They keep down labour costs and raise property prices, while looking like the good guys.

"freedom of speech" and "freedom of religion" do not encompass spreading hate or breaking the law...again your argument is flawed because religion or not, spreading of hate and violence is illegal...you are NOT free to form a religion "lets kill the blonde guys" and claim it is a religion...as for freedom of speech look no further than snowden and assange...

if islam was spreading violence or hate, it would break the law...but it does not, so there are 350-400 mosques in apartheid israel...

the fact that spreading of hate and violence is a crime in every developed country in the world is detrimental to your argument that islam spreads hate...


ask them anything you wish...its like going to a priest and asking about "jesus"...ask an authority...


like peaceful peaceful europe during WW1 and 2? oh wait you are forgetting that every region in the world had wars at almost any time in its history an you are assuming that only the ME is to be singled out and this cherry picked data cluster somehow dismisses this:

http://www.juancole.com/images/2012/...ntions_map.png

you said the US cant force people to fight...I give you the map above as my answer...the USA invests 500 billion $ every year in war...it has nothing to do with "defense" its war, plain and simple...US foreign policy is the cancer of the world...

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but why stop well educated westernized individuals?

If you compare other countries outside Europe you can see that it isn't easy for western immigrants to get a work permit for other countries also. Sometimes it is easier when you get married. But name some countries where people can live and easy get a work permit... In some countries you must bring at least 100.000 USD and show your financials every 4 years to look if you employ people. Else you can go (if you don't marry or have a child). And so it goes in many countries, if you don't bring money, you are not welcome.

As Dutchman living abroad i also see the problem. If i would marry, i need to do a lot of things to get my wife to Holland... Most go first to Belgium or Italy, where the laws are less strict and than to Holland with a European passport. And that is all because they don't want to discriminate. Holland made stricter rules to prevent families getting relatives to Holland. And they can not make seperate rules for Turkish, Maroccan and Dutch people, that is discrimination. Because some returned to their country (and keeping their wellfare, childsupport) the Dutch government made new rules and said you get only 50 to 70-% of your pensions. 50% if you are single, 70% if you have a partner. (enought to have a good live in Turkey, most of those woman never worked anyway). But because there is no treaty with a lot of other countries like Brazil, mexico and so on, they only give 50% cause they can't check if you have a partner. In short, cause the Turkish and Marrocan people took advantage of the wellfare system, the originally dutch people get fucked by their government. It is even so that i can't have two passports. If i forget to renew or take a foreign passport, i loose mine. That is caue the Dutch government didn't want double nationalities. That was to prevent the immigrant to not integrate and have their heart where they came from. BUT, Turkish and Marrocan people can't give up their passport, forbidden by the country of origin. So who get fucked again, the orginal Dutch people that live abroad. All because else it is discrimination (but the only reasons for the rules was to prevent the Turkish and Marrocan people to come in and get their family to Holland).

So that is one reason why other people from western countries can't get in easily. They made strict rules to prevent more immigration of people with no future, but can not discriminate between people from countries that you want, or don't want.

But there are ways. Like a lot o people from South America have roots in Italy and can get a passport for Italy :) So than they have two passports and can go where they want in Europe. (yes, they also can have 2 passports). If i give up mine, i don't even get pension. Not that it is much, but it is ridicilous. There are now Dutch people living abroad that lost their Dutch passport, not knowing that they even could loose it.

Even for Backpackers Europe is bad. You can only stay for 3 months in Europe. That is not enough if you want to backpack around Europe. I think they should make that 6 months.

Only Panama and Belize are countries you can immigrate to easily and work. For most European countries you must have a special skill to get a work permit.

So as you can read, it is al connected. Discrimination, discrimination, discrimination. The government don't want more people from Arab countries. That also has a reason.. But refugees are a different problem. But the mass immigration that didn't work out resulted in more strict rules for immigration, even if you are a well educated person. But there are always tricks to get your foreign partner in Holland, you must be creative. And as online worker it would be easy for me to stay some months in Belgium, Italay, or Spain when needed. But i don';t think i will live in Holland soon.

Merkel has lost another election. She's on borrowed time. Austria will go to the Right along with France. The UK voted itself out of the EU because of migration.

Europe is turning to the Right because the Left and Middle has abandoned their own people.

I think the Trump kid won with the Skittles comment...don't blame the webmasters

Unfortunately this is true.
However my question is - When it is well known that these fraudsters taking intercontinental flights are fraudsters why westerners keep this charade going on?

EU 'should prepare for returning jihadists'
Mosul battle: EU 'should prepare for returning jihadists' - BBC News

I would prefer to live next to a Westerner. As would most people. This mass uncontrolled migration is being forced on us.

They do, so why allow them to come to a country that doesn't believe in their stupid religion?

The guys that wrote religions weren't on drugs. They were political leaders who wanted better control over the people than physical force.

Europe's population needs to fall dramatically. In the future, more jobs will be automated. So why do we need more people?

Swedish kids will have to be a dustman, until a machine does his job. And that will only need jobs like nursing and care.



This is the 21st Century. Add exportation of jobs and no country will need its present population.

Because until now both sides were pro-migration, even though when electioneering they promise to reduce migration. Now the Far Right are gaining strength because of the lack of control the others impose on migration.

Merkel, the biggest culprit, is being ripped a new ass over her decision to force Germans to accept a million and rising number of illegal migrants. France will swing Right, UK will swing towards UKIP, Hungary voted overwhelmingly to not take Merkel's migrants, Czech is the same. Italy is being ruined by mass migration.

Those that come have to be put into camps and kept there. Once the money stops flowing back to migrants home countries, the flow will stem.

westerners be like:

we will eat american foreign policy asshole DEEP when it destroys the economies of the countries that the refugees are coming from, we just do not want to taste the shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

we do not want to employ expensive western workers or buy expensive western shit OR even live in expensive western countries BUT we do not want any god damned immigrants doing cheap jobs :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh


westerners want to eat cake and not only not get fat, but get slim :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Let me remind everyone that this thread is NOT about migration but about refugees a.k.a fraudsters.
I understand the need for immigration and movement of people.
I understand that migration for greener pastures is human spirit, it can not be stopped.
I understand falling populations/ need for skilled/unskilled labor.
What I don't understand is why western nations are so fucking dumb when it comes to this refugee shit? Why they can't understand that fraudsters and criminals who are taking planes and ships to cross continents from poor to rich nations are NOT refugees.

not all of us are naive

1) Leaders in europe are useless dogs only working for globalists and liberal agenda.
2) Majority of media power in europe hold hands with the establishment to spread and keep globalistic / liberal agenda.
3) If anyone says anything negative about the said subject they are labelled racist or xenophobe.

So why are westerners so dumb? Europe is corrupt, people are brainwashed, men are emasculated, anyone with some balls to criticize gets harassed to the point of breakdown. There is very little organization to try and stop what is going on other than voting for a rightwing party or going into politics yourself.

Stop blaming Western Nations. The people are mostly opposed to this. The problem is the politicians on both sides. Resulting in a rise of fringe parties who the media keeps branding as extremist, racist, xenophobes.

There is certainly some truth in leaders and media being deliberately blind and even highlighting selective coverage. But what does that mean? The average joe schmoe in western countries is totally brainwashed? The democracy is weak? And that too in this age of (mis)information?

vote AGAINST letting any people in
 

WHAT? You assume we have any control over this?
We systematically vote AGAINST letting any people in and are just ignored.