I did not argue on my ignorance of whether they can feel or not.

I stated my ignorance of what they think and feel not whether they think and feel.

That animals can think and feel is pretty much established but it isn't as established as you may think. It is within the last 50 years or so that the majority of scientists have finally said, ok, yeah animals can probably think and feel.

The science around plants is newer although it actually goes all the way back to Darwin.

Do plants feel pain? - HowStuffWorks

From VIDEO: Do Plants Respond to Pain? from Amazing Plants | Smithsonian Channel

There are a couple of references for you.

You can thank me later for the lesson on enlightenment. :thumbsup

This is about evolution. Those at the top of the food chain have always eaten everything lower down.

Humans can reason and think about their actions rather than simply rely on instincts.

We can analyze our behavior and make choices based on thought.

We can therefore, empathize with other life forms. We can put ourselves in their place and think how we would feel.

Of course, some use the capacity to think more than others...as is clearly illustrated by the varied comments in this thread.

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I have never killed a cow or a chicken however it never bothered me to clean a fish or prep a rabbit, goose or duck. Like most people in the U.S. I get my beef or chicken already prepared, someone else did the killing but I do not pretend that they were not killed and it does not particularly bother me.

I don't see what is weird about eating either an animal or a plant and recognizing them as food.

I do like to see ethical treatment of animals that will be eaten. I do not like factory farms or sloppy slaughter houses.

But does it or would it bother me to kill an animal for food? No more than it would bother me to pick a tomato or pull out a carrot. The clean up would be the main bother in reality.

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i'm a meat eater but i can feel for vegans. they got strong arguments and we - as humankind - already know better than having to resort to animal sources in our food or other stuff.

key to being a vegan is like the key to everything else: don't be a dick about it

I have a serious question: Is it allowable to eat the pussy of a vegan girl ? :winkwink:

But you have likely physically killed a vegetable.

So there is a difference.

If you really believed there is no difference, then try it, and see how it feels.

I have heard it tastes much sweeter.

If meat is murder, then murder is yummy.

I think tolerance is what everyone needs to work on in this situation.
The lady needed to "when in Rome" at the party, eat what she thinks appropriate and not bring her opinions to the table in a rude manner. At the same time, people need to stay off vegans and vegetarians since they made their choices and it's up to them what they want or don't want to eat.
I look at it this way - I don't like pickled eggs, I think they are filthy... so I don't eat them, but I also don't go around telling people to stop eating them. And furthermore I definitely don't expect anyone coming around telling me I should start eating them. There's a fundamental liberty, if you want, to choose to eat what you like and want to eat. There's no need for anyone to be lectured about their choices.

Trolling again?

Baddog you really are one ignorant mofo. That's definitely the single most ignorant and uneducated comment in this entire thread.

The reasoning for this is probably going to be "this is why we have sharp teeth in the back to cut and grind meat". I hear this from so many meat eaters.

You have reading comprehension problems. I stated that I have killed fish, rabbit, ducks and geese. I don't think there would be much difference between a duck and a chicken really. I have helped gut and prep a deer, not much difference then a cow.

Doesn't matter, this is not about what I would be willing to kill or not. I stated that I would be willing to kill to eat. I have done it, so I know.

Are you willing to kill a cow? I know you are willing to eat one. So you are willing to be an accomplice to killing but are not willing to do it yourself?

This is about what should be considered food and why. I feel that I have stated my case fairly well that both plants and animals are living things and are both sources of food. There is nothing more or less moral about eating just vegetables then there is to eating meat. You are still killing a living thing.

Anytime that you ask a living thing to sacrifice itself so that you can live you should thank them and be respectful of them. You should not purposely torture any living thing.

I believe in nothing. Everything is sacred.
I believe in everything. Nothing is scared.

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How did it feel to kill those cows and chickens? Bother you much?


How about killing those chicken and the salmon, did that bother you much?


just my :2 cents:

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I must be missing your point. The whole purpose of a tomato plant's life is to produce those seed containing fruits. I harvest mine with a sharp knife and they continue producing fruit until winter.

Can you actually kill a vegetable? It's just a seed pod meant to be consumed and distributed by animals. I once cut down a giant redwood with a hatchet. Felt horrible about it but what a trophy for my mantle piece.

Do these animals also process their kills so they can be displayed on their walls, keeping a souvenir of those kills to show off to their friends. Keeping a souvenir the same as serial killers do. Do these animals you are talking about, do they do these things too?

So, why do we have teeth meant for meat as opposed to the style cows have?

edited in: ooops, wrong thread.

I hate when that happens.



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