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adultmobile 12-18-2015 08:01 AM
Google algo simply is more antitrust-like, could be they decided let's give more opportunities to newcomers to rank high.

rabbit 12-18-2015 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by adultmobile (Post 20673011)
Google algo simply is more antitrust-like, could be they decided let's give more opportunities to newcomers to rank high.
its the opposite in mainstream, so i doubt that they treat adult differently.

rabbit 12-18-2015 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20672948)
was going to post that.

all this may prove is that the older bigger tubes are just being out seo's by new networks and sites.

if they are able to rank some shitty scraper tube for the biggest and most competitive adult keywords obviously some are just working smarter and harder.
i doubt it, because unless you're doing blackhat, seo and especially linkbuilding today is much harder to control. i think most bigger tubes stopped buying as much links because of the risk they face. the user signal their sites send to google is so strong that there's no need to risk messing that up with heavy link buying.

but as i mentioned, this is long tail keywords, not the competitive ones.

ITraffic 12-18-2015 08:51 AM
i don't think there is a point for me to even respond.

so i will just ask ... what answer are you trying to lead everyone to?

that you have already figured out, that you want reiterated back to you?

rabbit 12-18-2015 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20673052)
i don't think there is a point for me to even respond.

so i will just ask ... what answer are you trying to lead everyone to?

that you have already figured out, that you want reiterated back to you?
trying to stimulate a discussion. you're free to go post boobies in another useful thread.

also, i would have liked for tube owners to pitch in and share what they're seeing.

brassmonkey 12-18-2015 09:10 AM
what??? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

BoomBoomBenoit 12-18-2015 09:31 AM
great post rabbit

I think we've touched on a number of possibilities - I also wonder if we're seeing the impact of local on general content sites.... I personally think duplicate content (which can be tracked simply by the title and tags of the videos) in addition to some local tomfoolery as google tries to connect users with sites in their immediate area may be contributing.

robwod 12-18-2015 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 20673038)
i think most bigger tubes stopped buying as much links...
While I cannot speak to other sites, I can speak from our own experience that there are a couple of tubes where we've seen larger expenditures this year over last year. It was more a case, at least as it pertains to us, that some of the tubes spent less in 2014 but increased this year. There are certainly some who have cut way back though.

What I do see is a larger tendency towards being extremely specific with link types, styles, tracking, etc, and to your point, a greater focus on long tail and deep linking inside the sites from a relevance based perspective. Contextual is also a heavy focus.

There is absolutely a increase in smaller sites tossing their hats into the ring with larger budgets.

In any case, it's definitely an interesting trend to watch. Thanks for bringing the discussion to GFY. Refreshing and nice to see a good discussion thread here.

lagwagon 12-18-2015 11:12 AM
maybe Bing.com videos is taking over as the #1 tube? :)

Penny24Seven 12-18-2015 04:21 PM
Tis the season. Just more tubes out there so the traffic is spread out a little more. No biggie

Penny24Seven 12-18-2015 04:22 PM
Fiddy tubes sites are going under. 2006 sales will be back anytime now.
There is money in porn! Everyone will be rich. Joins coming without even trying. Magic joins too

lezinterracial 12-18-2015 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by itme64 (Post 20671890)

Still funny to see that people use google to find google. (no traffic drop)
Probably people putting just "google" in the address bar. I remember at one time the browsers added .com to the end of a term you entered into the address bar and you just got an error if the site didn't exist. Now, The search engines get the incomplete type-in traffic. Diabolical, I tell you.

Tommydiv 12-19-2015 01:26 AM
Very interesting

xxxjay 12-19-2015 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 20670630)
you can look at the traffic profile of pretty much any of the major tube and the trend is unmistakable since this summer, but going back to early this year:

Pornhub.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Youporn.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Xvideos.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Xhamster.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
Porntube.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats
http://www.similarweb.com/website/porn.com#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/redtube.com#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/xnxx.com#overview

they are losing anywhere from 20-30% of traffic since this summer. more since jan/feb.

i believe this is all google traffic. it's not that easy to spot unless you run one of the sites which have been trending up, as the impact mostly touches long tail queries.

try looking for keywords like these:
https://www.google.com/search?q=bust...utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://www.google.com/search?q=bust...+creampie+tube
https://www.google.com/search?q=bust...video+hardcore

etc

prior to this summer, those results were dominated by the video pages of big tubes. now they get 20-30% of first page results TOPS.

so who are the winners? it's hard to identify, since the volume seems split between many smaller sites, but they seem to be tube aggregators and mgp type tube sites, like:

http://www.similarweb.com/website/iwank.tv#overview
http://www.similarweb.com/website/esmatube.com#overview

so are we coming full circle? back to mgp and linklist style sites outranking content pages? any thoughts? if you run a tube site, does this analysis confirm the trends you see?
Maybe Google finally got around to penalizing them for all the links they brought when they started:thumbsup

faxxaff 12-19-2015 03:22 AM
Just as you see declining traffic for tubes, visits for review sites are falling, too:
Rabbitsreviews.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats

Traditional internet traffic is sinking. The move will accelerate, dramatically, in 2016.

Many mobile apps have their own browsers built-in. They either block adult or disable links, totally. And many surfers think Facebook App is the Internet and there is nothing else.

The shift from desktop to mobile has been massive in 2015. While we had 24% of mobile users in 2014 numbers switched to 70% in 2015. Expect this number to go to 90% by the end of 2017.

slapass 12-19-2015 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20673744)
Just as you see declining traffic for tubes, visits for review sites are falling, too:
Rabbitsreviews.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats

Traditional internet traffic is sinking. The move will accelerate, dramatically, in 2016.

Many mobile apps have their own browsers built-in. They either block adult or disable links, totally. And many surfers think Facebook App is the Internet and there is nothing else.

The shift from desktop to mobile has been massive in 2015. While we had 24% of mobile users in 2014 numbers switched to 70% in 2015. Expect this number to go to 90% by the end of 2017.
I would agree with this.

fuzebox 12-19-2015 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rabbit (Post 20673060)
you're free to go post boobies in another useful thread.
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Clarketime 12-19-2015 01:48 PM
Fuck me, well this is news to me! Finally, the smaller guy may stand a chance..

The Porn Nerd 12-20-2015 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20673744)
Just as you see declining traffic for tubes, visits for review sites are falling, too:
Rabbitsreviews.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats

Traditional internet traffic is sinking. The move will accelerate, dramatically, in 2016.

Many mobile apps have their own browsers built-in. They either block adult or disable links, totally. And many surfers think Facebook App is the Internet and there is nothing else.

The shift from desktop to mobile has been massive in 2015. While we had 24% of mobile users in 2014 numbers switched to 70% in 2015. Expect this number to go to 90% by the end of 2017.
But none of that bodes well for the future I'm afraid. :(

Magnetron 12-20-2015 01:10 AM
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Originally Posted by The Porn Nerd (Post 20674410)
But none of that bodes well for the future I'm afraid. :(
Few in online adult can see beyond Today so it all evens out.

Magnetron 01-01-2016 05:24 AM
Meanwhile, traffic to non-tube sites is increasing. :)

j3rkules 01-01-2016 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Magnetron (Post 20685244)
Meanwhile, traffic to non-tube sites is increasing. :)
Sad but true.

Shap 01-01-2016 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20673744)
Just as you see declining traffic for tubes, visits for review sites are falling, too:
Rabbitsreviews.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats

Traditional internet traffic is sinking. The move will accelerate, dramatically, in 2016.

Many mobile apps have their own browsers built-in. They either block adult or disable links, totally. And many surfers think Facebook App is the Internet and there is nothing else.

The shift from desktop to mobile has been massive in 2015. While we had 24% of mobile users in 2014 numbers switched to 70% in 2015. Expect this number to go to 90% by the end of 2017.
Well said!

This started 5 years ago. I'm actually shocked it's taken this long. But now everything has completely changed. Mobile is the only way to consume.

SpicyM 01-01-2016 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20673744)
Just as you see declining traffic for tubes, visits for review sites are falling, too:
Rabbitsreviews.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats

Traditional internet traffic is sinking. The move will accelerate, dramatically, in 2016.

Many mobile apps have their own browsers built-in. They either block adult or disable links, totally. And many surfers think Facebook App is the Internet and there is nothing else.

The shift from desktop to mobile has been massive in 2015. While we had 24% of mobile users in 2014 numbers switched to 70% in 2015. Expect this number to go to 90% by the end of 2017.
I hate surfing net on mobile, can't imagine watching porn that way. What is the point of offering full hd or 4k video if the users use small mobile devices? :Oh crap

xXXtesy10 01-01-2016 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 20685519)
I hate surfing net on mobile, can't imagine watching porn that way. What is the point of offering full hd or 4k video if the users use small mobile devices? :Oh crap
you smart man. :winkwink: lots of sheeple in biz

ITraffic 01-01-2016 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 20685519)
I hate surfing net on mobile, can't imagine watching porn that way. What is the point of offering full hd or 4k video if the users use small mobile devices? :Oh crap
who cares what you do when 90% of the population will be doing the opposite?

i guess you can ignore reality and base your business upon the 10% too poor and too old that still use a traditional computer for whatever reason.

JuicyBunny 01-01-2016 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by faxxaff (Post 20673744)
Just as you see declining traffic for tubes, visits for review sites are falling, too:
Rabbitsreviews.com Analytics - See Traffic Ranking & Stats

Traditional internet traffic is sinking. The move will accelerate, dramatically, in 2016.

Many mobile apps have their own browsers built-in. They either block adult or disable links, totally. And many surfers think Facebook App is the Internet and there is nothing else.

The shift from desktop to mobile has been massive in 2015. While we had 24% of mobile users in 2014 numbers switched to 70% in 2015. Expect this number to go to 90% by the end of 2017.
+1!
Please let me know if you know of anyone making Apps for site networks.

Colmike9 01-01-2016 11:24 AM
^^Just make your sites compatible on everything...

SpicyM 01-01-2016 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20685528)
who cares what you do when 90% of the population will be doing the opposite?

i guess you can ignore reality and base your business upon the 10% too poor and too old that still use a traditional for whatever reason.

Most part of those are brats running FB all day. Useless anyway. Our traffic is actually up.

Shap 01-01-2016 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ITraffic (Post 20685528)
who cares what you do when 90% of the population will be doing the opposite?

i guess you can ignore reality and base your business upon the 10% too poor and too old that still use a traditional computer for whatever reason.
Agreed! I'm all in on mobile. It's just the way it is.

I also love people saying you can't watch porn on mobile devices. For 5 years I've read people ridiculing folks who jerk off on a phone. Ridicule all you want it's the way it is.

Shap 01-01-2016 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 20685536)
Most part of those are brats running FB all day. Useless anyway. Our traffic is actually up.
Keep telling yourself that.

SpicyM 01-01-2016 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20685631)
For 5 years I've read people ridiculing folks who jerk off on a phone.
You mean freeloaders.. :winkwink:

SpicyM 01-01-2016 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 20685632)
Keep telling yourself that.
Why? I have stats to base my opinion on, how about you? I won't tell details, but our mobile traffic was below 50% in 2015.

Shap 01-01-2016 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 20685673)
Why? I have stats to base my opinion on, how about you? I won't tell details, but our mobile traffic was below 50% in 2015.
Based on your posts business is good for you. So for that :thumbsup:thumbsup and do what works for you.

My gut tells me if your mobile traffic is below 50% it is because your sites (or content) are not well set up for mobile and you are leaving a lot of potential $$$ on the table.

Mobile is no longer the future it's the present. Anybody without a plan to monetize and make money with mobile is going to experience very slow growth (if any).

Shap 01-01-2016 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 20685668)
You mean freeloaders.. :winkwink:
Freeloaders? What makes you think people who jerk off to porn on a mobile device are exclusively (or more likely) to be free loaders?

TheMaster 01-03-2016 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SpicyM (Post 20685519)
I hate surfing net on mobile, can't imagine watching porn that way.
personally I hate it too for most types of surfing, so only use it outside the house, most sites are a pain in the ass to navigate

that said, it's clear that mobile use will keep increasing

:2 cents: paysites need to keep offering more & easier ways to pay when people are on mobile, incredible that in 2016 billing keeps being such an issue :Oh crap

Best-In-BC 01-03-2016 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Colmike7 (Post 20670635)
Maybe a lot of smaller tubes are finally getting indexed? I remember when the only thing you would see on G video results would be Youtube, Pornhub, Youporn and mostly xHamster..
yeah, like 2-3 years ago, it was a ginormous joke!

RR Productions 02-12-2016 06:36 PM
What I don't get is how the whole porn biz allowed to grow all those giants like Xvideos or Pornhub, stealing videos to show for free

oh yeah, now the tubes have channels to promote your content and even are not stealing anymore... because they stole enough already and got all traffic from google. Now the same companies that were stolen, provide them with trailers, to get one sale for every 1000.000...

oppoten 02-12-2016 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RR Productions (Post 20728197)
What I don't get is how the whole porn biz allowed to grow all those giants like Xvideos or Pornhub, stealing videos to show for free
You're assuming that the porn biz had a say in the matter.

The entire web was reshaped in favor of Google and media. Tubes helped to level the land, to usher porn out of the way, and were rewarded with the traffic.

NickBaer 02-12-2016 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 20670814)
Maybe all the content ran out since nobody can afford to make any new shit to steal.

:1orglaugh
That was one of the topics at InterNext 2016, 3 weeks ago. Some big Tubes even suggested they should get into the content creation biz because there's too little new!

hahahahaha.


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