Cats absolutely kill things for entertainment, then often just leave the dead body after they're done playing.

If I don't have to go any further than cats, then I'm positive there's a large section of animals that do kill for entertainment.

I dated a vegan once.... it lasted one meal.

No kidding.

Dave

Well yeah... But then I think that was pretty much implied anyway... :thumbsup

I have been a vegan for over a year and I don't understand why she acted like that.
My neighbor does a big BBQ every year and he has been inviting me for a long time. I have always helped him out with marinating and roasting the pork for mechoui style. And I still offered my help last summer although I have not eaten any.

The only time I will discuss my choices is when there is room for constructive criticism and when I feel that there is a true desire to understand about the vegan lifestyle.
Although I get a lot of ignorant remarks....

I am vegetarian, though I do try to be vegan.

When a Bill Clinton went vegan, I thought if he can do it, so can I.

Well thats not Vegan of you, sry, but that word belongs to a collection of assholes going against our basic wiring, pretending like they have a moral notch up on everyone when really there back peddling.

She likely didn't act like that. She isn't even likely a real person. It's all a figment of his imagination.

This is completely not an ethics, diet, morals or and other such question.

It is simply a matter of not being a rude guest in someone else's home.

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You eat eggs? What about the millions of male chicks killed daily?
You eat dairy? What about the millions of male dairy calves killed daily?

Fiddy Fucking Los Vegans.

If you eat meat then you are killing (or usually having something killed) for your meal.

If you eat nothing but vegetation you are killing or having something killed for your meal.

I don't see much difference between the two myself.

just my :2 cents:

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No difference between "killing" grass and killing animal? :error

Not as far as I'm concerned. Both are alive, both feel, both communicate, both are born, both die.


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They're both living breathing things. How different can they be?

Most vegetation is killed to feed the animals that are slaughtered to feed humans :2 cents: From this standpoint, it is still more lives being taken..

Grass "communicates" and "feels"? :1orglaugh

Oh no, vegans win again.

Yep.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0922145805.htm

If the plant is signaling distress then it is obviously feeling something. If in response to that distress it takes action that attracts beneficial insects then it is communicating.

First time I read something on this subject was back in about 1985 or so.

Good summary of where this all is in the science world right now is at:

How Plants Secretly Talk to Each Other | WIRED



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Everything eats everything else at some point. It is not just humans. It is the cycle of life.

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Meat eaters are stopping those vicious animals from eating our beloved plants.

Well there isn't much difference between them eating them and you smoking them ;p

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Cut grass smell because there is "juice" inside, not because grass decides "I will send some signal now".

Even fish do not feel pain:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0808123719.htm

Let alone grass...

I know 420 was trolling, but since you are a female I supposed you could be for real.

Communication does not need to be voluntary or conscious to be communication.

That articles says: "Fish do not feel pain the way humans do," which is a hell of a lot different then saying that they do not feel pain.

You are showing the closemindedness (sp?) of western thought. Just because you do not recognize it it must not exist even when proof is put before you.

I have 2 friends (I have more than 2 but I am talking about these 2 in particular).

1 is a member of PETA. We were in a conference room and he caught a fly, then pulled it's wings off and said to me "Look it's a walk (ha ha ha ha)". I asked him, "I thought you were in PETA and didn't like to see animals injured unnecessarily?". He replied to me that "Insects are not animals, they are bugs."

Now from a zoological perspective he is completely wrong but it turns out many people agree with him.

So, since he does not recognize that a bug is indeed an animal then it is ok to torture them in his mind.

The other friend is a vegan or vegetarian. I always get the 2 screwed up. She does not agree with eating meat because of the torturous methods of slaughter used, and instead attempts a diet as much of vegetable as possible.

We were having a discussion and she informed me that it was ok to eat mollusks (clams, crabs, etc) because they could not feel pain, so they could not be tortured.

Again, since she does not recognize that something may actually be capable of feeling pain then slaughtering them and eating them is ok in her mind.

The fact of the matter is that we do not have a clue what other animals or what plants think or feel. We interpret them through our human brain and pronounce our decisions based on what we know and act as if we know everything there is to know.

We can however measure electronically whether a reaction occurs in response to an injury and it has been proven in both plants and animals that when you produce an injury electronic signals travel from that point of injury throughout the plant or animals structure. That reaction, in humans, we call pain and most people find it uncomfortable at best. It is ridiculously arrogant to assume that we are the only biological unit in existence that find it uncomfortable and therefore feel pain.

It is neither good or evil to eat something. It is necessary for all species (plant or animal) in order to stay alive. Everything eats something else over and over and over again.

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You are 100% correct about the breed of vegans that act like jehovah witness trying to convert people and act arrogantly.
No worries

There's quite a bit of a difference between something that has a central nervous system and something that doesn't. Both are living, but only one knows it. A plant doesn't know that it's being cut away from it's root, a pig knows when it's getting boot fucked, and then hung-up and it's fucking throat is cut and it bleeds out. Hopefully that enlightens you a bit.

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You are parading your arrogance as enlightenment.

You have no idea of what a plant can or cannot feel or know as you also have no idea of what a pig can or cannot feel or know. You make assumptions based upon similarity of structures to your own and then state them as fact.

I hope that helps to elucidate the issue for you somewhat.

Yet you somehow have an idea what they feel or know :thumbsup:1orglaugh

This must be a joke. Of course pigs feel pain when they are being cut. That is like basic knowledge.

Here is another random fact - women's brain works different, maybe that explains your ways of thinking.

3 reasons to not be a vegan -

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http://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/imag...at-3-illnesses

http://nationalcheeseburgerday.org/w...-4-cheeses.jpg

Steak For Dinner!

I claim no such thing. I do not know what anyone or anything besides myself feels or knows.

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and that is ignorance. Science knows what I stated above. Things without a central nervous system don't feel...this is a fact. You can't argue that based on your own ignorance.

So you would feel no differently to slice a cows throat or cut off a chickens head than you would to pick a tomato?

That's just fucking weird. :helpme

Hey that tomato has feelings you know and to hurt those feeling is just wrong but at the same time so yummy. Just like the meat from that cows back. He feels the pain and I enjoy eating his pain.
I saw a crocodile rip apart a zebra that was crossing a river so I don't feel bad about eating a cow that was shot it the head.

Can't feel bad about picking a tomato. That's like taking milk from the cow. I think to decapitate a tomato plant you'd have to pull it out of the ground and chop off the roots.

There are numerous animals that play with their food / pick it to pieces (torture) before eating it or just kill for the sake of it.

I imagine pulling a tomato is rather painful, slitting a throat with a sharp knife is painless and bleeding out is a great way to go.

You live somewhere that doesn't grow vegetables I see