You might want to read that a little closer. It wasn't done by the AMA. They merely ran the story on their site.
It was done by the Federal Govt. Health & Human Services dept. (who work for Pres. Obama) and used a gallup poll to come up with their conclusions.

Here is a quote directly from that link:
"This study used a survey approved by the Gallup Corporation’s institutional review board. The authors at HHS only had access to deidentified data, which is exempted as nonhuman subjects research under the HHS Common Rule."

Don't fall for the propaganda. Those of us paying for our own insurance (because we own our own businesses) know the truth.

Oh, the irony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole
UC Davis report exposes loopholes in gun-control laws ? UC Davis Health System Feature Story
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us...ecks.html?_r=0
Little-known gun trust loophole facing closure by Obama's executive action | US news | The Guardian


Are you a criminal but still want a gun? you can do it for $99. https://nfalawyers.com

I hope you enjoyed being educated by an "ignorant fuck".

There are quite a lot of articles about obamacare working in California. By many accounts, its not a complete failure. Personally, I like Bernie Sanders single payer plan.

No irony. Look up the stats online for yourself.

And I know for a fact what I'm paying for health insurance. It's now DOUBLE what it was in 2009 when Obama took office. :(

I don't listen to propaganda. I see what is happening to me and other business owners. And I look at facts.

I notice that a lot of folks on GFY seem to spend most of their time reading opinionated websites or getting their "news" from MSNBC and nowhere else.

Kinda funny how you didn't pay any attention to what I had in the rest of that reply. Which refuted the propaganda that was being shoveled out.

You mean "working" as in not costing a fortune?

Link 'em up bro. I'd like some good news. :)

Ill grab some when I get to my laptop, maybe we can sort it out. Hah

We shall save the USA right here on GFY! :)

OK, so your truly are that stupid. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

An NFA Trust DOES NOT allow a prohibited person to legally own or possess a firearm. Only an ignorant fuck would think that. Just because a person is listed on a trust does not automatically make them a non-prohibited person.

FYI idiot...I own a website that sells NFA Trusts through a partnership with an attorney. I have also written multiple articles about them.

Compared to what we have in Europe, and the rest of the Western World. It's a cock up. There's no way premiums should be rising, considering what the rest of the world pays. In fact, the world's best healthcare systems cost a lot less and care for people a lot better.

World Health Organization?s Ranking of the World?s Health Systems | thepatientfactor.com

Most Efficient Health Care 2014: Countries - Bloomberg Best (and Worst)

And the craziest part is some blame, Obama. He's not to blame, the private sector of the Health Service is 100% to blame for over charging people for a civilised necessity. Will Americans start to vote out the politicians sucking off the Corporate teat?


Like gun control. Arguing about the better control of these firearms is pointless when it comes to this.

So people can buy them, they just need a better license. It's pretty ineffectual. Why not make all firearms subject to a $200 tax and put the money into protecting children in school?

The sane argument is to ask. WTF do people need these type of firearms for?

The problem with both situations is the degree of propaganda that's been pumped into Americans.

Still it's further proof the Second Amendment can be tweaked.

losing sports is different man :winkwink:

Americans get pretty fucking sick and tired of you thinking you need to

1. keep complaining about America

2. keep thinking you need to educate Americans on America.

i mean really, what's the fucking point of you even bringing up some fucking bullshit comparison of countries here? this is about Obamacare specifically and if it's working for the USA, not if it's working in some fucking contest.

and besides, you're full of fucking shit, you quoted Robbie's post about Obamacare and how it's not working for US, not how it's not working for you.

but most importantly,

3. gofuckyourfuckingself with your incessant fucking need to change our Constitution. we got it a long time ago, according to you, we need to change our Constitution to suit you better.

Ridiculing anyone for tearing up over something that hits their hearts, really sociopathic, or attention whorish. What a stupid thread :disgust

Who the fuck let Paul and his ignorant ramblings loose again?


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As I said in my first reply in this thread, I don't believe Obama is a "bitch" or should be ridiculed for tearing up.

I DO think that he could have stopped himself from crying and at the very least wiped away the tear instead of allowing it to roll down his cheek (like you or I would do in public).

Instead he allowed himself to get carried away emotionally and made sure that it was visible that he was crying.
That is a calculated move that he planned and executed perfectly.

If you believe otherwise, that is your right. But in my experience in the world of entertainment (and that is what any politician in front of cameras is doing, no matter how serious the subject matter), NOTHING is done that isn't scripted and planned. (unless you are Trump)

You failed to debate the subject.

The American healthcare system is working fine for me, costs members of my family an arm and a leg, though, as for educating Americans. Are you still in the dark about getting ripped off?

Any law that's out of date has to be changed. America has changed a lot of the original Constitution by amending it to keep pace with the times, to suit you better. Not me.

As for concern about what happens in the US, seeing as you dragged us into an illegal war, one that a member of my family fought in. The consequences of that war are still costing British lives and will continue. I feel I have a right to debate who runs America.

ya, i respect your opinion Robbie, and i do know the insider shit that fills politics, my family has been deeply involved in political positions for many generations. And it's sickening even down to local governments from State, to county to city (even down to mayors and city council).

But for a human being to show emotion at some point is just natural. The DECISIONS he makes are the ones that show signs of weakness or strength.

I agree with his aims for gun laws, to make background checks more strict, NOT to take guns away from people nor to make gun purchases illegal. anyways, that's another whole topic hehe.

"Make gun laws more strict" ..... Meaningless political catch phrase, please look at the below ATF form that must be filled out then submitted to the FBI as part of the approval process. What's missing? What needs to be more "strict" ???


http://i.imgur.com/uMLv3rU.png


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I don't know jscott...I get the rationale behind gun "restrictions". But it's a direct violation of the constitution for the govt. to do it.
The Founding Fathers knew that govt. is the most dangerous thing we have. Our govt. has killed more people than any group of crazy people with a gun ever will.

And not everyone wants to be put on an FBI database like a common criminal just for buying a gun.
Hell, I know some older folks who refuse to give their Social Security number to banks! And they are right. We aren't supposed to give it to anybody. But we all end up giving it to everybody from the bank to the power company.
And then people wonder why their "identity" gets stolen. lol

If we really want to bow down to the Federal Govt. (the same bunch who spy on us, get us into wars, have done things to cause people to become "terrorists" worldwide, ran up 20 trillion in debt, etc., etc.) and disarm ourselves...then it should be done the RIGHT way.
Amend the Constitution.

Even if you just want to give the govt. the right to restrict guns in ANY way...the constitution needs to be amended.

There is a reason that guns are the 2nd amendment and not the 10th or 11th.
The Founding Fathers knew (from fighting a bloody war against an oppressive govt.) the danger of govt. and the need for power to remain with the people.

Over the decades we've given up so much power to the Federal Govt. that most of us think that's the way it's supposed to be.

Imagine that....A British man complaining about the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Whoda thunk it? :1orglaugh

L-Pink, "the gun show loophole, most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals"

Robbie, you are talking about a constitution that is created in the 1700's. Do you think in 1000 years from now we will have and be needing the exact same shit? Times change. The Revolutionary war is over, the Civil war is over.

What you are saying is you want to prohibit individuals from selling/transferring guns to each other. I would need a permit to give a gun to my brother/girlfriend?

Not being argumentative, just asking.


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So you think that the enduring principles of the Constitution are no longer any good?

Ideals and freedoms are never outdated in my opinion.

I definitely don't think any of the current crop of "leaders" are in any way on a level of a Jefferson, Washington, or a Franklin.

If you throw out the Constitution, then you no longer have the United States Of America.
It IS the basis for the legality of the entire thing.

You have a "brother/girlfriend"? Holy shit that is kinky! :1orglaugh

Do the FBI approve the sale, and the customer returns to the gun shop to get his guns. Or is it just filled out on the spot in the hope someone checks it, and the ID was real?

I ask this because when my Mother and Father ran a pawn shop in Hawaii Gardens they had to fill in similar paperwork on items they bought. Paperwork that was rarely checked. It looks like the landing form given to people visiting the US. would love to meet the guy who fills that one in wrongly.

Robbie, there are already restrictions on the Arms people can buy.

As for not giving ID, that's fine. Don't have a bank account, utilities, police, etc. But when it comes to measures to reduce the number of innocent children killed while at school. At least, some are trying to not increase the number of guns in the hands of nut cases.

He looks stunning in heels and a wig.

Robbie clearly gets it. If you disagree with him then you're either not an American or you're a traitor. There is no in-between.

The paperwork is filled out at the gun dealer, purchasers ID is checked/verified, information is called into the FBI who then check their databases. Approval is up to a week. The gun does NOT leave the store until the dealer has been told by the FBI the customer is approved.

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Why so upset? Did I strike a nerve?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/26/us...-firearms.html


The Trust is ONE of the Loopholes.

I would like to read some of your articles - please post links.

A loophole? ... How about a way for law abiding citizens to comply with existing laws.


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WOW.

You know what? Ignore my last post good buddy. I am definitely not an American, but I'm no traitor either. Regardless, I'm pretty sure you want nothing at all to do with me or at the very least, will ignore any idea on the subject, so just forget I even exist please. Better yet, just add me to your ignore list.

Peace.

But of course.. ! Can't law abiding citizens do this already?

Robbie, i haven't fully digested these articles, but here are some that suggest Obamacare is working in California.

food for thought.

Obamacare works in California. Here's why. - LA Times

Obamacare is (still) working: California puts the lie to right-wing horror stories - Salon.com

California Obamacare

The Latest From California: Obamacare is Working | Mother Jones

ObamaCare works | TheHill

http://sph.berkeley.edu/obamacare-wo...rnia-heres-why

When you become an American Citizen, have 2 Type 7 FFLs, 2 Class II SOTs, are the webmaster for one of the Nations most successful gun lobbies, own an NFA Trust website that has partnered with a firearms attorney, write for multiple gun blogs and have logged over 100 hours sitting in ATF seminars....Let me know. Until then, you have a LONG way to go before you can debate these laws with me.

Wanna get started? I have an extra SHOT Show pass and will be happy to walk you to the ATF's booth (holding your hand so you don't get shot by all the scary guns along the way) where you can ask them if a felon is legally allowed to possess an NFA item through a trust. Feel free to also ask them about all these other so called "loopholes" while you're at it. This is a serious offer. SHOT Show is Jan. 19-22 in Vegas. Put up, or STFU.

@dynamo

Amid slower growth, California's Obamacare exchange cuts proposed spending - LA Times

I guess that one billion dollars is part of the "not one thin dime" that President Obama claimed that Obamacare wouldn't cost taxpayers :(

that's not one of the articles i linked! :1orglaugh

either way, not claiming to understand AHA, , just claiming i came across several viewpoints that suggested it's working here, food for thought. again, as i stated, i'm not a fan of the entire AHA, but i'm interested in seeing what parts of it work and which parts do not.

From what I understand the whole thing is financially in trouble.

I was kind of astounded when he made that the first thing on his list when he took office.
The country was on the verge of economic collapse, people had no jobs, homes were being foreclosed on, Social Security isn't exactly financially stable, and he actually campaigned on how "un-American" it was for Bush to run up the national debt!
And then he adds a giant bureaucracy that is in control of 1/3 of the nation's economy and forced people to pay for insurance who didn't even need it (like young and healthy people). :(

Just didn't add up to me how a govt. that is already debt-ridden could spend even more money like this.

But if you recall...he sold us a bill of goods on how it was going to actually DECREASE the Federal deficit and DECREASE every family's insurance bill by $2,500 a year.

Nope...

i think he had his mind made up upon entering office that his #1 deal would be healthcare reform, so yes, it was a mistake for him to not back-burner it when 2008 happened. nevertheless, we did and do need reform, certainly he was genuine in wanting and trying to get a better system, but he's really a junior politician when you think about it. well, was then. but if we're going to repeal it change it whatever the next pres says it is, we can glean some things out of it. i want to think single-payer is a better way, but many think that's too socialists, too expensive.

One thing is for sure, we need to pay off the national debt ASAP.

Get out of the business of war and military and get people back to work. Once the debt is paid, THEN we can think about taxing ourselves to pay for other people to go to the doctor.

Or maybe, just maybe we could get the economy kicking enough ass that people could take care of themselves again. :)

I agree that it a law that has some serious flaws and it has run into some problems, but I'm not so sure a republican president would just repeal it.

A little while back I read an article that talked about how many of he republican leaders feel like they can't just repeal it because there are now several million people who have health insurance that didn't have it before Obamacare and they would lose their coverage. Those people would likely be angry and could show their anger by voting democrat. Most of the republican candidates seem to be saying "repeal and replace" I guess it will all come down to what that replacement is.

Awful acting by this miserable actor.

I was in Whole Foods yesterday talking on the phone. You should have seen the looks of shock and dismay I received.

"Of course he should be impeached. It is a sign of utter weakness. Men do not cry. I guarantee you Trump wouldn't cry. Obama is revealing his true self. He is 2 steps away from swishing around in a dress like that sissy son of the Fresh Prince. Impeach his ass now. That will give him something to cry about".

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

i find it funny how you can see the party politics oozing through everyones comments.

Wake up, every president is executing the same agenda no matter what fake party they represent. I don't blame you for not seeing that since the vast majority of people has been brainwashed since birth into believing that it does matter.

btw does he cry as well because of all the children in the middle east being bombed to tiny bits?