On 17 September 2014 two Russian military aircraft crossed into Swedish air-space south of the island of Oland. The Russian Su-24 bombers intentionally violated Swedish airspace possibly to test the capabilities of the air defence system strengthened after previous incidents. The Swedish Foreign Minister described the incident as the ?most serious aerial incursion? in years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust - the Finnish guy has not just violated the Soviet airspace, he has landed right on the Red Square and has not been killed for that. So What?

yea, cause obviously "amateur pilot" goofing around in a Cessna is almost the same thing as sending 2 bombers to Sweden... :error

you guys aren't as friendly as you make it sound, you knowingly shot down a civilian aircraft filled with 100+ passengers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean...nes_Flight_902

"On April 20, 1978, Soviet air defense shot down Korean Air Lines Flight 902 (KAL 902) near Murmansk, Soviet Union, after the civilian aircraft violated Soviet airspace and failed to respond to Soviet ground control and interceptors.[1][2] Soviet air defense initially identified it as part of the US air reconnaissance force, which carried out thousands of flights along Soviet borders annually at the time. Captain Alexander Bosov, pilot of the Sukhoi Su-15 that brought down Flight 902, saw Asian logogram characters on the tail of the Korean aircraft, and reported this to the ground control. Despite this, Vladimir Tsarkov, commander of the 21st Soviet Air Defense Corps, ordered Bosov to take down the plane, as the plane failed to respond to repeated orders to land, and was approaching the Soviet border with Finland. The Su-15 opened fire, forcing the plane to descend, and killing two of the 109 passengers and crew members aboard Flight 902.

I don't talk to excessive weed smokers, and never answer their suggestions. Your piss poor politics did nothing against Russia when they shot down the plane with Dutch passenegrs over Ukraine.

Agreed the Ukraine must be punished for that. It was a very stupid idea to do that. Not better idea what shooting down SBI1812. Thy shot two civilian planes in the beggining of the 21st century. What's next? The Ukrainians...

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If you would be a bit more smarter you would read Wikipedia. Russian bombers do not need to enter the Swedish territory to make a launch (even if they hypothetically wanted it).

As about the Flight 902. We both know that it was used by NATO as a cannon fodder to check Soviet anti-aircraft system. At least we are using military jet fighters for that, while you guys use civilians. Just like during WWII when Russians were fighting Nazi soldiers and you were bombing Dresden. When Russian were fighting Japanese army you were using nukes to kill their women and kids. Congrats on that, you were always best at it :thumbsup

Russian planes without identification (painted over it). Besides it being disgraceful isn't it also illegal?

It was Russia, you moron. And is is not "the" Ukraine.

Your level of stupidity was exposed when it took you MONTHS to finally realize that Russia actually sent troops to Ukraine (it was obvious to anybody except to morons like you) to fight alongside "separatists".

War planes identification? Disgraceful and illegal? What shit do you smoke? A sane person can not post such a nonsense...

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/60823613.jpg

How come? Maybe it was Poland or Somalia? You are an idiot because you are trying to do stupid statement with no proof. Haven't your mother told you that's a bad behavior?

Illegal ? i don't think such word exists in Russian Federation's government.

you need read more books (c) cyberseo :1orglaugh

One more idiot here... Someone please explain these who clown why military units (not just war planes) use camouflage and stealth technology and don't paint themselves in the national flag colors. Вы там реально все тупые? В армию бы вас. Там быстро мозги вправят.

https://houseofgeekery.files.wordpre...-chan-whut.jpg

Only as an education material for morons. These are Russian soldiers - they are not colored in 3-color so they are disgraceful and illegal :)))))



Warning: the video above is about soldiers, so they kill the bad guys there - don't watch it if you think it will hurt your psychics.

Isn't it been proven that the missile was a Russian anti-air missile and it was also proven that it was fired from land controlled by pro russian rebels. It's all mentioned in the official report...

:upsidedow

It's common practice for military aircraft to have insignia, but of course Russia doesn't follow that practice...

Russian aircraft:
http://theaviationist.com/wp-content...il-706x349.jpg
http://theaviationist.com/wp-content...ia-706x346.jpg

Turkish aircraft:
http://theaviationist.com/wp-content...-shot-down.jpg
http://theaviationist.com/wp-content...16-takeoff.jpg

so when Turkey said the aircraft was "unidentified", they weren't just making it up... and you guys blame Turkey for shooting down an aircraft of unknown origin and intentions in their airspace? :error

this plane no identification either, disgraceful :1orglaugh

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncsta...3/longbomb.jpg

What for? A common practice for whom? When you are being sent to a real military task, you are not even allowed to have and docs and course you can not have any symbols that reveal your military rank to the enemy snipers. Have you been to army? That's maybe a bit unusual question because in my country every healthy man has to serve in army (for free) and gets a military rank after that for a case of war. So if you have never been there, go ask someone who knows, like Rochard and he will explain you why insignia is not used in the real (not training) military operations. He's a former marine and I want to believe he has the same or at least comparable level of training like our non-professional VDV soldiers are getting here.

What??? No stars and stripes? That's totally illegal :mad:





:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

How do you explain the fact that Turkey, and most other countries, have insignia on their aircraft, but Russian aircraft flying in Syria don't?

and you guys do typically have insignia, except when doing sneaky shit, like in Crimea or Syria

Here is what your aircraft usually look like, note the clearly visible insignia:

http://theaviationist.com/wp-content...u-34-RNoAF.jpg

once again.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUlpq3BUkAADZSu.png

I feel stupid morons fathers for you. Russian airforce don't need identification insignia because everyone know this Russia. You must go serve in military, and see stupid americans. You use, I don't use. if you like we don't use car plates, we use dash cams and bribe police. You must be poor educated fools to use this.
Our professional camouflage . Educate yourself. HINT: Not in USA


http://i.imgur.com/5S6JTaM.jpg

before we camouflage

http://russianplanes.net/images/to168000/167778.jpg


More funny writing explain camouflage

Russia's path to war in Syria, part II: ruslanleviev

Pictures sometime fuck up because stupids american interwebs technology. So load separate image.

I don't have to explain it. It looks like I'm talking with a kid. If you have never been to army and think what a war is something like a parade or fireworks video of airstrikes on CNN, you know nothing. We are on real different levels. Please ask Rochard, he is also American, but as far as I know, he has been to army and he can explain you something what I was not able to. I really don't want to discuss it because it's really not even funny. It's a fuckin' war - dirty, ugly and merciless. There are no rules but your mission and your own life. Nothing else matters.

P.S. The soldiers usually cover even their faces, not mention their rank or country-identify insignia. The same applies to tanks, jet fighters etc. There must be no symbols that will allow your enemy to easily identify it. This is was camouflage and stealth technology were invented for: to make your enemy confused as much as possible. Only a naive kid may think that the modern war may look like this:

http://www.turambar.ru/files/-------...----------.jpg

No, it's not about waving of flags and measuring whose uniform looks better.

Turkey's air space has been violated 114 separate times so far this year but each instance was quickly resolved peacefully, the General Staff has said following Syria?s downing of a Turkish warplane for violating its airspace.

"We would have shot down 114 planes if every aircraft that violated a country's airspace were shot down without questioning," the General Staff said, according to daily Milliyet.

A majority of the violations were done by Greek aircraft, with Italian and Israeli aircraft also known to have violated Turkish air space this year. "Air space violations are incidents that happen almost every day, and are resolved in a matter of minutes within international law," the General Staff said in a statement.

Six airplanes violated Turkish airspace last week alone, the General Staff said, of which none were shot down and left Turkey's airspace after they were warned by Turkish personnel.


A violation of one to two kilometers is accepted as "natural" given the speed of aircraft, the statement said. This year's violations of Turkish airspace lasted between 20 seconds and nine minutes, which showed "airspace violations can be resolved by warning and interceptions," the statement said.

Turkey could have downed 114 planes for airspace violations: Army - POLITICS

They covered it up because they have been flying in Syria since august before it went public. Read this guy's blog. Russia's path to war in Syria, part II: ruslanleviev

He has it down to exact dates when russians brought their equipment to Syria based on social network pictures of those currently serving there. Don't pay attention to fucking fat ass clown seo.

I'll explain it to you then... aircraft have insignia on them so when they accidentally (or on purpose) enter other country's airspace they can be easily identified... without insignia aircraft becomes "unidentified".... "unidentified" aircraft are often a threat, and so they get shot down, especially when they don't follow requests to change heading to leave the airspace of the defending country...

And yes, B-2 has identifications and insignia of the Air Force.

For dumb eastern european fucks.

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Erdogan try call to Putin
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I know you are a coder so even if you haven't been to army, you must have some logic. Am I correct? Let me give you a two absolutely simple hints:

1) What was a distance between Turkish and Russian aircrafts in a time of attack? Can you see any insignia from that range?

2) Every airplane has a radio. Also there are digital identification systems, we call them "свой-чужой"

P.S. Once again (for the last time), there are no insignias at war. If it's the sky, your plane has too look as a part f it. It's it a forest, you should look like a tree, if it's winter, you should look as a snow. Like this:



That's not just the Russian army. ANY army of the World does it. Including the United States of America of course.

no one knows what the distance was and no one knows if the identification transponder was turned on... but Turkey said the aircraft was "unidentified", and given the fact that Russia is attempting to hide the identity of the planes by painting over the insignia, it's completely reasonable to assume that identification transponder was turned off as well...

Turkey's side of the story adds up, Russia is flying aircraft with insignia painted over them, making them "unidentified" just like Turkey has claimed.. :2 cents:

Everybody knows it. The Russian bomber was hit in Syria 1 kilometer away from the Turkish border. The Turkish jet fighter was over the Turkish territory. Can you see an insignia from 1 kilometer? In fact, the distance was much longer according to the Turkish sources:

http://img.pravda.com/images/doc/2/4...u-original.jpg

As about the "identification transponder". It's turned on all the time, because otherwise the plane can be shot down with Russian-made IGLA, BUK or other systems, used in Syria. Also don't forget that they were using a radio (according to Turkish side but not confirmed by a survived Russian pilot).

woj, can you see red stars 50x50 sm on planes here?
http://b1.m24.ru/c/221288.jpg
http://cdn14.img22.ria.ru/images/90679/58/906795865.jpg

around 300-400 metres only from viewer and planes speed as slow as possiable.Plz, come to Russia May 9 and check yourself

- the only detail that is "known" (probably debatable too) is where the aircraft crashed after it got hit by the missile, which could be many miles away from the actual location where it was shot down...(aircraft hit by a missile often don't just fall down like a rock, they continue to fly while losing altitude)

- we don't know if visual identification was attempted, for all we know it was... f-16 is much faster than su-24, so f-16 wouldn't have much trouble catching up to it for visual identification... (which obviously wasn't possible given absent insignia)

- there are kinda 2 types of transponders, one for your own military use, like you said which would prevent your own defenses from shooting it down... and another kinda "public" one, when you want to advertise that you are an ally not a foe... (not unlike how gps works, there is public gps, which can be easily turned off, and then there is military one that is encrypted and always on)

you purposefully chose pics where insignia is either not visible because of a bad angle, or obstructed by the wings of the aircraft... (but if you look closely you can actually see the red star on the tail) :1orglaugh

you can see what your insignia usually looks like few posts above... :2 cents:

Woj wins.

Congrats to the winner!

The Turkish side refused to hand over the Russian military attache any materials in connection with the Turkish attack on Russian " Su-24 ," said a spokesman for the Russian Defense Ministry Igor Konashenkov .

"Our military representative was informed that it was impossible to give him materials in connection with the attack of the Turkish aircraft ' F - 16' on the Russian airplane on November 24 ," said Konashenkov .

are you Chingachhook Sharp-Sighted Eye?:winkwink:

http://img4.nevesta.info/content/pho...17/146617x.jpg

I saw planes myself every year;) Plz back to school and learn optic of eyes

Yes, it is explained! Russians painted over numbers and star on the plane to be more camouflage. :helpme That star shined so bright so they painted over it. :1orglaugh Oh, and the text shined too bright as well!

Seriously, how stupid can one be :error:Oh crap

Ok clown, how about the very real border violations with Sweden and Norway?

видно же что самолет летел параллельно границе
as you can see plane fly NEAR border, NOT INSIDE Turkey

Say what? Are you blind or stupid? I mean seriously :error:1orglaugh

Finland do not down US warplane - August 24
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Sweden do not down US warplane - July 18
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why?

How about you post English links?

I will make a guess without reading:
Because they were identified as the planes of friendly country?

do you not undestand differnent between "along, nearby, near" border and "inside" territory? can you show me any Turkish military object or town on this map?

А ведь могли бы и бритвочкой полоснуть ;) (c)

http://m.memegen.com/7jzymx.jpg

Не... Ну это неправда... Люди ж не могут быть настолько тупыми!

один звезды на самолете видит за 5 километров на разных эшелонах высоты и на скорости 800 км\ч, другой разницы не делает куда самолет летит, рядом с границей или вглубь страны. Я х.з. как с такими общаться...

No, it isn`t ...

What is up for debate is did Russia ENTER Turkey`s airspace for 17 seconds ... that you can debate .
But the plane was shot down by missiles that acquired the target while in Syria`s airspace ....

http://c9.youcomedy.me/7/3/big_3b696...0eae604537.jpg

по десяточке обоим смело можно дать:winkwink:

Уровень человеческого идиотизма иногда реально удивляет. Очень неожиданно удивляет, я бы сказал. Х.з. что в голове у этих персонажей. Военные не надевают нашивок с указанием страны, названием подразделения и званием, значит это "незаконно". Сцуко, ну так и хочется сказать: это же война, блин! Воюешь в говне, прикинься говном. Это ж элементарно вроде. С другой стороны, в случае барагоза, такой противник он вроде и не противник вовсе...