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Mutt 11-18-2015 01:37 PM

You can't defeat them period - they are everywhere, in our own countries, many of them born and raised citizens, it's impossible for any country to keep tabs on every malcontent and easy enough for those malcontents to get explosives to put on their bodies and walk into a mall, stadium, busy street and blow themselves up and take hundreds with them. If there's 2,000 of them in a country like the US or England, you work your ass off and spend billions rooting out 3/4's of them, that leaves 500 of them, how many did it take in total to pull off the Paris attacks? 20?

You can reclaim lands they've taken in Iraq and Syria but that does nothing to stop the terror attacks in other countries. These people aren't the devout Muslims they claim to be, they are socially maladjusted psychopaths using a religious cause as cover and a recruiting tool. We underestimated them, that they now are in control of large parts of Syria and Iraq is something nobody thought them capable of.

We're stuck with this problem, even dropping a nuke on the Middle East would do nothing.

And that was the lesson of Vietnam, Ho Chi Min warned that the Vietnamese would never give up, they had nowhere to go, it was their home and you could bomb it until there was nobody left but they weren't going to give up. Wars only end when one or both sides want to stop the pain and go back to their normal lives. When your normal life is really shitty there's no reason to surrender or negotiate peace.

Mutt 11-18-2015 01:45 PM


"You will kill 10 of our men, and we will kill 1 of yours, and in the end it will be you who tire of it." Ho Chi Minh

dyna mo 11-18-2015 02:01 PM

it's important to note that avoiding prime targets in the bombing campaign in vietnam was a military strategy, not a political one. the results come from that poor strategy combined with the mismanagement of the bombing campaign by military brass.

ITraffic 11-18-2015 02:10 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_in_the_Air

Ross 11-18-2015 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20639707)
The terrorists spent months planning their little attack which was really nothing more than a pin prick. The President of France picked up the phone and dropped a lot of bombs on them - and those bombs will continue for months if not years.

Not so. The President of France held counter intelligence meetings with USA, who spent months putting together the information on targets. I won't pretend to know a lot about military tactics, I never served a day in my life and have had the privilege of growing up in a country that hasn't saw much war but I do have family who serve and they all agree that air strikes are not the way forward in this.

These people have infiltrated major EU cities and the security services don't know anything about them. Terrifying.

femdomdestiny 11-18-2015 03:32 PM

Huh...these guys are ruining business for Turkey:mad:




dyna mo 11-18-2015 03:44 PM

i wouldn't want to piss off the Turks.

Sarn 11-18-2015 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20639845)
i wouldn't want to piss off the Turks.

so tolerant :1orglaugh

dyna mo 11-18-2015 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarn (Post 20639854)
so tolerant :1orglaugh

i was replying to the post prior. i don't read russian but the comment was the airstrikes in the youtubes were ruining business for Turkey. should Turkey be tolerant of that?

femdomdestiny 11-18-2015 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20639861)
i was replying to the post prior. i don't read russian but the comment was the airstrikes in the youtubes were ruining business for Turkey. should Turkey be tolerant of that?

Are you serious?
These are ISIS refineries that Ruskies bombed. Turkey is buying cheap oil from them for god know how long

CAHEK 11-18-2015 04:13 PM

50 Airstrikes

CAHEK 11-18-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 20639621)

:uhoh :eyecrazy

slapass 11-18-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20639476)
Air power alone will not solve this. At the same time, I don't believe boots on the ground will solve it either. ISIS is a hybrid between a country and government, a military force, and a terrorist group. Our military can take on a country or military force, but a terrorist group is really a criminal organization.

I am all for boots on the ground, but only if we are going to be serious about it. We need to build a massive base in the middle of Iraq and say "We will be here for the next one hundred years". And then stay there.

The Iraqi government and military is unable to handle this on it's own. Clearly Obama was wrong by pulling out troops when we did. This is not going to be a ten or twenty year commitment - this will be at least the next forty or fifty years.

And in the end they will all hate us and try to kill us. Yep, not much will change.

Barry-xlovecam 11-18-2015 04:19 PM

Badass of the Week: Timur the Lame (Tamerlane)

Baghdad was one of the cities Timur conquered
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He invaded Baghdad in June 1401. After the capture of the city, 20,000 of its citizens were massacred. Timur ordered that every soldier should return with at least two severed human heads to show him. Many warriors were so afraid that they killed prisoners captured earlier in the campaign just to ensure they had heads to present to Timur.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timur#..._in_the_Levant

Where do you think that ISIS learned this strategy?

Sarn 11-18-2015 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20639861)
i was replying to the post prior. i don't read russian but the comment was the airstrikes in the youtubes were ruining business for Turkey. should Turkey be tolerant of that?

I do not think that the Turks be angry because of the fight against terrorism.
and its financing.

about "so tolerant" strategy war with terrorism and crime
https://youtu.be/cu6X6VBhaj8?t=75

Sarn 11-18-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20639877)
Where do you think that ISIS learned this strategy?

it possible. in military - history is important.


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