or donations to "your Charity" that you get to keep 80% of?


Dirt is coming, just watch!!!


Just Dave

Axeman 09-28-2015 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20591392)
The most important thing, is that he's leaving. He's leaving leaving leaving. Your country will be much better without the tan man.

It looks like it's either Kevin McCarthy or Daniel Webster. I don't know anything about either. Who do you think would be a better speaker?

The funny thing is you rail against the guy who really is a full blown RINO and gave almost everything the Dems and Obama wanted. Its the reason he was about to get vacated in session by a vote in Oct, and resigned to save face.

Kevin McCarthy is a California RINO as well, so very likely will be the guy you should cheer for, as he will give you most of what the Dems want. He likely will have to cow towards the right more or risk himself getting vacated in the same manner.

Daniel Webster is a moderate conservative, but an actual Republican at least. So that is my choice of the two. And probably as far right a Speaker can go right now and be elected by the body.

Axeman 09-28-2015 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 20591397)
You know this is whats up.


Why give up politics?? Get paid for doing nothing!! Literally do nothing besides get paid by special interests groups to vote . you don't even need to think. Just vote the way you get bribed.


So when any of these dicks resign, there is more to it.

Resign from a job that you make a shit ton in bribes? Or donations to "your Charity" that you get to keep 80% of?


Dirt is coming, just watch!!!


Just Dave

He was about to get ousted by vote in October and lose his Speakership. First time in about 100 years that it would have happened. So he resigned to save face instead. He can retire with a 25 year full pension, and then go make a couple million a year on K street working as a liaison for the lobbyists.

2MuchMark 09-28-2015 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman (Post 20591474)
The funny thing is you rail against the guy who really is a full blown RINO and gave almost everything the Dems and Obama wanted. Its the reason he was about to get vacated in session by a vote in Oct, and resigned to save face.

Kevin McCarthy is a California RINO as well, so very likely will be the guy you should cheer for, as he will give you most of what the Dems want. He likely will have to cow towards the right more or risk himself getting vacated in the same manner.

Daniel Webster is a moderate conservative, but an actual Republican at least. So that is my choice of the two. And probably as far right a Speaker can go right now and be elected by the body.

Hi Ax,

I don't get it. What's a RINO? And what do you mean he got most of what the dems want? To me it looks like he blocked almost everything Obama and the dems wanted. He also wasted a shitload of time and money trying to repeat Obamacare (55 times or something like that).

And then there are gems like this:

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/w...9.28.23-AM.png

Just a total dick.

Axeman 09-28-2015 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20591502)
Hi Ax,

I don't get it. What's a RINO? And what do you mean he got most of what the dems want? To me it looks like he blocked almost everything Obama and the dems wanted. He also wasted a shitload of time and money trying to repeat Obamacare (55 times or something like that).

And then there are gems like this:

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/w...9.28.23-AM.png

Just a total dick.

Republican in Name Only. RINO. You could not get a better Speaker if you were a Democrat. If the conservatives in the party didn't at least keep him somewhat honest, you'd think he was Pelosi in drag. There is a reason he is hated by real Republicans and Conservatives and was about to lose his Speakership before he quit.

If you think you are going to get more of the Dem agenda passed with a new Speaker, you are in for a shock. But McCarthy is the guy you want for at least 80% of what Boehner gave you. And that is only cause of the conservatives, making him be more conservative or he will lose his Speakership very quickly. Otherwise he'd be just like Boehner. Webster it would be probably more like 50%.

crockett 09-28-2015 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmeliaG (Post 20589451)
If ACA were socialized universal healthcare, that would be true, but the so-called "donut holes" mean that millions of Americans do not qualify for ACA coverage. Yeah, your insurance went up, but that was to make the insurance billionaires richer, not to help people.

Plus prescriptions prices have gone up so much now that copays with insurance now often exceed cash patient prices of just a few years ago.

That's because when universal healthcare was on the table Republicans wouldn't agree with it. Instead of sticking to his guns, Obama attempted to appease them with a half assed version.

As for prescriptions prices being insane in this country, well that's because there is no regulation on their prices like every other modern country in the world has.. I mean fuck even Mexico stops drug companies from price gouging but not in MERICA.. Because.. FREEDOM and well...I'll let you guess who is against regulations....

Robbie 09-28-2015 11:24 PM

They are all against it because Big Pharma spends so much money on lobbyists.

Remember the first thing that was done when ACA was being written? The President brought in the heads of the big pharmaceutical companies and told them that it would be business as usual for them. That was one of the first reports about what was happening in 2009 when it was being written.

It was difficult to know exactly what was going on because even though President Obama promised that the health care bill would be written while being televised LIVE on CSPAN so there would be total transparency to the American people...that turned out to be just another lie told on the campaign trail. :(
And we ended up with Pelosi pressuring the Democrats to vote for it first and THEN read it. :(

Hardly a case of the President "appeasing Republicans". Since no Republicans or Dems had even READ the damn thing before it was passed on a party-line vote.
In other words...no Republicans voted for it.
So there was no "appeasement" by Obama.

Google it up. Look at the news from that time period. It's not hard to find.

AmeliaG 09-29-2015 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20591096)
Many of the "welfare" style programs seem to be set up in a similar fashion.

Picture a little kid that falls into a well and his older brother is on top. The older brother reaches out his hand for the younger brother to pull himself up. Just as the younger brother is near the top, the older brother shouts "you got this far, figure out the rest!" Without that hand to grip onto and nothing else in sight, the younger brother falls back into the well. Older brother comes back a few minutes later "hey what are you doing down there, I helped you out!" Reaches down. Younger brother climbs up. Older brother walks away. Rinse and repeat.

That is a tragically apt analogy. Those systems are basically traps, when they should be trampolines in a compassionate society.

_Richard_ 09-29-2015 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Far-L (Post 20589327)
(Agree in whole)

But... It should be pointed out that the video in question was a highly edited propaganda piece with a specific hatchet job to accomplish that distorts the facts wildly.

the video i saw didn't seem very edited, and the language being used was both disturbing and worth looking at.

that being said, i disagree with it being used as a political tool to defund PP


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