No, from several reasons:

1. they were there for 17 seconds (if that is true,it is Turkish version while Russians say they didn't)

2. They didn't saw it as provocation,otherwise they would go with escort who would save bomber if they thought this is provocation

3. There is a war in Syria going on and they were bombing inside Syria. Problem is that they bombed Turkish allies and fucked their oil trade that was financing terrorists for years and that is a main reason why they were attacked.

4. Russkies and US had a meeting recently and established rules to avoid these kind of stuff. Ruskies were naive to believe and this is a mistake that probably won't happen anymore

5. Worst of all is that you guys are willing to support Turkey and islam terrorists instead of Russians and that is simply sick. There should be no shock or condemnation next time when muslims hit EU or US.

6. It is not about violation of airspace because Turks are doing it all the time.It is retaliation for ruining their business with terrorists. Again, this is report from NATO member, Greece so Turks are the last one who should talk about violation.

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Russia and Turkey refuse to back down in row over jet downing | Reuters

According to the US intelligence, Russia has about 72,000 of paratroopers (VDV), while the US "spearhead" force has only 10,000 (+5000 NATO paratroopers in Europe). These guys are real Russian cannon fodder and they will be the first to be dropped on the enemy soil:















Watching those videos the one may say they are just circus clowns who uses a head to break glass bottles and bricks and sleep wit AK-47. I would say so as well if I didn't know who they are.

Russian paratroopers (VDV) are amateur forces. They are not professionals. They learn the military science for one year only. They are not paid for that, in contrast to the USA which spends a lot of money to pay the salary to their soldiers.

Russian paratroopers were the first in Kosovo before the NATO KFOR guys.

Russian paratroopers were supporting FSB Alpha to kill Amin in 1979.

Russia has used VDV paratroopers to fight Afghani mujaheddins. They just wee dropped on heads of Afghani fighters from helicopters. Usually such a battle was ended in seconds. Afghani mujaheddins have no tactic to fight back Russian paratroopers. Those guys just killed them immediately. The situation has changed when mujaheddins got the US Stingers and they were able to shoot down Russian helicopters with all paratroopers inside. We've got a big loses in the air. Totally the Soviet Union has lost about 15,000 of soldiers at that war.

You may think that Russian VDV spends too much time for training martial arms (рукопашный бой), but that's not correct. Everybody knows that a soldier has to shoot well but not to do boxing with an enemy. This is absolutely correct. But war is a very dirty and ugly thing. When you get shot into face and can stand on your legs, you have to complete your mission. Have no riffle? Go cut the throat of your enemy with your teeth. That's they are thought to do and world of pain during the training is their way to survive in the real fight.

I want to underline it: VDV are not professionals. They are just regular Russian guys, because every man here must to do a military service. Course Russia has a real pros. Those are Spetsnaz. According to the US intelligence, about 30,000 of them are ready to be dropped into any place on the Earth after a nuclear attack to finish the survivors. Spetsnaz are being paid for their service and you won't find their faces on youtube... because they are Spetsnaz :)

P.S. I saw a lot of videos of the NATO special forces (e.g. the British ones). Those are professionals, but they are being trained w/o a battle uniform and they are using a soft tatami. Russian amateur VDV soldiers do it on asphalt because there will be no tatami on the war.

Erdogan say: "A short-term border violation can never be a pretext for an attack"
proof: Syria crisis: Fierce fighting erupts near Damascus - BBC News

what you are saying may be true, but that's all irrelevant... fact is Turkey repeatedly told Russia to stay away from it's airspace... Russia continued to enter Turkish airspace, and so they got shot down... pretty damn simple... all your "reasons" are just an attempt to muddy the water...

like I said, there was no reason for Russia to even fly near Turkish airspace... they do it to fuck with Turkey...

if the circumstances were reversed, that it was Turkey flying inside Russian airspace after repeatedly been warned not to, Russian wouldn't hesitate one bit to shoot it down... Russian official would just say "we warned them multiple times, they continued to enter our airspace, we shot it down" and it wouldn't even be news at all...

once china gets in this your chuckles will go away :2 cents::2 cents:

that wasn't my point - my point was that this is a potentially very dangerous situation where two countries, the US and Russia, with nukes are opposed to each other and you as a Russian have called Putin an unstable crazy person. It's always been a worry in the age of nuclear weapons that a crazy irrational person becomes the leader of a country with nuclear weapons.

Of course one fighter is not a threat to Turkey.... But if you have been repeatedly warned to stop flying over Turkey's territory... threat or no threat, there comes a moment they have to push the button to set limits or else one looses credibility completely... You can't warn and do nothing... even how small the incident is....

If it was a act of provocation and no russian fighter ever entered turkey's airspace; if it was turkey's way to defend their interests in the region... whatever.... what difference does it make? If Russia or any other country wants to step up and enter the arena of geo-politics.... they should expect anything to happen. It's not about moral; good; bad; correctness; principles or whatever the fuck they say to indoctrinate the public... It's about power and positions... The most you can cry about is you're not on the side where the power stays...

Anyone can post YouTube videos of their countries' army.... That will not effect Turkey... nada zero niente

As the American officer said on the video above: "when Russian bears crossed the borders of Alaska they were not attacked because they (Americans) are not idiots". Just FYI: a bear is not a usual bomber, it is a flying launchpad for cruise missiles with nuclear warheads. Su-24 which was shot down by Turkey is a simple army bomber (it does not deliver nukes).

I don't see how this relates in any way to what i said you replied to....

Congrats ! You just got promoted to the most stupid poster of this thread !!!!

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makes you go ... hmmmm ........

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Maybe it is irrelevant to you since you are obviously biased. I won't get why is that, there can be tons of reasons. It was for 17 seconds and only if Turks are not lying as I am concerned they could lie just like Russians can. We don't know that. How you can take something as absolute truth, served from perspective of one of sides involved. As I mention above, that means you are biased.

Lol..there are so many reasons and most important of all is that terrorists are selling oil to Turkey and getting money to finance war and all that mess we are watching for last several years.
As mentioned, you guys are so against Ruskies that you willingly are putting yourself on the side of terrorists.

We don't know that. It is speculation just like I would say that Chinese wouldn't let Japanese, or Pakistani wouldn't let Martians. Iranians for example let Ruskies to fly over, just like Iraqis did. Irrelevant, but what is relevant is that Turkey is helping terrorists and it is their main partner in region. While Russkies are fighting same those muslim terrorists for years in Caucasus, Turks are helping them. Not sure are you people aware that Erdogan is ruining secular state and going toward sharia law and rules. And all that shit is fine with you just to be against Russia. That is simply sick and wrong.

There will be many problems from now on. One stupid mistake will change everything. There is no more flirting between NATO and Russia since NATO country fired first. From what I am reading ( and I can't know is that true ,of course), Ruskies deliberately violated Turkey airspace multiple times today since they are covered by S300. That was real and genuine provocation and not that shit with a lonely bomber.

S400 is on the way which means that airspace there will soon be impenetrable. Iran will get full support from Russia. Beside that, I guess that Ruskies will take some serious revenge to Turkey. It would be enough to give anti tank missiles to Kurds and support creation of Kurdistan. That is very high price for shooting in the back of one airplane (even if it was in your airspace for 17 seconds).

Situation is much more complicated. Businesses from Turkey took credits from banks so they can match demand on Russian market that was opened to them after European sanctions. If Ruskies stop importing, these ordinary people are fucked.Who will feed them? Pilots that shoot or Erdogan personally? (or maybe Erdogan's daughter that is helping ISIS fighters as a medic)

$96 billions worth is touristic industry in Turkey. 12 % are Russian clients. All important touristic agencies stopped selling holidays in Russia today and trend will just become bigger.

Do not forget huge impact of Russian propaganda machine that is present in Europe. They could speak against Turkey, give fake reports and completely ruin their most important industry.

This is pretty sure that will happen as minimal response for back stabbing.

There are two problems how Turkey can respond:
1. planned gas pipeline with Turkey
2. Bosphorus as a gate for Russian war ships.

First one will probably be solved with raising oil prices what is now inevitable after US and Russkies bombed Turkish/terrorist oil fields.Prices are already up. In this, Germany will profit because it will be main reseller of Russian gas to Europe. All Balkan states and american ass lickers like Bulgaria and other "states" will now pay the price for serving and will have to buy it from Germany. One huge Lol to them while watching how they will become even more poor and fucked.

Second: I don't know about international laws but it is possible that Turks won't let Russians to pass through bosphorus. Ruskies should not believe them after this episode. That will complicating things even further in sphere of international law. It will change everything and I don't have time to write about those implications.

While we are talking Russians are bombing Turkmens hard , those proud guys that were shooting on pilot in parachute yesterday. Turkey income from oil will be completely cut off in a few days. This will make them even more mad. I guess that second attack on Russians won't be smart at all, for the Turks and maybe for the rest of the world.

Don't forget for what kind of shit sparked previous world wars.This is not a game and it was not worth shooting down one bomber that was not threat to Turkey by any means , it was threat to their criminal business in other country (Syria)

the only thing "loose" right now is your moms pussy

Everyone should get a little Turkey for thanksgiving I say.

Кароч, амеры, бритты и немчеги слили турков. Китаезы тоже одобрили ответку. В такой ситуации надо быть полным мудаком, чтобы бомбить Турцию с перспективой втягивания в полномасштабную войну. Ответ должен быть ассиметричным, направленным на истиных заказчиков провокации и/или на их союзников. Вавана можно не любить, но мудаком его назвать никак нельзя, я бы предположил что ответка прилетит евреям или саудитам, второе предпочтительнее, канешно

why are you biased here? Erdogan is an islam extremist who rigged elections (in other words a dictator), Russia is fighting ISIS. I think the old army guy in that fox video is onto the truth. Please leave your subjective hatred towards russia out of this and stop posting these ignorant memes, probably made by brainwashed people and ISIS supporters.

Сисьге спасет мир? Ващета Достоевский имел ввиду "мир" в более широком смысле:winkwink: But tnx for sharing

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Do you peasants get together for a circle jerk before you start posting? And whoever says "Putins" name the most cums the fastest?

A century ago we were in the middle of World War I and if you remember your high school history what was one of the main causes of that hellish war? The Ottoman Empire, which became ........ Turkey. History has a way of repeating itself, in Europe especially.

Isolationism please. Build Reagan's Star Wars defense system for North America and let Europe do what Europe has always done.

Jerk off on Putin one more:winkwink:
My best friend is president Putin

Now that is prowess

Turkey releases recording of 'warning' to downed jet - Al Jazeera English

I think the Turks kept hearing people from the US saying Turkey day is coming and got the wrong idea about it.

Так они ж не идиоты за голодранцев вписываться. Тем более, что Эрдаган это брат близнец Вовы Путена (оба ибанутые дебилы играющие на религиозных чувствах генетического мусора и постоянно вещающие о суверенитете). Один клоун достоин другого в полный рост. Дал бы обоим пидарасам по стволу и сунул бы их в подвал, пусть стреляют куда попадут - долбоебы.

A ты сидишь и щeтaeш? Boт жeж дeбил.

What's your address? Ill ship you an English copy of Rosetta Stone free of charge just so you can attempt to speak English properly.

Эрдогана пиздец как подставили наши партнеры(с) и слили одномоментно, теперь ждут што Ваван подставится. А Ваван на ровном месте не подставится, ебнет по саудитам или евреям и ебало кирпичом сделает. А Эрдоган через год будет лекции по пан-тюркизму в заштатных вузах Пенсильвании читать.

I thought you know it...

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No different in English or Chinesse for you, you do not undestand elementary:1orglaugh

You probably got a hard on the second someone sent you those emails.

Щетаю што MetaMan заслужил на все табло
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