The unemployment rate doesn't reflect the true amount of people out of work. Right now there are less people working than when Obama took office in the middle of a recession. The Recession was over according to the government 5 months after Obama took office.

I wrote this earlier, go ahead, please check my numbers, but please stop telling us everything is ok based on a BS number

Or you can look at this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_c...idential_terms

Jobs created during Obama presidency, we'll round up to 8 million jobs

Increase in population 14.2 million

Just saw another example of the media at work this morning.

Remember during the 2008 election how the media hailed Obama as a "genius" for using Twitter?

Well, today Trump announced that he will be live tweeting during the Democrat debate tonight.
And CNN's reaction just moments ago?

They were ridiculing him for it.

Funny how when Obama used Twitter to a small degree...he was revolutionary and visionary.
When Trump is about to use it in a big way? They make fun of him.

That was then... This is now.

If you love Trump so much, why don't you have sex with him?

The unemployment rate has always been the standard we have used.

In the past decade four people in my family have moved out of the labor participation force. This has nothing to do with the economy, and everything to do with age. My parents and my in-laws didn't "quit looking for work", they retired.

The truth is the labor participation rate has been declining for some time now, and will continue to decline:

Bureau of Labor Statistics, November 2006: Every year after 2000, the rate declined gradually, from 66.8 percent in 2001 to 66.0 percent in 2004 and 2005. According to the BLS projections, the overall participation rate will continue its gradual decrease each decade and reach 60.4 percent in 2050.

(factcheck.org)

Again, nothing to do with the economy, and everything to do with the general age of our citizens. The truth is this is nothing more than finding a stat that looks bad and saying "here is proof our economy is crappy". The GOP has even given up on saying the economy is bad; While the economy can "always be better", it's not bad right now.

The labor participation rate will continue to decline no matter what happens with the economy in the next four, ten, or twenty years. This is because our population is getting older, and living longer:

Between 2012 and 2050, the United States will experience considerable growth in its older population (see Figure 1).2 In 2050, the population aged 65 and over is projected to be 83.7 million, almost double its estimated population of 43.1 million in 2012. The baby boomers are largely responsible for this increase in the older population, as they began turning 65 in 2011.3 By 2050, the surviving baby boomers will be over the age of 85.

(census.gov)

I'm sorry, but the labor participation rate has little to do with the economy - which is doing fine.

Why are you even commenting?

I will repeat: This is about the media influencing elections instead of reporting on them. Your childish comment directed at me adds nothing to the conversation.

I wonder if Trump takes his hair off during sex?

Except for one thing proving you are wrong, the workforce participation rate for those 54 and under has gone down, 55 and up has gone up, yes up. Disproving your theory and the theories of those trying to come up with a plausible excuse for this.

Here check it for yourself

Civilian labor force participation rates by age, sex, race, and ethnicity

LOL!

Robbie I think you are in love with Donald Trump. I think you have a serious bro crush on the guy. You love him so much you are completely blind to just what a terrible candidate he really is. But instead of accept the fact that he says one stupid thing after another after another, you choose instead to "blame the media" for making him look bad.

I'll say it again - he media isn't trying to make him look like a complete stupid fucking idiot - Donald Trump is doing this all by himself.

Okay, **********...again, this isn't about Robbie. I am not a politician, I am not running for President and I'm not one of the media trying to influence the election.

The media isn't trying to make Trump look like an idiot. They are trying to drive him out of the race completely before voters even have a chance to vote for him at all.

I'm not "blaming the media for making him look bad". He obviously doesn't look bad as the front runner since almost the minute he got in the race.

I pointed out in my first post the blatant attempt that was just tried the other day. You are choosing to ignore that and continue to try and make the post about me or about Trump.

It's not about either thing.

It's about the media.

And yeah, I get it. You think the media is just reporting the news and not trying to shape the election.
When Fox News goes after Trump, you think it's just fine.
But when they go after Hillary...you don't think it's so great anymore.

You literally are thinking about this subject matter in a very, very small way.

The media shouldn't be trying to drive anyone out. Not Hillary, and not Trump.

They should simply REPORT the actual news. Not "he said, she said" crap that belongs in the National Enquirer trash magazines.

I think you're a smart guy. And the fact that you simply can't see what I am clearly pointing out just shows how much trouble our society is in. Even though you are Canadian, your thoughts on this mirror a lot of people's thoughts here in the U.S..

It's the same old "team sports" mentality that is destroying the United States and making elections more of a joke than ever.

Let's see.... The largest growth was people aged 75 - 79 which had a 4.4% growth from 2002 -2012. Meanwhile, ages from 16-54 ALL showed a drop during that same age period. Basically, while our population is getting bigger the amount of people of working age is getting smaller, while the people who are either retired or about to retire is getting larger. Our population is getting older.

http://content.screencast.com/users/...10-13_1324.png

And did you read the report mentioned above the numbers?

Labor force projections to 2022: the labor force participation rate continues to fall : Monthly Labor Review: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

In the first 12 years of the 21st century, the growth of the population has slowed and labor force participation rates generally have declined. As a result, labor force growth also has slowed. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) projects that the next 10 years will bring about an aging labor force that is growing slowly, a declining overall labor force participation rate, and more diversity in the racial and ethnic composition of the labor force.

This has nothing to do with the economy, and every thing to do with our population. The labor population has been in decline

LOL, they said the same thing when Carter was president, then Reagan took office and proved them all wrong. Again, you pointed out that baby boomers are retiring, when in fact, participation rate for that demographic is UP!

Projections? I'm looking at the facts, 600k less people are working now than when Obama took office in a middle of a recession !

People over 75 growth is a good thing? Really?

Her's a recent article on this subject of participation rate.

If nearly 40% of Americans aren?t working, what are they doing? - Yahoo Finance

i thought that's funny :glugglug

The high unemployment rate was over 10 percent when Ronnie took office. When he left it was 5.4%. Right now the unemployment rate is 5.1%.

So basically what you just said is that Obama has done better than Reagan did when it comes to unemployment.

Where did you get that? The unemployment rate doesn't mean anything!

Obama slashed unemployment by 50%? That's pretty impressive, no wonder people like him so much :)

That is not what I said, but that is true.

I said during Reagan the unemployment was over 10% at one point, then dropped down to 5.5%.

http://content.screencast.com/users/...10-14_0917.png

It's very similar under Obama. The high was October 2009 - in the middle of a recession - and now the unemployment rate is 5.1%.

http://content.screencast.com/users/...10-14_0919.png

I am not a Democratic and I could really care less about Obama. What we needed to come out of the recession was a cool and steady hand, that's what we got, and we are exactly where we had hoped to be. Even the GOP has dropped the entire "We need to fix the economy" routine. No matter what anyone says, we are at 5.1% unemployment. This is great news. But instead we have people trying to poke holes in this with some silly stat like the "labor participation rate". The labor participation has been declining for the past decade, and will continue to decline for the next twenty years or more. The labor participation rate is going to decline no matter what the economy does.

Tell you what. I'll say that probably, Fox News is making him look bad and drive him out, because he has a grief with them as well as other reasons. Here in Canada at least, the news just reports what he says without any commentary (at least on CTV and CBC). So when I say he makes himself look bad, this is what I mean.

It's about SOME media, and its 99% about him. Fair enough?

No no nooooOOooo... of course there is Bias in media, especially American media, and especially lots of extra creamy bias on Fox. I'm just trying to say that saying "all media is destroying trump" is not fair nor accurate. Instead, SOME media is trying to destroy Trump, and Trump is not helping himself because he is destroying himself too.

Not true at all. Fox News is Fox News. They say what they are told to say. I know you know that - so does everyone. You and I are in complete agreement I think when it comes to Fox.

I completely agree.

Well wait - you have made a lot of assumptions about me that are wrong. Just because I have a difference of opinion with you on 1 subject doesn't mean I disagree with you on everything. For example, just because I think sustainable renewable energy is important should not necessarily mean I should be painted as an evil liberal.

Peace.

Mark, I have pointed out over and over examples of how the media has gone after Trump and that the RNC wants him out because they can't control him.

You keep referring to Trump acting dumb...who cares about that? That's not what I'm talking about at all. The media has been negative to Trump since day one. And they have endlessly predicted negative things about him that have all turned out to be 100% wrong at every turn.

I have pointed out blatant and transparent attempts by the media to derail his campaign, but you are just ignoring that.

As for Fox News doing what they are told to...that is my point. And so is CNN and MSNBC. They are all three being told to take Trump out. And all of them are failing.

Which is why I'm pointing this out.

At least in the past they put up a pretense. But Trump has the RNC so scared that all bets are off now. And the media is just openly going after him.

It's pretty obvious when you watch how they "report" on Trump.

And the good news is: It's not working anymore. The people are learning to no longer trust what the media is trying to sell to them.

My hope is that it will cause enough of a backlash to get some reforms done within the media. This kind of thing should not be tolerated by our citizens.

He seems bulletproof.

However I'm waiting for him to finally say something that is so far over the line that the bottom will fall out.

If this guy becomes President I'm looking for a new country to be a citizen of. He would be a disaster.

So far he's hardly put forth any tangible ideas and those that he has are ridiculous and impossible to carry out.

Sigh..... one more time. Is SOME media trashing trump? Yes of course. My entire point from the very beginning, Robbie, is that TRUMP is trashing TRUMP. You don't need "the media" to tell you he says stupid things. All you have to do is listen to him.

Agreed
 

I would agree!

Trump doesn't need much help.

But it's obvious that both the mainstream media and the political parties are scared shitless of him.

Almost makes me want him, but not quite.

It's just amazing that ********** is so caught up in his bias that he can't see what the media is doing. "Some" of them are attacking him?
Jesus Christ.
Trump has proven that if he's one thing...it's that he is not for sale. And he's pointed out that EVERY other candidate on both sides of this 2 team sport are all bought and paid for.
He is scaring the hell out of the REAL powers that be in this country.

The media (ALL of them) are doing what they are told: Take Trump out.

And yeah, I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of Trump's support is based solely on an anti-media gut feeling that people have.
They know they've been lied to, and they are sick and tired of it. (well, not folks who have blinders on like **********)