You live in cloud cuckoo land if you think guns in the hands of private unorganised Americans, can deter the US army and Airforce. Don't compare Americans to Muslims who welcome death. The Government limits the power of the firearms individuals can keep. They have you conned.

vegasbobby compare the US to the Western World for a better indication.

DAMNMAN the aim is to limit the amount of guns in the hands of postal workers, disgruntled teens, people who want to commit suicide and make one last statement. And of course, a driver who got into a road rage and had a gun handy. Plus the idiots who think they can do as they please, like the farmers in Oregon and the idiots in Waco. I could go on and on, but you will ignore it.

Even though Obama has said what it's about.

Robbie, because idiots can get hold of guns and kill people.

As you can read it has a very clear message. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second... ill_of_Rights

It repeatedly says, "A well-regulated militia". That's not anyone with enough money to buy one. If they had intended that, they would not have kept repeating the phrase. If it has been changed to "Anyone with the money" it shows how easily it can be changed.

As for "Hicks". That's no excuse for having no real checks at all. Yes, I've seen the form. I would love to see the moron who ticks the wrong box. You're against Government spending, so a good solution would be the gun buyer has to pay the police a fee to have them verify his ability to control, use, store and keep safe his firearms. This would go towards the cost of policing and relieve the taxpayer. Just like controls on brweing alcohol, driving a car, building a house, grazing right, etc.

The point of the thread is whether a Government in the hands of lobbyist, will allow it to be changed. Something which has flown over most people's heads.

Fuck off Paul.

Who unbanned this asshat???

Obama's family needs protection but the rest of us shouldn't have the right to protect ourselves from "nutters"? Should a 110 pound women be at the mercy of any man that wishes to rape her? Why do you want to take away people's right to defend themselves?

paul, STFU. its not about a militia or some nutters facing off vs the army. Duh. why do you even bring up such nonsense?

its about what happens when the 1st world instantly becomes the 3rd world, when the government falls to a loose nuke, or when a solar storm renders the grid inoperable for months.

spoiled 1st world westerners...like you...take the 1st world for granted, like its always gonna be there. in 2008, that wall street crash coulda led to anarchy if the banking system stopped operating. when something like that happens, guaran-fuckin-teed, you better have a gun! they wont be on the gun shelves when you suddenly realize you need one.

unarmed dumbasses like you will be the first to perish, when maurading bands of people with guns are looking for food & booty. i would welcome an anarchy, to shed the human race of the takers.

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Because that right also goes to the nutters.

This is what you and Joshua fail to grasp, even though it's obvious. There are no real checks and balances, no filtering, monitoring, and very weak control on the effectiveness and killing power of firearms and ammunition any nutter can buy.

You won't be facing a nutter with a baseball bat. You'll be facing one with little to lose, in a rage and armed to the teeth. So it becomes an arms races with no promise of mutual destruction. Which is why it's best to shoot first and not think. Which today soldiers are vigorously trained to do. And you are not.

Your analogy of the 110-pound woman is null and void when the rapist bought a gun that morning. To add to his arsenal of guns. Even after being convicted of sex crimes.

And as others say the US is so saturated with guns, there's no need to buy one in a shop.

Yeah! Fuck off, Paul. Fuck right the fuck off.