Fucked up if true

In every case one side loses more than another one.

As far as I know there was no S-400 regiment (only BUK's). Seems we have different sources of information. S-400 are made specially to deal with stealth planes and ICBM's.

It was planned as an additional gas hub for South Europe.

Turkish embassy in Moscow:

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P.S. The recent news from a war zone.

situation is very unstable

What would be the point in demanding that the Islamic Terrorist State (AKA: IS, ISIS, ISIL) lay down their arms and surrender (*as war criminals)?

This guy seems cool


Russian pilot gave interview and told that there were no warning. They were not in Turkish space and if they wanted to warn, they would come close and they could do it because SU 24 is slow and it is bomber.

Ankara explosions: Reports of multiple blasts and injuries in Turkish capital
The explosion was so loud it caused panic across the city, which has a population of 4 and a half million.
Ankara explosions: Reports of multiple blasts and injuries in Turkish capital - Irish Mirror Online

The Turkish comment on that video makes it very clear what they think about that accident:

Turks had warned drunk Ivans several times before shooting them dow

And what they say: you are APPROACHING. But it doesn't matter, as long as you support muslims and ISIS.

Just wanted to make a comment here. The army officers are always much wiser and more rational thinking ones than politicians. They are taught to kill and they know the price of a human life. There was a lot of cases when those guys have denied to follow the criminal politician orders and saved the world from the mutual nuclear war. E.g. the Caribbean Crisis, Russian paratroopers in Kosovo etc.

I remember very well Kosovo and when British general refused order.
"I'm not going to start Third World War for you," Jackson told Clark | World news | The Guardian

Unidentified warplane approaching any country's airspace = red alert stage.

Once they crossed the border without any response = green light to shoot them the fuck down.

In any case, the recording confirms that drunk russskie Ivans had been warned several times and whatever bullshit they are claiming now is a mute point.

Hey man, you need to check what is on your clipboard before pasting in public. Sometimes computer don't overwrite previous image links that you were keeping for your personal collection

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They didn't cross the border and both of us don't know what is true. It seems you know best,I guess that you are in direct contact with your ISIS pals on the field.

One airplane is not threat to anyone and you need to be extremely stupid to believe that they didn't track their airplane from the moment he went airborne.

It was a bomber and they had fighters there that could intercept him.

Ruskies went without fighters because they had deal with US that Turks didn't want to follow.

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Russian plane was 17 sec only in Turkey airspace

We know. It was planned action and provocation. Only complete idiot can think that one bomber is threat to turkey. Price of this is too high for turkey and it already started today.

If violation of someones airspace would always result in shooting, world would be gone long ago. And about Turks and their shit:
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https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/0...html#efmAlIAod
Molyviatis emphasized that Turkey did not need to
send 40 aircraft a day across the disputed airspace to make
its political point; they could, he insisted, send one flight
a week and accomplish the same purpose.

What a stupid motherfuck you are.

How would you feel if an unidentified bomber flew over St. Petersburg? No threat?
Dumbass.

Boom, mothafucka!

You can get pregnant even faster.

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Anyone surprised who the top poster is? Funny thing is I guarantee you he has multiple tabs open arguing on multiple message boards.

I guess this is what you do with your time when you live in the village.

useless to loose time with you, seriously.

совпадение? не думаю (с)
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bastart which shot at the Russian pilots

я щаз в культурной столице РФ, поэтому отвечу культурно
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а в Чертанове в табло с ноги, адназначно

Do you even NATO bro?

yea, cause flying military aircraft in Turkish air space after repeatedly been warned not to is not a provocation on Russia's part... :1orglaugh

they couldn't do bombing runs south of Turkey? of course they could, but the whole point was to fuck with Turkey, just like Russia does all the time with other countries...

I mean seriously, think about it, either Russian pilots suck at navigating or they fly very close or inside other countries airspace on purpose, no? it's more likely the latter, wouldn't you call that provocation on Russia's part?

No, from several reasons:

1. they were there for 17 seconds (if that is true,it is Turkish version while Russians say they didn't)

2. They didn't saw it as provocation,otherwise they would go with escort who would save bomber if they thought this is provocation

3. There is a war in Syria going on and they were bombing inside Syria. Problem is that they bombed Turkish allies and fucked their oil trade that was financing terrorists for years and that is a main reason why they were attacked.

4. Russkies and US had a meeting recently and established rules to avoid these kind of stuff. Ruskies were naive to believe and this is a mistake that probably won't happen anymore

5. Worst of all is that you guys are willing to support Turkey and islam terrorists instead of Russians and that is simply sick. There should be no shock or condemnation next time when muslims hit EU or US.

6. It is not about violation of airspace because Turks are doing it all the time.It is retaliation for ruining their business with terrorists. Again, this is report from NATO member, Greece so Turks are the last one who should talk about violation.

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нагличане перевели очко на минус
Russia and Turkey refuse to back down in row over jet downing | Reuters

According to the US intelligence, Russia has about 72,000 of paratroopers (VDV), while the US "spearhead" force has only 10,000 (+5000 NATO paratroopers in Europe). These guys are real Russian cannon fodder and they will be the first to be dropped on the enemy soil:















Watching those videos the one may say they are just circus clowns who uses a head to break glass bottles and bricks and sleep wit AK-47. I would say so as well if I didn't know who they are.

Russian paratroopers (VDV) are amateur forces. They are not professionals. They learn the military science for one year only. They are not paid for that, in contrast to the USA which spends a lot of money to pay the salary to their soldiers.

Russian paratroopers were the first in Kosovo before the NATO KFOR guys.

Russian paratroopers were supporting FSB Alpha to kill Amin in 1979.

Russia has used VDV paratroopers to fight Afghani mujaheddins. They just wee dropped on heads of Afghani fighters from helicopters. Usually such a battle was ended in seconds. Afghani mujaheddins have no tactic to fight back Russian paratroopers. Those guys just killed them immediately. The situation has changed when mujaheddins got the US Stingers and they were able to shoot down Russian helicopters with all paratroopers inside. We've got a big loses in the air. Totally the Soviet Union has lost about 15,000 of soldiers at that war.

You may think that Russian VDV spends too much time for training martial arms (рукопашный бой), but that's not correct. Everybody knows that a soldier has to shoot well but not to do boxing with an enemy. This is absolutely correct. But war is a very dirty and ugly thing. When you get shot into face and can stand on your legs, you have to complete your mission. Have no riffle? Go cut the throat of your enemy with your teeth. That's they are thought to do and world of pain during the training is their way to survive in the real fight.

I want to underline it: VDV are not professionals. They are just regular Russian guys, because every man here must to do a military service. Course Russia has a real pros. Those are Spetsnaz. According to the US intelligence, about 30,000 of them are ready to be dropped into any place on the Earth after a nuclear attack to finish the survivors. Spetsnaz are being paid for their service and you won't find their faces on youtube... because they are Spetsnaz :)

P.S. I saw a lot of videos of the NATO special forces (e.g. the British ones). Those are professionals, but they are being trained w/o a battle uniform and they are using a soft tatami. Russian amateur VDV soldiers do it on asphalt because there will be no tatami on the war.

Erdogan say: "A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack"
proof: Syria crisis: Fierce fighting erupts near Damascus - BBC News

what you are saying may be true, but that's all irrelevant... fact is Turkey repeatedly told Russia to stay away from it's airspace... Russia continued to enter Turkish airspace, and so they got shot down... pretty damn simple... all your "reasons" are just an attempt to muddy the water...

like I said, there was no reason for Russia to even fly near Turkish airspace... they do it to fuck with Turkey...

if the circumstances were reversed, that it was Turkey flying inside Russian airspace after repeatedly been warned not to, Russian wouldn't hesitate one bit to shoot it down... Russian official would just say "we warned them multiple times, they continued to enter our airspace, we shot it down" and it wouldn't even be news at all...

once china gets in this your chuckles will go away :2 cents::2 cents:

that wasn't my point - my point was that this is a potentially very dangerous situation where two countries, the US and Russia, with nukes are opposed to each other and you as a Russian have called Putin an unstable crazy person. It's always been a worry in the age of nuclear weapons that a crazy irrational person becomes the leader of a country with nuclear weapons.

Of course one fighter is not a threat to Turkey.... But if you have been repeatedly warned to stop flying over Turkey's territory... threat or no threat, there comes a moment they have to push the button to set limits or else one looses credibility completely... You can't warn and do nothing... even how small the incident is....

If it was a act of provocation and no russian fighter ever entered turkey's airspace; if it was turkey's way to defend their interests in the region... whatever.... what difference does it make? If Russia or any other country wants to step up and enter the arena of geo-politics.... they should expect anything to happen. It's not about moral; good; bad; correctness; principles or whatever the fuck they say to indoctrinate the public... It's about power and positions... The most you can cry about is you're not on the side where the power stays...

Anyone can post YouTube videos of their countries' army.... That will not effect Turkey... nada zero niente

As the American officer said on the video above: "when Russian bears crossed the borders of Alaska they were not attacked because they (Americans) are not idiots". Just FYI: a bear is not a usual bomber, it is a flying launchpad for cruise missiles with nuclear warheads. Su-24 which was shot down by Turkey is a simple army bomber (it does not deliver nukes).

I don't see how this relates in any way to what i said you replied to....

Congrats ! You just got promoted to the most stupid poster of this thread !!!!

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makes you go ... hmmmm ........

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Maybe it is irrelevant to you since you are obviously biased. I won't get why is that, there can be tons of reasons. It was for 17 seconds and only if Turks are not lying as I am concerned they could lie just like Russians can. We don't know that. How you can take something as absolute truth, served from perspective of one of sides involved. As I mention above, that means you are biased.

Lol..there are so many reasons and most important of all is that terrorists are selling oil to Turkey and getting money to finance war and all that mess we are watching for last several years.
As mentioned, you guys are so against Ruskies that you willingly are putting yourself on the side of terrorists.

We don't know that. It is speculation just like I would say that Chinese wouldn't let Japanese, or Pakistani wouldn't let Martians. Iranians for example let Ruskies to fly over, just like Iraqis did. Irrelevant, but what is relevant is that Turkey is helping terrorists and it is their main partner in region. While Russkies are fighting same those muslim terrorists for years in Caucasus, Turks are helping them. Not sure are you people aware that Erdogan is ruining secular state and going toward sharia law and rules. And all that shit is fine with you just to be against Russia. That is simply sick and wrong.

There will be many problems from now on. One stupid mistake will change everything. There is no more flirting between NATO and Russia since NATO country fired first. From what I am reading ( and I can't know is that true ,of course), Ruskies deliberately violated Turkey airspace multiple times today since they are covered by S300. That was real and genuine provocation and not that shit with a lonely bomber.

S400 is on the way which means that airspace there will soon be impenetrable. Iran will get full support from Russia. Beside that, I guess that Ruskies will take some serious revenge to Turkey. It would be enough to give anti tank missiles to Kurds and support creation of Kurdistan. That is very high price for shooting in the back of one airplane (even if it was in your airspace for 17 seconds).

Situation is much more complicated. Businesses from Turkey took credits from banks so they can match demand on Russian market that was opened to them after European sanctions. If Ruskies stop importing, these ordinary people are fucked.Who will feed them? Pilots that shoot or Erdogan personally? (or maybe Erdogan's daughter that is helping ISIS fighters as a medic)

$96 billions worth is touristic industry in Turkey. 12 % are Russian clients. All important touristic agencies stopped selling holidays in Russia today and trend will just become bigger.

Do not forget huge impact of Russian propaganda machine that is present in Europe. They could speak against Turkey, give fake reports and completely ruin their most important industry.

This is pretty sure that will happen as minimal response for back stabbing.

There are two problems how Turkey can respond:
1. planned gas pipeline with Turkey
2. Bosphorus as a gate for Russian war ships.

First one will probably be solved with raising oil prices what is now inevitable after US and Russkies bombed Turkish/terrorist oil fields.Prices are already up. In this, Germany will profit because it will be main reseller of Russian gas to Europe. All Balkan states and american ass lickers like Bulgaria and other "states" will now pay the price for serving and will have to buy it from Germany. One huge Lol to them while watching how they will become even more poor and fucked.

Second: I don't know about international laws but it is possible that Turks won't let Russians to pass through bosphorus. Ruskies should not believe them after this episode. That will complicating things even further in sphere of international law. It will change everything and I don't have time to write about those implications.

While we are talking Russians are bombing Turkmens hard , those proud guys that were shooting on pilot in parachute yesterday. Turkey income from oil will be completely cut off in a few days. This will make them even more mad. I guess that second attack on Russians won't be smart at all, for the Turks and maybe for the rest of the world.

Don't forget for what kind of shit sparked previous world wars.This is not a game and it was not worth shooting down one bomber that was not threat to Turkey by any means , it was threat to their criminal business in other country (Syria)

the only thing "loose" right now is your moms pussy

Everyone should get a little Turkey for thanksgiving I say.

Кароч, амеры, бритты и немчеги слили турков. Китаезы тоже одобрили ответку. В такой ситуации надо быть полным мудаком, чтобы бомбить Турцию с перспективой втягивания в полномасштабную войну. Ответ должен быть ассиметричным, направленным на истиных заказчиков провокации и/или на их союзников. Вавана можно не любить, но мудаком его назвать никак нельзя, я бы предположил что ответка прилетит евреям или саудитам, второе предпочтительнее, канешно