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So humans just "decided" to eat meat?
Same as lions "decided" to eat meat?

Some creatures naturally eat meat, some naturally don't.
They did not decide "hey, lets be meat eaters".

Populations have to be culled sometimes. I don't think anyone would argue that, I think the arguable fact is the brutal manner in which it's done. Instead of one shot, they beat them in the head until they are dead. There's just no need for it. I'm guessing that just doesn't make them as valuable and so they'll just keep being barbaric because it's worth more that way.

How you can look these animals in the eyes and beat them to death, hundreds of times over is just terrible.

That is not a man I would want to lie down with at night. Ever.

The tool they use is called a hakapik and is crafted to kill them really fast.

''A hakapik is an efficient tool designed to harvest the animal quickly and humanely. Veterinarians have found that the hakapik, when properly used, is at least as humane as, and often more humane than, the killing methods used in commercial slaughterhouses, which are accepted by the majority of the public.

The Marine Mammal Regulations stipulate that only high-powered rifles, shotguns firing slugs, clubs or hakapiks may be used in the seal harvest. All these methods are considered by experts to be humane.''

But don't they stun cows/pigs before executing them?

Majority of the public chooses "ignorance is bliss" and doesn't want to know how their food is forced to live, and then how it dies.

Only ugly animals deserve to die!!!


Incidentally, as the only one here thats actually killed a lot of seals (not baby seals), seals have very soft skulls, thats why clubs are used.

Why you feel what you feel....

no ones "outrage" is about the method used for killing.

no ones "outrage" is about seals in general.

the simple fact is that for white people, animals being hurt falls into moral decision making processes. a FMRI scan would show that when presented with the image of a seal being clubbed and in either your prefrontal cortex or amygdala, there will be a strong flash of negative emotional affect.

This happens below conscious awareness.

All that you become consciously aware of is "bad" and "no" and "wrong" + "picture".

Thats all.

Every "reason" you give is just a post hoc rationalization of that feeling.

Basic moral processing is innate within us. Most of the framework for morality is with us when we are born. Infants have a basic sense of moral rights and wrongs.

This is also why i can say "billy and angie are brother and sister and decided to have sex. shes on birth control and to be safe, he also used a condom" and ask you if its right or wrong and you'll instantly and emphatically say "its wrong". When you are pressed to explain why its wrong, you'll say the usual "birth defects" etc and when its explained that birth control was doubled up, pregnancy is not possible, you'll still say its wrong and have no ability to articulate why other than to just insist its wrong.

That is what you are doing about the seal

All that is happening with the imagery of the seals is some people have a very strong flash of negative affect... largely due to both the attractive/cuteness of the animal and perceived sense of the animals helplessness and vulnerability. It's also likely there is a genetic component as well, as most of us (almost zero people statistically speaking) have any ancestral history of eating seals. In other words, an eskimo won't likely to share outrage or disgust at the idea of taking food and fur for both genetic and cultural reasons.

Obviously every reason you give for "why" are going to be post hoc rationalizations because you don't really know why you respond that way - we know that all of these feelings originate below conscious awareness. You don't know where they come from. You don't know "why". You don't know anything about them other than there is a strong feeling associated with a pic. But the funny thing is you will say a bunch of safe things like "its barbaric" and no matter what, as with the incest story, your arguments will fall apart once the harvesting of any animal is examined and you ultimately have to confront your own hypocrisy.

BUT.. here is the thing about your brain. You unconscious mental processes essentially present the conscious you with an outline of a script - basically bullet points and headlines. You then do two things. First, the conscious you will accept anything presented to it by unconscious processes 100% and as being 100% fact. Second, you'll reflexively argue endlessly to defend this "fact" (there is an area of the brain dedicated to this) because its how your brain manages its energy expenditures. Conscious thinking is costly. 20% of your daily calories are burned by the brain. Your brain doesn't need endless pondering and wondering and pontificating. It simply settles on an answer and defends it in what is usually a very half assed manner because after all, this is not an issue of safety and survival or mating.... its just a silly discussion that bears no direct consequences on the furtherance of ones genes.

nice looong post