so after all this muslim and other immigrant bashing lets appreciate and enjoy how intelligent or dumb westerns are to spend their tax $$$ on so called refugees like the following
Rioting migrants yesterday- Calais to Dover port - YouTube
Illegal immigrants hijacking trucks to cross Italy and France border to UK - compilation - YouTube

Lets keep talking about them
BRAVO

So far, the only responses in this thread that make some sense include
1. Western countries need immigration due to declining population.
2. Guilt, brainwashing and a tendency to indirectly accept responsibility for destabilizing other countries.
3. Need cheap labour.
1 and 3 are somewhat fine but why not get labour through proper channels rather than let anyone into your house who has no verification papers with him?
So before I put forward my theory as to why western civilization is so dumb when it comes to refugees, anyone else wants to enlighten me - Why westerners let in fraudsters/criminals/murderers but create all kind of impossible hassles for well educated westernized immigrant applicants?

4. want to save hella' on tanning beds :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Why is the OP so dumb as to stereotype all westerners as dumb when it comes to refugees?

Yea, we got dumb people here, but there are dumb people everywhere. Stop being so god damned divisive and learn to look at things from a different prospective other than the same one you are complaining about.

The Ottoman Empire was broken up after the First World War 1918. Islam was built on the same basis as Empire building at the tip of a sword. That's what Jihad is.

So your parents should have pointed this out to the authorities and even got a lawyer. How old were you?



I can point to more phrases in the Quran to prove you wrong. so let's assume it's not about real Islam. That puts it squarely on the shoulders of the people.

So why are people from the ME killing each other, and have been doing so since the death of Mohammed? Saladin and his army were killing Muslims before they fought the Crusaders.

You do nothing but deny the facts. The problem is the facts are there proving you wrong. Your story about being denied schooling in Austria simply doesn't ring true. Schools are a mix of many races. In Austria as well as here in Czech.

1. Is a lie. As we move to a more automated world we need fewer people.

2. Has some validity.
And here we can see the message piped into us from the media. There was a headline saying that the same crime is more likely to get a person of colour a prison sentence than a white person. Then giving blanket stats. Second was an article claiming Oxford and Cambridge have too few black students. Nothing was done to validate why these are the facts. Such as Coloured people are more likely to commit a sex crime. This can be easily proved by looking at rape stats by country/race.

The poor commit more crime likely to involve violence, Afro-Caribbean children do badly at school, other ethnic minorities do far better than Whites.

We are culture blind and only see people as colours. Crucifissio is an excellent example of this.

3. Cheap labour is good for the 1%. Big employers and landlords are making huge profits from the overcrowding. Countries like Poland are very adamant the UK has to pay benefits to Polish citizens in the UK. They know that should it be removed, Poland will see 100,000s returning to Poland. Because the taxpayer is subsidising the cheap labour and rents and without that subsidy they will have to return. This shows how biassed the ruling class are to keep the status quo.

Everybody has been killing everybody since the beginning of time...your argument is invalid based on your selective historical evidence that COMPLETELY forgets that the white man did exactly the same...

looking at modern history the violence is with the white man again...WW2 and later all the conflicts have been started by the white man


you posted random snippets, and quoted selective history...

you can chose to call my experience with the austrian schooling system a lie, but it does not mean it did not happen...I claim the EU is xenophobic based on my experience in the EU, not all people are bad, most are good, but the xeno is there...

Very simple
 

[QUOTE=crucifissio;20715896]Everybody has been killing everybody since the beginning of time...your argument is invalid based on your selective historical evidence that COMPLETELY forgets that the white man did exactly the same...

looking at modern history the violence is with the white man again...WW2 and later all the conflicts have been started by the white man.

You're wrong, I male no claim that it's only white people. We are better at it and have been for centuries, that's a fact.

You're wrong about all the conflicts started by White Men. Unless you're saying coloured men are incapable of talking thinks through.

Why Did Prophet Muhammad Go To War?

And there's the loophole for Muslims to kill each other. Even an Islamic blog proves you wrong. Muslims can kill each other if under threat. Muslims worshipping the wrong way are a threat, Muslims who are not sticking 100% to another Muslim's interpretation of Islam, are a threat.

According To The Qur?an, When Are Muslims Required to Fight, And Against Whom?

More.

List of expeditions of Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of Muslim military leaders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet | History Net: Where History Comes Alive ? World & US History Online | From the World's Largest History Magazine Publisher

Yes, I post snippets, over and over and over again. you post nothing but opinion.

I can tell you how the law works here in Czech and in the UK. Unless you can point me to an Austrian law that says the teachers were right to exclude you. Yes, I doubt your claim.

As for the EU being xenophobic. You couldn't be further from the truth. Europeans have no problem with doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc. From different races who have a culture that fits in with ours. We object to having another person's culture that we take offence to thrust upon us. We don't want a culture that regards women as second-class to men, children as possessions, think women should be covered up. Or worse. Have a culture of honor killing and not as open and moderate as we are.

We see inter-marrying and inter-relationships in most races now in the EU. Except with Muslims, they are opposed to this to the point of killing their children for being too Westernised. That's unacceptable whatever their race or colour. With Muslims, it's part of their culture. Even withing Islam it's a problem.

Can you see their problem yet. Or is their hatred towards other Muslims, the fault of the US?

@paul

there are snippets in the quran that forbid any violence or murder but you do not quote them, because it is detrimental to your selected snippets...

I can find plenty of snippets about catholic priests butt fucking young boys...

go to a mosque and ask if they hate you...shit if they say they hate you then you are right, if not then I am right...very simple...

you can doubt my austria experience all you want...they plain gave me a document in german to sign without me even knowing what it was, day one...it does not suck for you the way it did for me...the kids in school were nice to me, but the school management is systematic in its racism...

I did not get any clear response as to why we should open our doors to unverifiable, uneducated, un-grateful fraudsters and at the same time close the door to educated, well groomed immigrants who will assimilate and be an asset in future - So to end the thread I will put forward why I think westerners are so dumb.
1. The first reason I believe it is so is that this is fucking curse on westerners. every strong creature has an Achilles heel. This I think is a weakness embedded at molecular level in western civilization.
I wont go as far to say that it will one day be the nemesis of western civilization but this inability to differentiate friends and foes will cost very heavily for sure.
any thoughts before I post 2nd and more important reason?

stop blaming others. the only one ultimately responsible for your life and happiness is the person you see in the mirror every morning.

a person who truly owns their actions can be happy and prosper even in the midst of hell.

Then post them.

The Bible doesn't approve those acts.

Depends on the mosque. I can go to a lot of websites or turn on the news to prove those people hate me.

Quote the laws. If your parents didn't challenge the rules, that's their fault.

AUSTRIA: Persistent violations of children's rights | CRIN

http://www.oecd.org/austria/44192225.pdf

To help you out as you come across as someone who expects others to help you.

paul if you refuse to ask an authority then this conversation is futile...there has got to be a mosque in your country where you live, go ask them kindly to explain if islam hates other religions...

you can not say "I can go to a lot of websites bla bla"...I can go to a lot of websites that say lizard people rule the world...miley cyrus is lizar overlord!...

I am not denying there is a "hate" version of the quran...a modified quran...the origin of this book:

king Fahd Glorious Quran Printing Complex

its USA-s best boy king fahd of saudi arabia...I have the link to the documentary somewhere its highly interesting I will try to dig it up...the original quran and this "hate" quran are very different...the #1 source for the hate quran is saudi arabia...it is not the quran that is in circulation in regular mosques...

time 4 more introspection

Normal to other Muslims. Not normal to other Westerners. This isn't restricted to Muslims.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/wjc-org-web...arprotest2.jpg

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/14651...ral-london.jpg

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/...-master675.jpg

These people are not "normal" in New York, London or Paris. They're accepted to a greater degree than they accept us. They cling to outdated myths, cultures, and practices that are sometimes illegal in their new home and often unacceptable to us. From slaughtering animals to FGM. Women are second class, some see rape as their right under their religion or culture, forced marriages are common, children who try to integrate risk being ostracized or killed.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/...86_634x420.jpg

http://www.indexoncensorship.org/wp-...06_600x400.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/...27_634x393.jpg

May are determined to stay as they are and indoctrinate their children to perpetuate their separation from normal society. As seen in the Orthodox Jewish Communities. Unlike the Italiens, Irish, Germans, Afro-Carribean, and other nationalities.

Will that become "Westernised" in a generation or two, or will a large percentile shrink inwards to their cultures?

200 million women and girls live with female genital mutilation, says U.N.

The Old Testament is from the time of the Hebrews, Jews, so nothing to do with Modern Western Society. Except for those who live in the Bible Belt. :1orglaugh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaTLWeOWwAISKP9.jpg
new brend! :1orglaugh

OK, not Islam's fault. Just the fault of the people saying they follow Islam. So it depends on asking the right person to get the right answer.







Yes, the Saudis are as guilty as the rest. They know the way to survive. Kill anyone who threatens you, before they kill you.

As for the original Quran, then why isn't the area at peace?

You're arguing along the same lines in the video Cherry put up. Taking verses from one book and using them as excuses for killing. Which was precisely what we did in the Middle Ages.

Why not find the original peace loving Quran and post a link to it. All I can find are these kinds of quotes.

http://www.hippoquotes.com/img/hate-...ran-verses.jpg

http://freethoughtnation.com/wp-cont...9023079456.jpg

http://www.aggieconservatives.org/files/women_islam.jpg

So let's not blame the Quran, just the people holding the book. Like those holding a bible as heretics burnt to death, IN THE 16TH CENTURY. A time we have left and many Muslims prefer to stay in. Even when living in the West.

You are free to provide quotes from your version of the Quran.

Cologne Carnival: 22 reports of sex assaults despite heavy police presence | Europe | News | The Independent

Cologne attacks: first arrest over New Year's Eve sex assaults | World news | The Guardian

Report about Asian grooming gangs was supressed to avoid inflaming racial tension - Telegraph

West Midlands Police withheld report revealing how Muslim gangs groomed girls | Daily Mail Online

West Midlands Police held back report into Muslim grooming gangs over racial tension fears | UK | News | Daily Express

Seems Islam is unable to stop them.

dead souls will never understand why people have a spiritual impulse and thus will never understand the "problem" of religion.

@paul

you are a good little consumer of media bullshit...if they serve it, you will eat it up like a hungry refugee :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you find links on the net where catholics are all about butt fucking young boys:
Catholic Church sexual abuse cases - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
By The Numbers: The Catholic Church's Sex Abuse Scandals
The Vatican's child abuse response - BBC News
What's the State of the Church's Child Abuse Crisis? | FRONTLINE

and pull out some quotes:

"The UN has accused the Vatican of "systematically" adopting policies allowing priests to sexually abuse thousands of children." <-----I did not make this up LOL


and some pics:

http://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/ima...8269580_20.jpghttp://cdn1.pri.org/sites/default/fi...ild%20hair.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...346c213ba7.jpg
http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fro...il-Chart-b.png



and there you have irrefutable "proof" that all catholics are pedos and gay but fuckers...this is basically what you sound like to me...you are a victim of the media plain and simple...the media makes a killing from cherry picking data and feeding you what makes them the most money and in this case it is fear...fear sells...hate sells...the truth does not...

Because so far both sides of Government were allowing the migration. The EU made it possible for dirt poor Bulgarian/Romanian/Czech gypsies to move to countries like the UK where they could enjoy a much better benefits system. With no consideration for the natives of the countries receiving the migrants.

Now the tide's starting to turn and we have parties very opposed to this.

@crucifissio

I assume you accept my argument about Islam and now want to move onto the Roman Catholic Church. With that one, you'll get no argument from me.

You missed the trap I set you with the stats on FGM. Some are done by Christians. It's not the religion, it's the savages that preach it.

You could have pointed out the atrocities perpetrated by Christians on South Americans, French, Poland, etc. People who preached the religion and a man who most certainly did not condone any killing. Unlike the Quran.

This happened in december but it was kept out of the media until now:

Sexually Starved Iraqi Refugee Rapes 10-Year-Old Austrian Boy, Says It Was A State Of “Sexual Emergency”

Austria: Police Hid Rapefugee Attack on Child - The New Observer
Iraqi refugee raped 10yo boy in Austria, says it was ?sexual emergency? ? RT News
Iraqi migrant admits raping boy in Austrian pool after having 'too much sexual energy' - Telegraph
Sexually Starved Iraqi Refugee Rapes 10-Year-Old Austrian Boy, Says It Was A State Of ?Sexual Emergency?

Also I see the news it is NOT spreading across europe media at all, but only in russia, canada, usa etc.

The mainstream media in poland is like 90% owned by German companies (axel springer, etc). Practically none of the migrant rapes etc are in our news either.

Interesting story - a german friend of mine was at a police station in Munich because he had to give a statement about something. He asked the cop what's the story with the migrants - the cop said 'the official version is that the population of the city has increased, and crime has increased proportionately with that population increase. The unofficial version is that not a week goes by without lots of problems and mass brawls at the refugee centers"

Because Paul said so. end of thread

One hunnit fiddy people who are so dumb about refugees

can't see the forest for the trees

:1orglaugh

The problem with your violent quran theory is that no western government would accept such a religion if there was any truth in islam preaching any hate whatsoever...there are mosques in every civilized country in the world...there are 350-400 mosques in israel...I win :2 cents::thumbsup

paul, relax...islam is not out to get you...the snippets you posted are cherry picked data clusters...islamophobia sells...its a best seller...sensationalist bullshit generates clicks and audience :2 cents:

the media is selling you stories <---- this is what the media does...truth = less $, FEAR = more $$$

the media does not report the truth it sells "news"<-----the source of your false ideas

Murdered by African She Sheltered

An American liberal living in Vienna was raped and murdered by the African invader she had deliberately hidden in her apartment to prevent him being deported back to Gambia, the Kronen Zeitung newspaper has revealed.
Murdered by African She Sheltered - The New Observer

Illegal to ban a religion, we can only lock up those who incite violence. It's often impossible to deport foreigners after a prison sentence for inciting violence. Here I see your limited knowledge is hurting your argument.

And you post nothing but denials.

I quoted the Quran.

Go and search for the facts that back up your argument. It will help you understand more.

The dislike for refugees isn't not about race or even religion. It's about the mass migration of different cultures, skills levels and the effect it has on native communities.

Since the EU opened the borders and the Eastern European States joined, the economically successful West has seen a mass migration of unemployed, low skilled and paid people from within Europe. Making decent jobs harder to get and low paid jobs, lower in pay.

So when Merkel announces Germany is open to migrants who will risk death on the open seas, walk through peaceful countries to get to anywhere they please. It's the straw that broke the camel's back for many. Added to this, their different culture and as my pictures prove their demands and way of life.

At a time when the lower classes are struggling, they will look for the reasons. Mass migration is one of them. Add the element of a culture that refuses to integrate and live by our ethics. The future is a swing to the right.

Islam has been around way longer than any laws on religion, if it preached hate there would not be 350-400 mosques in israel alone...if islam preached hate it would not have spread so much...it would be banned in many places, laws or no laws...but it is not...because your argument is fundamentally flawed

You refuse to ask an authority...this leads me to believe your phobia is precious to you...you simply need to believe...I quoted that all catholics are gay butt fuckers...does not mean its true...

For some reason the thread topic keeps going off the rails.
No one gives a fuck to Islam or hate or whatever.
This refugee sham has been going on in the west for over 3 decades now. Look closely at the communities that have been allowed to come in.
In UK and Canada whole villages have managed to setup colonies. IN UK people from same geographic region have arrived enmasse. Obviously one bastard gets in and then calls everyone from "back home".
Fraudsters/criminals/murderers and people who hate western way of life.
Please just tell me why westerners love these people, welcome them at the airport with money, housing, medical care while closing the door tightly shut for well educated immigrants?
Anyone???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????

Israel is a country full of Muslims. Many feel persecuted.

Study EU laws about Freedom of Speech. You refuse to look outside your small box.

Should ask people in a Mosque if those quotes come from the Quran or if they want to kill me for not believing?

I never said all Muslims want to kill. Just that the religion has a long history of killing people who don't believe in their version of Islam and Empire Building using violent methods.

You blame the Americans. Then if they were to blame, the ME would have been peaceful before the Americans intervened. Some Muslims in the ME wouldn't shoot first and talk only if dragged to the table, the ME would be democratised. And suicide bombers wouldn't believe they had 72 virgin girls waiting for them in heaven.

It's the combination of ignorance and powerful priests and rulers ruining their own country to grab a little bit of money and power. The US can't force people to fight except in self-defense against US troops. Your opinion relies on these people being easily manipulated, like mine. We differ on who does the manipulating.

Or do you deny they are being manipulated?