to look like his grand father and be more charismatic

i don't want to read a book to understand a movie. Period.

Neither should you have to.
I'm with you on this one. A movie should be self explanatory. :2 cents:

Well this turned out to be a surprisingly good thread. No, seriously. Lots of good points.

If they're both idiot kids, how did they marshal the resources to build a 20x death star that sucks suns?

The villains were crap. Two teenagers who just met easily defeated them with a weapon they barely understand.

They can build an entire planet that can destroy other planets, but they get defeated by ancient Han Solo (who can't defeat 20 lowlife gangsters) and two meet cute kids with zero experience. Sure storm troopers are trained .... to flip theatrically in the air when they die after being hit by one shot. After he turns good, FN is basically killing dudes left and right. Stupid.

Yes, it kinda sucked for the reasons stated above. Sure there is some fun eye candy and nostalgic bits ... BUT it was marred by poor story telling, weak villains and unoriginal ideas. I saw the original Star Wars about a dozen times in the theater. Once is enough for this one.

As terrible as the prequel movies were, I'm realizing they did a better job telling a story.

It's even worse than that:
They can't do shit to deactivate the shields, however, they magically stumble upon Captain Phasma who's the head of all Storm troopers.
She gives in without a fight and nicely deactivate the shields for them.
Technically she had the choice between death and betrayal then death and chose the later.

It doesn't make sense... :error

I don't want to sound like I consider this movie as shit, I think it was pretty decent, but it's full of inconsistencies and loopholes that are not worthy of the saga. :2 cents:

Surprisingly it was one of the things that wasn't an issue for me. The whole Emo thing and the tantrums is what gave credence to his inability to match Rey when he was trying to extract the info he needed, and will more than likely be explained in the next episode as to why he and Luke parted ways. Suffering from an inferiority complex. And part of what gives Snoke the control he exacts over him.

I enjoyed the film, it wasn't stellar for me. I think that Rey was portrayed very well. Finn, well that could have been played better. I would expect less "Street" from a soldier that was taken as a child and raised with a single purpose. Some of the story suffered at the expense of needing more battle scenes. Not sure why R2 was immobile until the exact moment that his info was needed.

You may be right on that. I've only seen it once too, and what I remember was it (Luke's defunct training) having ended due to a betrayal. Hopefully that will be expounded upon going forward.

In the movie, Han Solo says that Luke was training a new generation of Jedi, and one of the ones he was training turned on him and destroyed it. The Wookieepedia seems to believe he did, in fact, kill them, but we haven't actually SEEN anything on the screen that says it specifically. The internetz are based on some canon, some speculation.

IMO: I don't think Kylo Ren killed them. He may have led the Knights of Ren there to destroy them, but I don't think *REN* lifted a light saber to anyone. And I think THIS is why it's so important that he kills Han.

Just thinking about little Emo Ben... trying to be the big, baddie like Grandpa but having too much good like Mommy and Uncle Luke in him. If he had slaughtered a bunch of (potentially young) Jedi trainees, that should have put an end to a lot of the light side/dark side struggle he's going through. That's why he had to kill Han. Or felt like he did. Because that would cement that he's #TeamDarkside and maybe stop the ickle Light Side feelings he's been suppressing and fighting with.

It wasn't really a death star. It was a planet with a built in supercannon in it.

The First Order didn't have many capital ships in their fleet (i think they only showed one Star Destroyer), so maybe all the resources were poured into building that supercannon.

The First Order had also a lot of time to recover since ROTJ. The New Republic government cut them slack and didn't bother chasing them down.