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cordoba 04-07-2018 06:22 AM

It would be great if a bonafide company like Pimproll, Badoink, or Reality Lovers bought them out and then paid the money owed to NR affiliates. Naughty America certainly has a lot of good VR content. The problem I guess is that VR is progressing rapidly, moving already to 5K for example, that that existing content might be close to worthless in a couple of years. And given the continued disapointing lack of growth in the VR market, I doubt very much any company has the money at the moment to buy them out AND pay off all their affiliate debt.

TheMaster 04-07-2018 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22249020)
They are pissing off their members too now

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/..._out_existing/

http://www.pornusers.com/replies_vie...=106677#106719

reading their angry customer reviews, it seems like they are giving new members access to 100 old scenes and if you want to see new videos, you need to pay extra for every channel eg My Dad's Hot Girlfriend, My Friend's Hot Girl, I Have a Wife, ...

they really seem to be pissing off consumers (also on NA forum), feels like a mistake as big as the one Digg made, will they end up the same way?

Adraco 04-07-2018 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cordoba (Post 22249826)
It would be great if a bonafide company like Pimproll, Badoink, or Reality Lovers bought them out and then paid the money owed to NR affiliates. Naughty America certainly has a lot of good VR content. The problem I guess is that VR is progressing rapidly, moving already to 5K for example, that that existing content might be close to worthless in a couple of years. And given the continued disapointing lack of growth in the VR market, I doubt very much any company has the money at the moment to buy them out AND pay off all their affiliate debt.

Why would a new buyer "waste" money by paying off old/current affiliates what is owed? That's the responsibility of the old/current owner. They have made the sale and profited from it, they pay. Only way a new buyer would pay off the outstanding debt would be if it's included as part of the purchase price but why would the current owner accept that, since they are not paying as it already is.

Lose the dream and get real!

cordoba 04-07-2018 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adraco (Post 22249997)
Why would a new buyer "waste" money by paying off old/current affiliates what is owed? That's the responsibility of the old/current owner. They have made the sale and profited from it, they pay. Only way a new buyer would pay off the outstanding debt would be if it's included as part of the purchase price but why would the current owner accept that, since they are not paying as it already is.

Lose the dream and get real!

I agree I'm dreaming, but maybe a new owner might want to restore the brand and keep the past affiliates happy (or bring them back)?

Also, obviously the law regarding debt and such doesn't apply to the adult biz and us poor subhuman affiliate webmasters, or everybody assumes it doesn't, but doesn't a new owner of a company with existing debts have to take responsibility of those debts?

LizardKing 04-08-2018 10:26 AM

missing 3 payments now...

edit:typo

TheMaster 04-08-2018 05:11 PM

....and first chargeback of a yearly sale, I expect chargebacks to increase because of their new pricing
in past NA had great rebills, guess that might come to an end too

Brian mike 04-11-2018 05:22 AM

Got an email from NATE TAKE DOWN notice even i try to get a hold of them Since a While :helpme :1orglaugh
And of course we have an affiliate account

My name is Nate Glass, and I am a person authorized to act on behalf of
the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed.

Authorized DMCA Agent:
Nate Glass

==================

They ask me to contact [email protected] LOL. The same mike you guys talking about in this thread i guess.

Sent to mike this thread Link and asking him how he want to resolved this :1orglaugh

I gonna start deleting their video anyhow i heard another debt they haved Close to 90K NR Owes to another Board member lol Not too much interest in continuing pushing them traffic.

TheMaster 04-11-2018 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian mike (Post 22251856)
Got an email from NATE TAKE DOWN notice even i try to get a hold of them Since a While :helpme :1orglaugh
And of course we have an affiliate account

My name is Nate Glass, and I am a person authorized to act on behalf of
the owner of an exclusive right that is being infringed.

Authorized DMCA Agent:
Nate Glass

==================

They ask me to contact Mike LOL.

Sent to mike this thread Link and asking him how he want to resolved this :1orglaugh


I gonna strt deleting their video anyhow i hear another Close to 90K NR Owes to another Board member lol

picture gallery or video, one or multiple?

Brian mike 04-11-2018 05:34 AM

I just took down 24 videos. FUCK THAT i have no time to waist with them.

Plenty of other sponsors who want to PAY .. They dont owes me shit but this thread speak Loud about the way they conduct their business :thumbsup

I wondering with the numbers $$ flying around this thread if NR would be under close to 1M in debt to affiliate......

Holy Damage 04-16-2018 04:54 PM

bump.
never forget

RiverDave 04-17-2018 02:29 AM

Now they fucked up with the VR community, too. I guess the end of NA is very near. https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/...er_sluts_with/

TheMaster 04-17-2018 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiverDave (Post 22255141)
Now they fucked up with the VR community, too. I guess the end of NA is very near. https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/...er_sluts_with/

yeah there's also an older bigger post https://www.reddit.com/r/oculusnsfw/..._out_existing/

on NA forum, people are bitching too, people who cancel for first time in a decade

Petra 04-17-2018 06:00 AM

So I've been recruited to help with book keeping and I actually found 2 payments I didn't know about from Oct and Nov. That's the good news.

The bad news is still no email replies from the mails I sent in January/Feb, no new payments and those 2 payments are like a raindrop in the ocean. I'm still working out the books but it looks like it's around $xxx,xxx owed. o-O

TheMaster 04-17-2018 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petra (Post 22255214)
So I've been recruited to help with book keeping and I actually found 2 payments I didn't know about from Oct and Nov. That's the good news.

The bad news is still no email replies from the mails I sent in January/Feb, no new payments and those 2 payments are like a raindrop in the ocean. I'm still working out the books but it looks like it's around $xxx,xxx owed. o-O

$xxx,xxx that would be some great drinking money for King's Day in Amsterdam in 10 days :winkwink:

BigFurry 04-17-2018 11:28 PM

Still haven't been paid either. Not getting any responses to my emails.

Petra 04-18-2018 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMaster (Post 22255433)
$xxx,xxx that would be some great drinking money for King's Day in Amsterdam in 10 days :winkwink:

Indeed! ;-)

Tasty1 04-18-2018 02:30 AM

I removed all the links. Will look for other VR programs. It is 'only' 500 USD, but here that is more than the monthly minimum wage. I linked to this topic on the Facebook group.

RiverDave 04-26-2018 02:27 AM

Well, they terminated my acc and forbade me to promote them further cause I wrote about the troubles on this forum and postet the link to this thread on reddit.

At least they paid me what was owed to this point (so I still have some rev share going, never did PPS, but whatever). I'm done with them. Good luck to you guys.

Hope they change management soon and have a fresh start.

Fat Panda 04-26-2018 05:59 AM

what assholes. no monies in motions

3xmedia 04-26-2018 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bjorn_Tasty1 (Post 22255805)
I removed all the links. Will look for other VR programs. It is 'only' 500 USD, but here that is more than the monthly minimum wage. I linked to this topic on the Facebook group.

:2 cents::thumbsup

LizardKing 04-27-2018 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RiverDave (Post 22259722)
Well, they terminated my acc and forbade me to promote them further cause I wrote about the troubles on this forum and postet the link to this thread on reddit.

At least they paid me what was owed to this point (so I still have some rev share going, never did PPS, but whatever). I'm done with them. Good luck to you guys.

Hope they change management soon and have a fresh start.

So you got paid?
I also offered them to terminate my account and benefit from the customers I've sent if I get my money. Let's see if this works...

MatureKing 04-27-2018 04:01 AM

I sent msg to Scott yesterday. He will be respond me asap?

Tasty1 04-27-2018 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LizardKing (Post 22260236)
So you got paid?
I also offered them to terminate my account and benefit from the customers I've sent if I get my money. Let's see if this works...

No, you must also post your bad experiences on Facebook and gfy.

3xmedia 04-27-2018 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatureKing (Post 22260257)
I sent msg to Scott yesterday. He will be respond me asap?

sure :thumbsup



:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

MatureKing 04-27-2018 08:47 AM

Scott not answer?

blindcat 04-27-2018 10:44 AM

Was paid a couple of days ago by NR. There was a delay in receiving the payments initially, but after submitting a ticket and a few conversations back and forth the full amount was paid out within 24 hours via PP :thumbsup

the source 04-27-2018 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindcat (Post 22260398)
Was paid a couple of days ago by NR. There was a delay in receiving the payments initially, but after submitting a ticket and a few conversations back and forth the full amount was paid out within 24 hours via PP :thumbsup

Where/how did you submit a support ticket? NR doesn't have a ticket system, or does it?

BCPD 04-28-2018 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindcat (Post 22260398)
Was paid a couple of days ago by NR. There was a delay in receiving the payments initially, but after submitting a ticket and a few conversations back and forth the full amount was paid out within 24 hours via PP :thumbsup

Who were you in contact with?

mikeet 04-28-2018 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptainHowdy (Post 20629988)
¿?

quoted for truth

mroad1212 05-01-2018 09:33 AM

:winkwink:

Axeman 05-01-2018 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LizardKing (Post 22260236)
So you got paid?
I also offered them to terminate my account and benefit from the customers I've sent if I get my money. Let's see if this works...

Hope it works out for you. Sucks you have to even offer that to try and get something.

Holy Damage 05-03-2018 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blindcat (Post 22260398)
Was paid a couple of days ago by NR. There was a delay in receiving the payments initially, but after submitting a ticket and a few conversations back and forth the full amount was paid out within 24 hours via PP :thumbsup

Sorry, but too good to be true

Smart Fred 05-07-2018 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Damage (Post 22263709)
Sorry, but too good to be true

Nope, I fully agree that's true if the owner was only owed $2000-$3000 max.

Here's the email I received the opened day after the post I've made here and on XBiz two months ago.

Quote:

Hey Fred,

I was wondering if you had time to speak on the phone regarding your account and balance? Our CFO can not authorize a payment until he can speak with you personally. Let me know if this would be OK and provide your telephone #.

Thank you,
Crystal R. Titgen
When I received it, I was waiting an answer from Crystal from two months so imagine my feelings to receive one just because of my post here.
Sorry, I've got already a CEO to obey on my classic job so I won't let anyone tells me what I should do to get paid on my adult business job.
So here was my answer.

Quote:

Hi Crystal,

As I'm french my english over the phone is not good enough for such a discussion.
Why not discussing through email ?

All affiliates don't understand what's happening with Naughty America from more than a year.
Today I don't understand why I could get a payment and not the others.

If cash flow is the problem, there should have been action taken last year to solve the situation.
Some solutions that could have been decided :
- reducing PPS to $25 intead of $30,
- removing the 3 day trial from the payment options,
- even removing the PPS to only offer revshare.
As none of these solutions have been taken, I'm not even sure cash flow is the problem.

On my regular job, I'm a printing engineer.
I previously worked in companies who had cash flow problems.
The only one who solved their situations are the ones who have taken actions.

What I wonder after reading many affiliates comment is : does Naughty America want to work with affiliates ?

If yes, payments should be made even if delayed and a time delay should be answered to every affiliate.
If no, that's not a problem but it should be loud and clear cause currently nobody understand.

Frederic
Until Petra post here I wasn't sure about how much money they really owed to affiliates. Now that we know Freeones haven't been paid from December we all have confirmation it's true.
I was able to quit being paid cause I was only owed $2000.
My only goal was to get paid and to move on to something else to not fully lose much more in a few months.
Sorry to say that if NA will bankrupt (the earlier the better for anyone of you), new owners won't pay you their debts. That's how it happens in the real business so it will happen the same in the adult one who is a real business too.

Now that's up to you to choose how much amount you want to loose. If nothing is done it could last some more months, even a year or two, and you will loose twice or three times what you are owed.

Unfortunately if you want something to happen that's not here you should say that NA is owing you $xx.xxx.

MatureKing 05-10-2018 03:42 AM

Anybody here Who was answered from New ticket sysytem?

TheMaster 05-10-2018 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MatureKing (Post 22267323)
Anybody here Who was answered from New ticket sysytem?

submitted one a few days ago, but so far no response

for people who need to make a ticket, the link is https://ltiaffiliates.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

NoWhErE 05-10-2018 06:36 AM

I just sent in a ticket as well. Haven't been paid since September and no answers to my emails.

*fingers crossed*

Brian mike 05-10-2018 06:48 AM

Everyone complaining about them should check their website promoting N.R on Lumen data base . We have been amaze to find out THEY Dosen't pay affiliate and on the top of this they are DMCA your website url like a bunch of little bitches they are.

Pull link and removed video is your safe option.

Fuck you Naughty revenue :321GFY

:thumbsup

Zombify 05-15-2018 02:50 PM

I think this ticketing system is just to shut people up. One or two people have been paid to make it appear like they're doing something. They are probably paying the affiliates they like while fucking everyone else over.

BigFurry 05-18-2018 05:17 AM

Still waiting for the payments.

the indigo 05-30-2018 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zombify (Post 22245392)
I'm going to speculate they have been heavily sued and are using affiliate funds to pay it off every month. I know there was a company who had VR patents going after adult VR companies. This seems the most likely reason for the downfall of their affiliate program.

We had issues with them way before VR... This is going on for 2.5+ years!


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