i don't disagree. any choice has its pluses and minuses, potential risks and rewards.

but one thing i really like about Sanders (not mentioned in the OP), is his goals of reducing government. for me, that's a good thing to balance the socialist programs we have. let's not forget, we have quite a large social benefits situation here already.

I actually think Americans could be good with some collective work. Isn't that what socialism is all about? Helping each other? Some collective farming would be good for a large percentage of population so they can begin to respect work and earned wages. I agree with you here. Great idea.

it is odd that you give Hillary a free pass for believing in an old white guy in robes with a beard living in the clouds but rake Carson over the coals for believing pyramids stored grain.

i think the big big big reason i like Sanders is his anti-war stance. i'm sick of all the wars.


not saying he'd keep us out of it all, but he is the only one saying that's what he'd strive to do.

You're back to the pyramid thing? There's no evidence they were used as tombs. That's someone's theory, presented as fact when it isn't. Carson's theory suggests they were used LATER for grain storage, and there is evidence to support this:

A depiction of the Egyptian pyramids as Joseph's granaries appears in a 12th-century mosaic on one of the domes of St. Mark's Basilica in Venice.

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...hhgmqkhvra.jpg

Got anything relevant? I like Bernie, i just don't like his reckless spending plan.

I think you are only looking at the far extreme and bad vs what benefits as a nation we would gain..

First off I can't stand entitlements and I can't stand how some throw the word around about everything. Example most of the right wing tries to call social security "entitlements" which it 100 per fucking cent is not..

Now let's look at education and health care. First of all college debt is now the second largest form of debt in this country, seconded only to home mortgages. That in and of it's self is fucking insane and it's going to destroy this country.

Next, the fact that corporate America has this fixation with college diplomas is also completely fucking ridiclious. You don't need a fucking college education to be a manager but 99.9% of all major corporations require you to have one.. It's fucking stupid and is the root of the problem as to the rise of education costs and the massive debt so some college kid can get a few bucks extra per hour at Taco Bell.

The problem is we aren't equipping kids with the ability to get a job when they leave high school so they go to college thinking that will,solve their problems then still can't get a good job.. We need to be focusing on trade schools and yes that should be a free resource.

You want to be a programmer, then go to a trade school why do you need a 4 year CS degree to program C#? You want to be a machinist, a realtor What the fuck ever.. Well the skills should be obtained at trade schools as a continuing free education after you complete HS.

That is not socialism it's call creating a competent workforce and keeping our county competitive.. It's common sense IMO.

Heath care is also not an entitlement, it's a necessity. Everyone gets sick or needs to see a doctor.. This should be looked at as a basic human right. It sure as hell should not be a for profit industry where the insurance companies do everything possible to not pay for your needed care.

Education and health carecare are not entitlements, it's investing in the future of this country.

I'm sure there is nothing I can say to make you think the guy is crazy if you dont think the pyramids were built as tombs.. you are clearly on his level of thinking..

Have you ever thought of becoming a brain surgan?

i don't agree that higher education is over-emphasized. in fact, you're contradicting yourself because you like to point out how stupid Trump supporters are, the stats on those supporters show they are high school educated only. as another poster pointed out, other countries are cranking out engineers, a lot of engineers. more than US.

Yes, college should still be around for higher education.. Things like doctors, lawyers or as you mentioned engineers. However you shouldn't need a 4 year education to be a lackey shift lead at a distrubtion wharehouse or a manager at Taco Bell and that's the way things have become.

As for Trump, supporters.. I don't think they are stupid because they didn't go to college. I think they are stupid for believing his BS.. Anyone with an ounce of common sense should know he isn't going to deport illegals in mass and he sure as hell isn't building a fucking wall on the boarder.. He is straight up lying and dumb fucks believe it, because it's what they want to hear..

what i love about the OPs topic is that is means that hilary, if nominated, will fail to turn out her base. its funny because there are a lot of left wing people & the poor white trump supporters that totally agree on populist policies, like no more free-trade agreements, raising taxes on certain rich people who bought themselves a break, ending corporate welfare & the governments slavery to lobby money. trump & sander supporters have similar positions, believe it or not.

our first world western society has become so totally dependent on endless oil, water electricity & money, that a severe interruption in any of these infrastructures will cause social calamity that will utterly destroy the emerging PC thought fascism that is turning people into entitled lazy useless blobs who starve to death without their social media. the most likely cause of this will be a crash on wall street that our bloated government can no longer bailout. when the banking system stops functioning, its gonna be a right wing survivalists wet dream!

Buy an AR15 & potable water while you can! :)

Who cares who will be president, when you have a military budget of $ 600 billion a year.
how many already spent for wars? Trump said in the debate that the $ 2 trillion + the annual military budget of 600 billion a year.
PS: Sanders - Sanders will loses, delays a pacifistic segment of voters.

this would make sense, if it, you know, actually made sense.

It does not matter WHO the "President" is.
Haven't we learned this lesson already by now???

i haven't learned that, no. that's because in my experience, that's not the case.

Governments are owned by the people who buy them. If they sell out too much to those who buy them, revolution occurs.

If they sell out too much to those who can't afford to buy them. The rich leave taking their money with them.

It's a tricky balancing act. Marxism is for a time when wealth flowed in from the Third World and so long as it kept coming it would succeed. Russia never had that external wealth and it failed there.

Today wealth is easy to transfer and much of it is in the Third World. Lose that and it will be time to grab your guns. The banks would crash over night if the money from the Third World stopped flowing in.

The people to blame are the Presidents and Prime Ministers who thought it was cool that people could buy a product made by someone on $5 a week, rather than someone on $500 a week. And the Unions for thinking their workers, buying the shirts, were irreplaceable.

Now try and suggest how any President can fix this? Playing too tough with the men who hold all the cards, isn't a good policy.

When I say "Owned by the people who buy them." Think further than big business spending billions to by votes. Think of companies who provide jobs, people who pay a lot of taxes. They also have the freedom to leave.

I would place an empty envelope. That would be my vote since all options suck.

Trump or nothing

what planet you on, bro. :1orglaugh

in any case your wrong. the rich have nowhere to go. or they would go there. its really about whether the western world is democratic, or a form of corporate fascism, where big money is all that matters, & everyone else is working for peanuts. at this point the pendulum is heavily in favor of corporatist tyranny. who can seize it back for the voters, the workers? neither party today.