Fiddy Fucking Los Vegans.

If you eat meat then you are killing (or usually having something killed) for your meal.

If you eat nothing but vegetation you are killing or having something killed for your meal.

I don't see much difference between the two myself.

just my :2 cents:

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No difference between "killing" grass and killing animal? :error

Not as far as I'm concerned. Both are alive, both feel, both communicate, both are born, both die.


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They're both living breathing things. How different can they be?

Most vegetation is killed to feed the animals that are slaughtered to feed humans :2 cents: From this standpoint, it is still more lives being taken..

Grass "communicates" and "feels"? :1orglaugh

Oh no, vegans win again.

Yep.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0922145805.htm

If the plant is signaling distress then it is obviously feeling something. If in response to that distress it takes action that attracts beneficial insects then it is communicating.

First time I read something on this subject was back in about 1985 or so.

Good summary of where this all is in the science world right now is at:

How Plants Secretly Talk to Each Other | WIRED



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Everything eats everything else at some point. It is not just humans. It is the cycle of life.

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Meat eaters are stopping those vicious animals from eating our beloved plants.

Well there isn't much difference between them eating them and you smoking them ;p

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Cut grass smell because there is "juice" inside, not because grass decides "I will send some signal now".

Even fish do not feel pain:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0808123719.htm

Let alone grass...

I know 420 was trolling, but since you are a female I supposed you could be for real.

Communication does not need to be voluntary or conscious to be communication.

That articles says: "Fish do not feel pain the way humans do," which is a hell of a lot different then saying that they do not feel pain.

You are showing the closemindedness (sp?) of western thought. Just because you do not recognize it it must not exist even when proof is put before you.

I have 2 friends (I have more than 2 but I am talking about these 2 in particular).

1 is a member of PETA. We were in a conference room and he caught a fly, then pulled it's wings off and said to me "Look it's a walk (ha ha ha ha)". I asked him, "I thought you were in PETA and didn't like to see animals injured unnecessarily?". He replied to me that "Insects are not animals, they are bugs."

Now from a zoological perspective he is completely wrong but it turns out many people agree with him.

So, since he does not recognize that a bug is indeed an animal then it is ok to torture them in his mind.

The other friend is a vegan or vegetarian. I always get the 2 screwed up. She does not agree with eating meat because of the torturous methods of slaughter used, and instead attempts a diet as much of vegetable as possible.

We were having a discussion and she informed me that it was ok to eat mollusks (clams, crabs, etc) because they could not feel pain, so they could not be tortured.

Again, since she does not recognize that something may actually be capable of feeling pain then slaughtering them and eating them is ok in her mind.

The fact of the matter is that we do not have a clue what other animals or what plants think or feel. We interpret them through our human brain and pronounce our decisions based on what we know and act as if we know everything there is to know.

We can however measure electronically whether a reaction occurs in response to an injury and it has been proven in both plants and animals that when you produce an injury electronic signals travel from that point of injury throughout the plant or animals structure. That reaction, in humans, we call pain and most people find it uncomfortable at best. It is ridiculously arrogant to assume that we are the only biological unit in existence that find it uncomfortable and therefore feel pain.

It is neither good or evil to eat something. It is necessary for all species (plant or animal) in order to stay alive. Everything eats something else over and over and over again.

http://lolworthy.com/wp-content/uplo...egan-comic.jpg


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You are 100% correct about the breed of vegans that act like jehovah witness trying to convert people and act arrogantly.
No worries

There's quite a bit of a difference between something that has a central nervous system and something that doesn't. Both are living, but only one knows it. A plant doesn't know that it's being cut away from it's root, a pig knows when it's getting boot fucked, and then hung-up and it's fucking throat is cut and it bleeds out. Hopefully that enlightens you a bit.

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You are parading your arrogance as enlightenment.

You have no idea of what a plant can or cannot feel or know as you also have no idea of what a pig can or cannot feel or know. You make assumptions based upon similarity of structures to your own and then state them as fact.

I hope that helps to elucidate the issue for you somewhat.

Yet you somehow have an idea what they feel or know :thumbsup:1orglaugh

This must be a joke. Of course pigs feel pain when they are being cut. That is like basic knowledge.

Here is another random fact - women's brain works different, maybe that explains your ways of thinking.

3 reasons to not be a vegan -

http://www.chowstatic.com/blog-media...rious-Eats.jpg

http://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/imag...at-3-illnesses

http://nationalcheeseburgerday.org/w...-4-cheeses.jpg

Steak For Dinner!

I claim no such thing. I do not know what anyone or anything besides myself feels or knows.

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and that is ignorance. Science knows what I stated above. Things without a central nervous system don't feel...this is a fact. You can't argue that based on your own ignorance.

So you would feel no differently to slice a cows throat or cut off a chickens head than you would to pick a tomato?

That's just fucking weird. :helpme

Hey that tomato has feelings you know and to hurt those feeling is just wrong but at the same time so yummy. Just like the meat from that cows back. He feels the pain and I enjoy eating his pain.
I saw a crocodile rip apart a zebra that was crossing a river so I don't feel bad about eating a cow that was shot it the head.

Can't feel bad about picking a tomato. That's like taking milk from the cow. I think to decapitate a tomato plant you'd have to pull it out of the ground and chop off the roots.

There are numerous animals that play with their food / pick it to pieces (torture) before eating it or just kill for the sake of it.

I imagine pulling a tomato is rather painful, slitting a throat with a sharp knife is painless and bleeding out is a great way to go.

You live somewhere that doesn't grow vegetables I see

I did not argue on my ignorance of whether they can feel or not.

I stated my ignorance of what they think and feel not whether they think and feel.

That animals can think and feel is pretty much established but it isn't as established as you may think. It is within the last 50 years or so that the majority of scientists have finally said, ok, yeah animals can probably think and feel.

The science around plants is newer although it actually goes all the way back to Darwin.

Do plants feel pain? - HowStuffWorks

From VIDEO: Do Plants Respond to Pain? from Amazing Plants | Smithsonian Channel

There are a couple of references for you.

You can thank me later for the lesson on enlightenment. :thumbsup

This is about evolution. Those at the top of the food chain have always eaten everything lower down.

Humans can reason and think about their actions rather than simply rely on instincts.

We can analyze our behavior and make choices based on thought.

We can therefore, empathize with other life forms. We can put ourselves in their place and think how we would feel.

Of course, some use the capacity to think more than others...as is clearly illustrated by the varied comments in this thread.

http://o.onionstatic.com/images/arti...0x1000_q85.jpg

I have never killed a cow or a chicken however it never bothered me to clean a fish or prep a rabbit, goose or duck. Like most people in the U.S. I get my beef or chicken already prepared, someone else did the killing but I do not pretend that they were not killed and it does not particularly bother me.

I don't see what is weird about eating either an animal or a plant and recognizing them as food.

I do like to see ethical treatment of animals that will be eaten. I do not like factory farms or sloppy slaughter houses.

But does it or would it bother me to kill an animal for food? No more than it would bother me to pick a tomato or pull out a carrot. The clean up would be the main bother in reality.

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i'm a meat eater but i can feel for vegans. they got strong arguments and we - as humankind - already know better than having to resort to animal sources in our food or other stuff.

key to being a vegan is like the key to everything else: don't be a dick about it

I have a serious question: Is it allowable to eat the pussy of a vegan girl ? :winkwink:

But you have likely physically killed a vegetable.

So there is a difference.

If you really believed there is no difference, then try it, and see how it feels.

I have heard it tastes much sweeter.

If meat is murder, then murder is yummy.

I think tolerance is what everyone needs to work on in this situation.
The lady needed to "when in Rome" at the party, eat what she thinks appropriate and not bring her opinions to the table in a rude manner. At the same time, people need to stay off vegans and vegetarians since they made their choices and it's up to them what they want or don't want to eat.
I look at it this way - I don't like pickled eggs, I think they are filthy... so I don't eat them, but I also don't go around telling people to stop eating them. And furthermore I definitely don't expect anyone coming around telling me I should start eating them. There's a fundamental liberty, if you want, to choose to eat what you like and want to eat. There's no need for anyone to be lectured about their choices.

Trolling again?

Baddog you really are one ignorant mofo. That's definitely the single most ignorant and uneducated comment in this entire thread.

The reasoning for this is probably going to be "this is why we have sharp teeth in the back to cut and grind meat". I hear this from so many meat eaters.

You have reading comprehension problems. I stated that I have killed fish, rabbit, ducks and geese. I don't think there would be much difference between a duck and a chicken really. I have helped gut and prep a deer, not much difference then a cow.

Doesn't matter, this is not about what I would be willing to kill or not. I stated that I would be willing to kill to eat. I have done it, so I know.

Are you willing to kill a cow? I know you are willing to eat one. So you are willing to be an accomplice to killing but are not willing to do it yourself?

This is about what should be considered food and why. I feel that I have stated my case fairly well that both plants and animals are living things and are both sources of food. There is nothing more or less moral about eating just vegetables then there is to eating meat. You are still killing a living thing.

Anytime that you ask a living thing to sacrifice itself so that you can live you should thank them and be respectful of them. You should not purposely torture any living thing.

I believe in nothing. Everything is sacred.
I believe in everything. Nothing is scared.

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How did it feel to kill those cows and chickens? Bother you much?


How about killing those chicken and the salmon, did that bother you much?


just my :2 cents:

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I must be missing your point. The whole purpose of a tomato plant's life is to produce those seed containing fruits. I harvest mine with a sharp knife and they continue producing fruit until winter.

Can you actually kill a vegetable? It's just a seed pod meant to be consumed and distributed by animals. I once cut down a giant redwood with a hatchet. Felt horrible about it but what a trophy for my mantle piece.

Do these animals also process their kills so they can be displayed on their walls, keeping a souvenir of those kills to show off to their friends. Keeping a souvenir the same as serial killers do. Do these animals you are talking about, do they do these things too?

So, why do we have teeth meant for meat as opposed to the style cows have?

edited in: ooops, wrong thread.

I hate when that happens.



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