99 % of muslims are normal, its true. and they want to live normal life which means: have wife, kids, house, earn money and so on.
anyway, I would still prefer to live close to Muslim from Indonesia or Pakistan than a muslim from, lets say, Saudi Arabia or Morocco

exactly, how someone in XXI century follows some book that guys on drugs (or whatever) wrote thousands of years ago is out my imagination....
The guys who exploit it by choosing the only fragments that serve their sick ideology and political goals should be hanged by balls in my opinion. these are the real sick bastards exploiting the others

Because Europe's population is dropping...

Why is Germany letting a million in? Because long term stats show large declines in population. Someone's gotta scrape the shit out of oldies arses with a spoon, hence immigration.

Put it this way, no Swedish kid is ever gonna be a dustman, so where do they get them from?

In Sweden15Yo refuge killed with knife a girl 22yo girl in the refugee centar.

Valid point, but I never understood why isn't a particular country fixing this issue, by giving more benefits to its current population... under benefits I don't mean free cash for 3rd, 4th etc child. But if you have 3 or more children, then you don't need to pay taxes for 'x' amount of years, or something like that. This way the uneducated, unemployed, lazy people will not breed, because they won't get anything out of the tax exempt thingy.

That's an interesting issue, but by cutting back benefits for unemployed when there is work available should fix it to some extent..

bro you are wrong about morocco...the only country in north africa that I did not feel 100% welcome was unfortunately algeria...never been to saudi arabia they do not recognize tourism...would love to go tho, I hear their side of the red sea is fabulous for diving...

morocco, tunis, libya, egypt = completely fine...

Moroccans, the 2nd generation who have been born here in Holland, are 5 times more criminal than native Dutch people. Chinese don't do this. Indonesians don't. Moroccans are infamous for robberies, street violence and herassing women here.

I haven't been to Morocco though, i hear from people who have that the Moroccans there are normal compared to them here.

But i have been to Tunis. What a mess that was: The people there are the most horrible people i have ever come across in any country. Extremely pushy. Extremely disrespectful to any girl/woman who is white. Annoying personalities. Hypocrites when it comes to their faith: The few hours liquor stores were open, all the locals ran to it and came out with a minimum of 2 giant bags full of liquor.

The people there completely fucked up the experience i had there. I couldn't have imagined it would be that bad, i went in with an open mind to enjoy the sun and I went away with a repulsion for the people. I was never happier to go home, and i have been to alot of countries.

2nd generation morrocans are 5x more criminal just like black people in the USA are more criminal than white...it is not the same to be black or white in the USA and EU...xenophobia is a real problem in EU and USA...in austria for example they made me sign a letter in german stating that I will not be attending next year, they knew 0 about me, it was my first day in school and they were under obligation to enroll me in school by law...I come from a banking family, I am highly educated and gave them no reason at all to doubt me...xenophobia is standard procedure in the EU...

in the USA the black population had to have military escort (police was not enough LOL) to attend school...

refugees and immigrants are what you make of them :2 cents: fuck up their countries and treat them like shit when they run to your country and you will get EXACTLY what you are looking for...

Egypt is fine when you are in a sealed resort, beautiful nature, sea etc. But Cairo was a total disaster, like a ghetto - garbage (animal poo) everywhere, shitty half-finished buildings (except tourist attractions/hotels/nice restaurants)..

Yap, letting in millions of immigrants (fake refugees) of different skin color then white, giving them shelter etc. is an excellent example for how xenophobic is the EU :)

actually I was in Morocco two times and it was OK.
They behave a little different there than in, lets say, Amsterdam. :winkwink::winkwink:
and yeah, I remember the guys buying alcohol in black bags after the dark because "allah wont see it"... well, it was rather funny for me

yeah, usually the sense of humour helps in such situations :winkwink:
Moroccans are also a little pushy if you allow them to be like that, if you stand firm, with distance and laughing to yourself, they will let you in peace :)

nothing better than going to a country to see a resort, and later talk that you actually visited the country:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why do you keep blaming the US? you obviously have no understanding of the situation and history of Islam and the people of these regions.

BBC report says army ?atrocities? in Balochistan never see light of day | Pakistan Today

Is the US responsible for the atrocities of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire?

Responsible for the Genocide after India was given Independence?

Responsible for the Moors invasion of Spain in the 8th Century?

If America hadn't armed the Jihadist in Afghanistan, the Russians would have wiped out Bin Laden.

Your problem when discussing this with me, is I have Google. I suggest you use it. Killings for Islam And find out why Saladin had a well trained and battle hardened army ready to fight the Crusaders.

you are going the "they have been killing others for centuries" way...well I have news: so have christians and every other nation/religion/group you can think of....everybody has been killing each other since the beginning of time...

the current state of events is mostly to blame on EU colonialism, and US foreign policy...

but I am wasting my time explaining because the white man is never ever to blame...the white man drops all the bombs, controls all the money, has all the power ect but the white man is never ever to blame...only the poor dessert goat herders are to blame :1orglaugh they do not drop the bombs, they control nothing, nobody asks them shit but they are to blame always :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Well if that's the case, it would seem that letting them into Europe isn't exactly in the EU's best interests.

Also, European countries like Sweden and Austria never even had overseas colonies and yet the beard necks hate them every bit as much as they hate the Brits and the French. Why is that?

I agree. If you rob somebody like the west robbed the middle east of its future, it is in your best interest to not face the consequences.

I actually spent 2 years in Austria. The EU is xenophobic. If you are anything but a certain type of EU you are pretty much a 2nd class citizen. Even getting an education is a problem, I was asked to sign a paper in an Austrian public school that I would not attend next year. I am not colored or muslim, I come from a banking family and I am highly educated and gave them no reason for this. It was my first day in school there they did not know SHIT about me.

The muslims do not hate you because of colonialism, they hate you because you hate them first, and treat them like 2nd class human beings. The EU does not like immigrants. I spent 13 years in 5 different countries, and have traveled most the world. The west does not like immigrants, the end.

The white man is never ever to blame in the eyes of the white man. He has all the power, drops all the bombs, controls all the money, but is never ever to blame :thumbsup

We have slowed down, they're speeding up. It has been 100s of years since we killed people based on how they worshipped Christianity. Still we are guilty of murdering millions, when we allow a mad man to get control. That's how easy it is to stimulate hatred. Ask ISIS.

If the white man is to blame. Why are black and brown men so intent on killing each other and not us?

We are to blame for removing the despots who control these countries, for helping the Jihadists remove the Russians. Their world would be safer with Russian's ruling in Afghanistan, Assad in Syria, Gadhafi in Libya, and Saddam in Iraq. Look how peaceful Iran, Saudi, etc. are with a government dominated by Islam and leaders who kill anyone who steps out of line.

And yes we have progressed a lot further than many, can you explain why the White man is so advanced? Considering the brown and black men had a head start?

I can. Nothing to do with colour.

Are you Austrian or were you paying for your education?

So why do Muslims hate Muslims?

The EU loves migrants. If they can live off their own money and contribute.

The white man is to blame for brown men killing brown men? How did you reach that conclusion?

If you can not see the negative effects that centuries of exploitation has on developing a stable and prosperous society then you are either playing dumb or you simply do not understand what colonialism is.

Set back a society 100 years and they will behave accordingly. :2 cents:

There is no way that the white man will not pay. Closed boarders or not, the best the white man can do now is kick the can down the road.

Countries are obliged to provide schooling for ALL legal foreigners like me, with valid visas. They did not know SHIT about me, they asked me to sign myself out of the school for next term on day 1. It is pure and systematic racism, they wanted to get rid of me on day 1 without ANY reason.

When my father found out he enrolled me to an american private school in vienna, they took me with open arms, but american high school is so dumbed down I was afraid for my education and enrolled myself in a christian private school in german, so that I would keep my brain alive :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

A real muslim does not hate anybody. Islam has nothing to do with hate.

Yes you have snippets and quotes you found somewhere on the net. I doubt you have ever talked to an imam or been anywhere normal where you had normal contact with normal muslims. Next to budhhists they are the kindest people you will meet.

Islam has as much to do with hate as cathoilcism has to do with child sex abuse. You will find lots and lots of examples of catholic priests fucking little boys. One could easily put the argument forward that catholicism is all about gay butt fucking young boys, but you and I both know this is bullshit based on our experience with the religion at hand.

The same stands true for islam, only you do not know because you have no experience with it. You know probably some immigrants in the UK who got xenophobed and reduced to 2nd grade citizens, like EU people like to do, but it is painfully obvious you have never spent time in islamic countries like I have.

so after all this muslim and other immigrant bashing lets appreciate and enjoy how intelligent or dumb westerns are to spend their tax $$$ on so called refugees like the following
Rioting migrants yesterday- Calais to Dover port - YouTube
Illegal immigrants hijacking trucks to cross Italy and France border to UK - compilation - YouTube

Lets keep talking about them
BRAVO

So far, the only responses in this thread that make some sense include
1. Western countries need immigration due to declining population.
2. Guilt, brainwashing and a tendency to indirectly accept responsibility for destabilizing other countries.
3. Need cheap labour.
1 and 3 are somewhat fine but why not get labour through proper channels rather than let anyone into your house who has no verification papers with him?
So before I put forward my theory as to why western civilization is so dumb when it comes to refugees, anyone else wants to enlighten me - Why westerners let in fraudsters/criminals/murderers but create all kind of impossible hassles for well educated westernized immigrant applicants?

4. want to save hella' on tanning beds :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why is the OP so dumb as to stereotype all westerners as dumb when it comes to refugees?

Yea, we got dumb people here, but there are dumb people everywhere. Stop being so god damned divisive and learn to look at things from a different prospective other than the same one you are complaining about.

The Ottoman Empire was broken up after the First World War 1918. Islam was built on the same basis as Empire building at the tip of a sword. That's what Jihad is.

So your parents should have pointed this out to the authorities and even got a lawyer. How old were you?



I can point to more phrases in the Quran to prove you wrong. so let's assume it's not about real Islam. That puts it squarely on the shoulders of the people.

So why are people from the ME killing each other, and have been doing so since the death of Mohammed? Saladin and his army were killing Muslims before they fought the Crusaders.

You do nothing but deny the facts. The problem is the facts are there proving you wrong. Your story about being denied schooling in Austria simply doesn't ring true. Schools are a mix of many races. In Austria as well as here in Czech.

1. Is a lie. As we move to a more automated world we need fewer people.

2. Has some validity.
And here we can see the message piped into us from the media. There was a headline saying that the same crime is more likely to get a person of colour a prison sentence than a white person. Then giving blanket stats. Second was an article claiming Oxford and Cambridge have too few black students. Nothing was done to validate why these are the facts. Such as Coloured people are more likely to commit a sex crime. This can be easily proved by looking at rape stats by country/race.

The poor commit more crime likely to involve violence, Afro-Caribbean children do badly at school, other ethnic minorities do far better than Whites.

We are culture blind and only see people as colours. Crucifissio is an excellent example of this.

3. Cheap labour is good for the 1%. Big employers and landlords are making huge profits from the overcrowding. Countries like Poland are very adamant the UK has to pay benefits to Polish citizens in the UK. They know that should it be removed, Poland will see 100,000s returning to Poland. Because the taxpayer is subsidising the cheap labour and rents and without that subsidy they will have to return. This shows how biassed the ruling class are to keep the status quo.

Everybody has been killing everybody since the beginning of time...your argument is invalid based on your selective historical evidence that COMPLETELY forgets that the white man did exactly the same...

looking at modern history the violence is with the white man again...WW2 and later all the conflicts have been started by the white man


you posted random snippets, and quoted selective history...

you can chose to call my experience with the austrian schooling system a lie, but it does not mean it did not happen...I claim the EU is xenophobic based on my experience in the EU, not all people are bad, most are good, but the xeno is there...

Very simple
 

[QUOTE=crucifissio;20715896]Everybody has been killing everybody since the beginning of time...your argument is invalid based on your selective historical evidence that COMPLETELY forgets that the white man did exactly the same...

looking at modern history the violence is with the white man again...WW2 and later all the conflicts have been started by the white man.

You're wrong, I male no claim that it's only white people. We are better at it and have been for centuries, that's a fact.

You're wrong about all the conflicts started by White Men. Unless you're saying coloured men are incapable of talking thinks through.

Why Did Prophet Muhammad Go To War?

And there's the loophole for Muslims to kill each other. Even an Islamic blog proves you wrong. Muslims can kill each other if under threat. Muslims worshipping the wrong way are a threat, Muslims who are not sticking 100% to another Muslim's interpretation of Islam, are a threat.

According To The Qur?an, When Are Muslims Required to Fight, And Against Whom?

More.

List of expeditions of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Muslim military leaders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet | History Net: Where History Comes Alive ? World & US History Online | From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher

Yes, I post snippets, over and over and over again. you post nothing but opinion.

I can tell you how the law works here in Czech and in the UK. Unless you can point me to an Austrian law that says the teachers were right to exclude you. Yes, I doubt your claim.

As for the EU being xenophobic. You couldn't be further from the truth. Europeans have no problem with doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc. From different races who have a culture that fits in with ours. We object to having another person's culture that we take offence to thrust upon us. We don't want a culture that regards women as second-class to men, children as possessions, think women should be covered up. Or worse. Have a culture of honor killing and not as open and moderate as we are.

We see inter-marrying and inter-relationships in most races now in the EU. Except with Muslims, they are opposed to this to the point of killing their children for being too Westernised. That's unacceptable whatever their race or colour. With Muslims, it's part of their culture. Even withing Islam it's a problem.

Can you see their problem yet. Or is their hatred towards other Muslims, the fault of the US?

@paul

there are snippets in the quran that forbid any violence or murder but you do not quote them, because it is detrimental to your selected snippets...

I can find plenty of snippets about catholic priests butt fucking young boys...

go to a mosque and ask if they hate you...shit if they say they hate you then you are right, if not then I am right...very simple...

you can doubt my austria experience all you want...they plain gave me a document in german to sign without me even knowing what it was, day one...it does not suck for you the way it did for me...the kids in school were nice to me, but the school management is systematic in its racism...

I did not get any clear response as to why we should open our doors to unverifiable, uneducated, un-grateful fraudsters and at the same time close the door to educated, well groomed immigrants who will assimilate and be an asset in future - So to end the thread I will put forward why I think westerners are so dumb.
1. The first reason I believe it is so is that this is fucking curse on westerners. every strong creature has an Achilles heel. This I think is a weakness embedded at molecular level in western civilization.
I wont go as far to say that it will one day be the nemesis of western civilization but this inability to differentiate friends and foes will cost very heavily for sure.
any thoughts before I post 2nd and more important reason?

stop blaming others. the only one ultimately responsible for your life and happiness is the person you see in the mirror every morning.

a person who truly owns their actions can be happy and prosper even in the midst of hell.

Then post them.

The Bible doesn't approve those acts.

Depends on the mosque. I can go to a lot of websites or turn on the news to prove those people hate me.

Quote the laws. If your parents didn't challenge the rules, that's their fault.

AUSTRIA: Persistent violations of children's rights | CRIN

http://www.oecd.org/austria/44192225.pdf

To help you out as you come across as someone who expects others to help you.

paul if you refuse to ask an authority then this conversation is futile...there has got to be a mosque in your country where you live, go ask them kindly to explain if islam hates other religions...

you can not say "I can go to a lot of websites bla bla"...I can go to a lot of websites that say lizard people rule the world...miley cyrus is lizar overlord!...

I am not denying there is a "hate" version of the quran...a modified quran...the origin of this book:

king Fahd Glorious Quran Printing Complex

its USA-s best boy king fahd of saudi arabia...I have the link to the documentary somewhere its highly interesting I will try to dig it up...the original quran and this "hate" quran are very different...the #1 source for the hate quran is saudi arabia...it is not the quran that is in circulation in regular mosques...

time 4 more introspection

Normal to other Muslims. Not normal to other Westerners. This isn't restricted to Muslims.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/wjc-org-web...arprotest2.jpg

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/14651...ral-london.jpg

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/...-master675.jpg

These people are not "normal" in New York, London or Paris. They're accepted to a greater degree than they accept us. They cling to outdated myths, cultures, and practices that are sometimes illegal in their new home and often unacceptable to us. From slaughtering animals to FGM. Women are second class, some see rape as their right under their religion or culture, forced marriages are common, children who try to integrate risk being ostracized or killed.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...86_634x420.jpg

http://www.indexoncensorship.org/wp-...06_600x400.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...27_634x393.jpg

May are determined to stay as they are and indoctrinate their children to perpetuate their separation from normal society. As seen in the Orthodox Jewish Communities. Unlike the Italiens, Irish, Germans, Afro-Carribean, and other nationalities.

Will that become "Westernised" in a generation or two, or will a large percentile shrink inwards to their cultures?

200 million women and girls live with female genital mutilation, says U.N.

The Old Testament is from the time of the Hebrews, Jews, so nothing to do with Modern Western Society. Except for those who live in the Bible Belt. :1orglaugh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaTLWeOWwAISKP9.jpg
new brend! :1orglaugh

OK, not Islam's fault. Just the fault of the people saying they follow Islam. So it depends on asking the right person to get the right answer.







Yes, the Saudis are as guilty as the rest. They know the way to survive. Kill anyone who threatens you, before they kill you.

As for the original Quran, then why isn't the area at peace?

You're arguing along the same lines in the video Cherry put up. Taking verses from one book and using them as excuses for killing. Which was precisely what we did in the Middle Ages.

Why not find the original peace loving Quran and post a link to it. All I can find are these kinds of quotes.

http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/hate-...ran-verses.jpg

http://freethoughtnation.com/wp-cont...9023079456.jpg

http://www.aggieconservatives.org/files/women_islam.jpg

So let's not blame the Quran, just the people holding the book. Like those holding a bible as heretics burnt to death, IN THE 16TH CENTURY. A time we have left and many Muslims prefer to stay in. Even when living in the West.

You are free to provide quotes from your version of the Quran.

Cologne Carnival: 22 reports of sex assaults despite heavy police presence | Europe | News | The Independent

Cologne attacks: first arrest over New Year's Eve sex assaults | World news | The Guardian

Report about Asian grooming gangs was supressed to avoid inflaming racial tension - Telegraph

West Midlands Police withheld report revealing how Muslim gangs groomed girls | Daily Mail Online

West Midlands Police held back report into Muslim grooming gangs over racial tension fears | UK | News | Daily Express

Seems Islam is unable to stop them.

dead souls will never understand why people have a spiritual impulse and thus will never understand the "problem" of religion.

@paul

you are a good little consumer of media bullshit...if they serve it, you will eat it up like a hungry refugee :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you find links on the net where catholics are all about butt fucking young boys:
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By The Numbers: The Catholic Church's Sex Abuse Scandals
The Vatican's child abuse response - BBC News
What's the State of the Church's Child Abuse Crisis? | FRONTLINE

and pull out some quotes:

"The UN has accused the Vatican of "systematically" adopting policies allowing priests to sexually abuse thousands of children." <-----I did not make this up LOL


and some pics:

http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/ima...8269580_20.jpghttp://cdn1.pri.org/sites/default/fi...ild%20hair.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...346c213ba7.jpg
http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fro...il-Chart-b.png



and there you have irrefutable "proof" that all catholics are pedos and gay but fuckers...this is basically what you sound like to me...you are a victim of the media plain and simple...the media makes a killing from cherry picking data and feeding you what makes them the most money and in this case it is fear...fear sells...hate sells...the truth does not...

Because so far both sides of Government were allowing the migration. The EU made it possible for dirt poor Bulgarian/Romanian/Czech gypsies to move to countries like the UK where they could enjoy a much better benefits system. With no consideration for the natives of the countries receiving the migrants.

Now the tide's starting to turn and we have parties very opposed to this.

@crucifissio

I assume you accept my argument about Islam and now want to move onto the Roman Catholic Church. With that one, you'll get no argument from me.

You missed the trap I set you with the stats on FGM. Some are done by Christians. It's not the religion, it's the savages that preach it.

You could have pointed out the atrocities perpetrated by Christians on South Americans, French, Poland, etc. People who preached the religion and a man who most certainly did not condone any killing. Unlike the Quran.

This happened in december but it was kept out of the media until now:

Sexually Starved Iraqi Refugee Rapes 10-Year-Old Austrian Boy, Says It Was A State Of “Sexual Emergency”

Austria: Police Hid Rapefugee Attack on Child - The New Observer
Iraqi refugee raped 10yo boy in Austria, says it was ?sexual emergency? ? RT News
Iraqi migrant admits raping boy in Austrian pool after having 'too much sexual energy' - Telegraph
Sexually Starved Iraqi Refugee Rapes 10-Year-Old Austrian Boy, Says It Was A State Of ?Sexual Emergency?

Also I see the news it is NOT spreading across europe media at all, but only in russia, canada, usa etc.

The mainstream media in poland is like 90% owned by German companies (axel springer, etc). Practically none of the migrant rapes etc are in our news either.

Interesting story - a german friend of mine was at a police station in Munich because he had to give a statement about something. He asked the cop what's the story with the migrants - the cop said 'the official version is that the population of the city has increased, and crime has increased proportionately with that population increase. The unofficial version is that not a week goes by without lots of problems and mass brawls at the refugee centers"

Because Paul said so. end of thread