I am not implying that you said no immigration but this thread is about allowing criminals and not allowing well educated professionals.
That's what the west excels at somehow.
People fleeing for their lives run to the nearest safe place which happen to be next province or next country, no the richest country offering max $$$$, 10000 kms away.

True to a small extent. But then again these countries can mass import labour if they want so this is one reason but not the only reason

if you think countries flooding themselves with immigrants has to do with anything other then importing cheap and complaint slave labour then you need to wake the fuck up.

it has nothing to do with some fantasy of "libbies" but capitalism and everyone here is a capitalist so who gives a fuck?

If the US or Germany announce tomorrow that they will let anyone in for cheap labour and applicants will have to spend just $1100, I can assure you that the number of applications will be enough to sink a massive ship.
This is not about importing cheap labour, there is much more to it, Although cheap labour is one positive outcome of it.

if only the pesky refugees had manners and went to ethiopia to die in the dessert sparing their ex colonial masters, and US foreign policy buttlickers, the unpleasant situation of not being able to enjoy the fruits of centuries of colonial exploitation and decades of failed US foreign policy...

bro...I have a solution...the EU can make a giant rug...like big enough to cover the whole middle east....we just sweep the whole middle east under the rug, then pretend the problem does not exist! :2 cents::thumbsup

this is a well known way of solving problems, just look the other way and it does not exist and it will go away by itself :thumbsup

shit my dog does it sometimes, when its time for a bath he looks the other way and pretends he does not hear me :1orglaugh

You are correct about current cause of refugee influx but are going way too overboard and not seeing other reasons. Yes the US has raped the middle east recently but the refugee drama has been playing for over two decades. Western countries have been letting in criminals and murderers in the name of providing safe refuge. Look around in the UK US France Germany Canada and Australia How many terrorists from Asian countries descended happily during late eighties and nineties.
The problem in EU could have been fixed in one bloody day - Just had to declare that EU will not accept a single refugee for next five years. Anyone who shows up will be thrown back to country he claims to be from.
Easy.
But obviously there is something else involved here.
And by the way, once again, please do not confuse the issue of why westerners are so dumb with what are causes of refugees running to rich countries. These are two different issues. Thank you.

I agree there should be some system set up to deter criminals, Australia has a ruthless system :2 cents:

So, anyone else who can please enlighten me why westerners are dumb enough NOT to understand that so called refugees in Calais camp who throw stones at passing trucks to slow them down and hitch a ride to apply for asylum in more rich UK rather than not so rich France are not human beings escaping war?

reality: the huge majority of those refugees are not criminals or terrorists...

terrorists from aisan countries descended to US UK France Germany Canada??? what asian terrorists are you exactly referring to and where exactly would I go looking about for them in said countries? dude :1orglaugh

you keep forgetting that not accepting refugees leads to them going to less financially stable countries and destabilizing them and expanding the problem further? <----ignore this all you need, I understand that it is detrimental to your district 9 proposal

as for the refugees throwing rocks, I will dare hazard a guess that not all people who have families to feed back home, or have lost everything, are going to behave like bona fide citizens and quietly wait to be put in camps, where the governments who fucked up their countries in the first place, find most convenient...you have to understand the obvious anger against the dick the west fed their countries and the fact that most of them have connections for jobs and/or family in the exact countries they want to flee to...

sorry to get in the way of your walls and concentration camps proposal herr ober fuhrer :1orglaugh

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Are those refugees really bad people or they just do terrible things in other countries?
Do they think moving to another country earn you the right to shit in public places?

This thread is not about those who shit but about those who let themselves be shitted upon

I did not quote random shit. I quoted the Quran and only a small part. Go quote the New Testament and see how much of it talks about hate. The Old Testament which is based on the Judaic Bible does have a lot of hate in it.

The problem comes when people take the parts they want and apply it. The problems in Yugoslavia come from the time the Turks decided to invade Europe.

Islam does hate non-believers, you're saying those who have abandoned strict Islam no longer hate us. They just don't like us enough to allow us to date or marry their children or allow their women to dress like us. However after visiting Bosnia, I saw some are changing.

If it's not Isalm causing the problems. It has to be the people who follow it, in the regions that have problems. You blame the West, and in particular, the US.

Are Western Troops there on the ground fighting, is it a few individuals fighting, or is it a lot of people trying to kill each other and need little reason to slaughter fellow Muslims?

Yes, we removed regimes in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc. These regimes were savage and killed without thinking. Without any pushing by the West. Once removed did the people get around a table to talk the situation through and come to an agreement for the benefit of all the people in that country?

No, they all started to fight internally and made every attempt to ruin the lives of the people. Whether it was right or wrong to invade, they were given a golden opportunity to change. all they did was show us why savage regimes are the only way to rule these people.

I have no idea what you're referring to. Probably individual cases. In the UK, there are 100,000s qualified immigrants.

Europe already has that system, and it's all about cheap labour.

Just a higher percentage are criminals and terrorists. This is proven that when they do arrive in the West, they bring the East with them.

The vast majority are people who will not integrate, expect their hosts to change to accommodate them, expect the citizens of these countries to have lower wages, higher rents, worse education, health services, social care and to be given money. They will dress their women to stay apart, many will keep their women and children as second rate citizens, teach their children to do the same. Even to the extent of killing those who don't adhere. Honour Killings are something you should research. As I said, it's a religion of hate. And they insist on bringing it with them.

They're not here in Czech, or in any other country with a frugal or strict benefits system. They're walking through very safe countries to get to those that will give them more. There's not one single person in the Calais Camp in fear of their lives from anyone but fellow migrants. They face more risk in those camps than applying for Asylum in Greece. Most have thrown away their passports, so can't prove who they are or if they face execution or imprisonment back home.

crucifissio, I don't know where you live or how much you have studied the situation. Here's my take on it.

Radical and political Islam is like Christianity was until the 30 years war. It ruled over States as a superior authority. Roman Catholic laws were above laws of the country, the best example is Henry the VIII needing the Pope's permission to remarry to provide the England a male heir.

Their power was being able to decide who went to heaven and who dod not.

Islam wants to rule above State's lawmakers and in many countries today their laws are founded on Islam. Even Ireland until recently banned the sale of contraceptives. The difference is today the Irish didn't execute people for breaking religious laws. Many Muslim countries still do, as do ISIS, Al Queda, Boko Harem and many more Muslims like Fathers that kill daughters for not marrying the person chosen for them.

Give that power to priests like we did and it's a great tool to make people die to take power, land and property from those who currently have it. And should you die in your fight to establish the right version of Islam, you get 70 virgins in Heaven.

Those holding guns and killing aren't a minority, they're the ones with the best guns and army. Should that be the ones fleeing, we would see the otherside fleeing. Assuming they will not bring the Eastern Culture with them is ignoring the reality, they do bring it and do enforce it on their children.

Will they integrate over time? Not until they leave Islam behind them. Because Isalm forbids them to integrate and commands them to convert us. You might as well ask a Roman Catholic and Protestants in the 16th Century to integrate. They decided it was best to sort it our by war.

Religion or culture or a combination. It's the foundation of the problem and bring people here doesn't make it go away.

@paul

you are so wrong about islam its just obvious you have never spent time in islamic countries....they are normal people just like you and me...they like allah instead of batman or whatever...this is the only difference...

I understand that the EU and USA need to protect themselves from decades of their own foreign policy and are finding "great reasons" to turn people away that are running from what was served to them by the west...

it does not matter bro...its amusing to watch and the more you "district 9" them the bigger the problem will become...EU will stop licking US foreign policy asshole sooner or later...the EU will be like israel LOL...we will bring back apartheid LOL

Muslims have been killing each other and conquering other people for 1,400 years. You have to be a retard to believe that Islamic terrorists are a result of US policy. It's the religion that's the problem at its core. Europe will go the way of the Sasanian Empire if they continue to let the economic migrants pour in. How many Zoroastrians do you know in real life? Probably zero.

More deaths from "Terrorists" or Americans shooting each other?

More rapes by refugees or Catholic priests?

More Christians in UK jails than Muslims?



But never let facts get in the way of that pure feeling of hatred for people of a different culture.

99 % of muslims are normal, its true. and they want to live normal life which means: have wife, kids, house, earn money and so on.
anyway, I would still prefer to live close to Muslim from Indonesia or Pakistan than a muslim from, lets say, Saudi Arabia or Morocco

exactly, how someone in XXI century follows some book that guys on drugs (or whatever) wrote thousands of years ago is out my imagination....
The guys who exploit it by choosing the only fragments that serve their sick ideology and political goals should be hanged by balls in my opinion. these are the real sick bastards exploiting the others

Because Europe's population is dropping...

Why is Germany letting a million in? Because long term stats show large declines in population. Someone's gotta scrape the shit out of oldies arses with a spoon, hence immigration.

Put it this way, no Swedish kid is ever gonna be a dustman, so where do they get them from?

In Sweden15Yo refuge killed with knife a girl 22yo girl in the refugee centar.

Valid point, but I never understood why isn't a particular country fixing this issue, by giving more benefits to its current population... under benefits I don't mean free cash for 3rd, 4th etc child. But if you have 3 or more children, then you don't need to pay taxes for 'x' amount of years, or something like that. This way the uneducated, unemployed, lazy people will not breed, because they won't get anything out of the tax exempt thingy.

That's an interesting issue, but by cutting back benefits for unemployed when there is work available should fix it to some extent..

bro you are wrong about morocco...the only country in north africa that I did not feel 100% welcome was unfortunately algeria...never been to saudi arabia they do not recognize tourism...would love to go tho, I hear their side of the red sea is fabulous for diving...

morocco, tunis, libya, egypt = completely fine...

Moroccans, the 2nd generation who have been born here in Holland, are 5 times more criminal than native Dutch people. Chinese don't do this. Indonesians don't. Moroccans are infamous for robberies, street violence and herassing women here.

I haven't been to Morocco though, i hear from people who have that the Moroccans there are normal compared to them here.

But i have been to Tunis. What a mess that was: The people there are the most horrible people i have ever come across in any country. Extremely pushy. Extremely disrespectful to any girl/woman who is white. Annoying personalities. Hypocrites when it comes to their faith: The few hours liquor stores were open, all the locals ran to it and came out with a minimum of 2 giant bags full of liquor.

The people there completely fucked up the experience i had there. I couldn't have imagined it would be that bad, i went in with an open mind to enjoy the sun and I went away with a repulsion for the people. I was never happier to go home, and i have been to alot of countries.

2nd generation morrocans are 5x more criminal just like black people in the USA are more criminal than white...it is not the same to be black or white in the USA and EU...xenophobia is a real problem in EU and USA...in austria for example they made me sign a letter in german stating that I will not be attending next year, they knew 0 about me, it was my first day in school and they were under obligation to enroll me in school by law...I come from a banking family, I am highly educated and gave them no reason at all to doubt me...xenophobia is standard procedure in the EU...

in the USA the black population had to have military escort (police was not enough LOL) to attend school...

refugees and immigrants are what you make of them :2 cents: fuck up their countries and treat them like shit when they run to your country and you will get EXACTLY what you are looking for...

Egypt is fine when you are in a sealed resort, beautiful nature, sea etc. But Cairo was a total disaster, like a ghetto - garbage (animal poo) everywhere, shitty half-finished buildings (except tourist attractions/hotels/nice restaurants)..

Yap, letting in millions of immigrants (fake refugees) of different skin color then white, giving them shelter etc. is an excellent example for how xenophobic is the EU :)

actually I was in Morocco two times and it was OK.
They behave a little different there than in, lets say, Amsterdam. :winkwink::winkwink:
and yeah, I remember the guys buying alcohol in black bags after the dark because "allah wont see it"... well, it was rather funny for me

yeah, usually the sense of humour helps in such situations :winkwink:
Moroccans are also a little pushy if you allow them to be like that, if you stand firm, with distance and laughing to yourself, they will let you in peace :)

nothing better than going to a country to see a resort, and later talk that you actually visited the country:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why do you keep blaming the US? you obviously have no understanding of the situation and history of Islam and the people of these regions.

BBC report says army ?atrocities? in Balochistan never see light of day | Pakistan Today

Is the US responsible for the atrocities of the Turks and the Ottoman Empire?

Responsible for the Genocide after India was given Independence?

Responsible for the Moors invasion of Spain in the 8th Century?

If America hadn't armed the Jihadist in Afghanistan, the Russians would have wiped out Bin Laden.

Your problem when discussing this with me, is I have Google. I suggest you use it. Killings for Islam And find out why Saladin had a well trained and battle hardened army ready to fight the Crusaders.

you are going the "they have been killing others for centuries" way...well I have news: so have christians and every other nation/religion/group you can think of....everybody has been killing each other since the beginning of time...

the current state of events is mostly to blame on EU colonialism, and US foreign policy...

but I am wasting my time explaining because the white man is never ever to blame...the white man drops all the bombs, controls all the money, has all the power ect but the white man is never ever to blame...only the poor dessert goat herders are to blame :1orglaugh they do not drop the bombs, they control nothing, nobody asks them shit but they are to blame always :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

Well if that's the case, it would seem that letting them into Europe isn't exactly in the EU's best interests.

Also, European countries like Sweden and Austria never even had overseas colonies and yet the beard necks hate them every bit as much as they hate the Brits and the French. Why is that?

I agree. If you rob somebody like the west robbed the middle east of its future, it is in your best interest to not face the consequences.

I actually spent 2 years in Austria. The EU is xenophobic. If you are anything but a certain type of EU you are pretty much a 2nd class citizen. Even getting an education is a problem, I was asked to sign a paper in an Austrian public school that I would not attend next year. I am not colored or muslim, I come from a banking family and I am highly educated and gave them no reason for this. It was my first day in school there they did not know SHIT about me.

The muslims do not hate you because of colonialism, they hate you because you hate them first, and treat them like 2nd class human beings. The EU does not like immigrants. I spent 13 years in 5 different countries, and have traveled most the world. The west does not like immigrants, the end.

The white man is never ever to blame in the eyes of the white man. He has all the power, drops all the bombs, controls all the money, but is never ever to blame :thumbsup

We have slowed down, they're speeding up. It has been 100s of years since we killed people based on how they worshipped Christianity. Still we are guilty of murdering millions, when we allow a mad man to get control. That's how easy it is to stimulate hatred. Ask ISIS.

If the white man is to blame. Why are black and brown men so intent on killing each other and not us?

We are to blame for removing the despots who control these countries, for helping the Jihadists remove the Russians. Their world would be safer with Russian's ruling in Afghanistan, Assad in Syria, Gadhafi in Libya, and Saddam in Iraq. Look how peaceful Iran, Saudi, etc. are with a government dominated by Islam and leaders who kill anyone who steps out of line.

And yes we have progressed a lot further than many, can you explain why the White man is so advanced? Considering the brown and black men had a head start?

I can. Nothing to do with colour.

Are you Austrian or were you paying for your education?

So why do Muslims hate Muslims?

The EU loves migrants. If they can live off their own money and contribute.

The white man is to blame for brown men killing brown men? How did you reach that conclusion?

If you can not see the negative effects that centuries of exploitation has on developing a stable and prosperous society then you are either playing dumb or you simply do not understand what colonialism is.

Set back a society 100 years and they will behave accordingly. :2 cents:

There is no way that the white man will not pay. Closed boarders or not, the best the white man can do now is kick the can down the road.

Countries are obliged to provide schooling for ALL legal foreigners like me, with valid visas. They did not know SHIT about me, they asked me to sign myself out of the school for next term on day 1. It is pure and systematic racism, they wanted to get rid of me on day 1 without ANY reason.

When my father found out he enrolled me to an american private school in vienna, they took me with open arms, but american high school is so dumbed down I was afraid for my education and enrolled myself in a christian private school in german, so that I would keep my brain alive :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

A real muslim does not hate anybody. Islam has nothing to do with hate.

Yes you have snippets and quotes you found somewhere on the net. I doubt you have ever talked to an imam or been anywhere normal where you had normal contact with normal muslims. Next to budhhists they are the kindest people you will meet.

Islam has as much to do with hate as cathoilcism has to do with child sex abuse. You will find lots and lots of examples of catholic priests fucking little boys. One could easily put the argument forward that catholicism is all about gay butt fucking young boys, but you and I both know this is bullshit based on our experience with the religion at hand.

The same stands true for islam, only you do not know because you have no experience with it. You know probably some immigrants in the UK who got xenophobed and reduced to 2nd grade citizens, like EU people like to do, but it is painfully obvious you have never spent time in islamic countries like I have.