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2MuchMark 01-20-2016 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 20705488)
Saying he doesn't stand a chance when he is leading is stupid. Of course he stands a chance he is leading. The word chance... he has one. That might be all

Trump is loved by lots of people for sure, but hated by many more. Even people in his own party hate him.

All Trump ever says, and as Palin echoed yesterday, are nothing more than emotional sound bites. They are words and phrases that stir people up but are empty and error-filled.

Regardless of whether Clinton or Sanders wins the democratic election, they will easily wipe the floor with Trump, and the next president of the US will be a democrat (Yay!).

If Cruz wins the republican nomiation though, the race to the whitehouse will be much closer. Like Trump, Cruz is hated by many in his own party, and I hate him too, but I think deep down he's smart, and any debates between him and Sanders or him and Clinton will be nail-biting.

Black All Through 01-20-2016 11:10 AM

If he ever makes it Clinton is going to chew him up!

xKingx 01-21-2016 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20705306)
oh, that's relatively easy:

Whenever I try to have a reasonable debate, I am getting yelled at by a mob of 20-30 angry idiots - and the tone of your post indicates that you are not interested in a reasonable debate either. Besides obviously being a fake nick of somebody.

Also the threads on here are usually full of misinformation and tendentious right from the start and why would I waste my time arguing with people that are not willing to stay civil and are not significant to my business anyways?

Just for the record - since that has been my position from the beginning which can also be looked up on here:

- stop bombing peoples homes and they don't have to flee

- give money to the countries surrounding Syria so they can take of the refugees: UNHCR - Funding shortage leaves Syrian refugees in danger of missing vital support (read this carefully and you understand why people come to Europe)

- send people back to don't flee from war (by now there are almost no asylum seekers from Balkan anymore cause they realized they have no chance anyways)

- do the same with Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians (which btw are the biggest problem, not Syrian war refugees)

- and whenever somebody breaks the law of the countries that give him shelter: send them back as well

But on a couple things I will never change my mind - no matter how much you, the other idiots or people like Trump scream:

- when somebody legitimately flees from a war, they should be given shelter (what's the alternative? Shooting them?)

- not every person of muslim belief is automatically a terrorist, I know plenty cool people that are muslims and are not any different than you and me (ok, maybe just me)

And last but not least: Since I started concentrating more on my biz and engage less with the idiots on here, my revenue has gone up about 25% - win/win

:thumbsup


Sorry not a fake nick baby, been here sense 2003 just don't post much

nico-t 01-21-2016 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Black All Through (Post 20705604)
If he ever makes it Clinton is going to chew him up!

she has the corrupt game and propaganda know how to do that, yes. Because she is furniture in the diseased washington world. If she wins good luck with another puppet and a continuation of the same agenda of the last couple of decades. Might as well vote on the dog turd outside.

nico-t 01-21-2016 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20705306)
oh, that's relatively easy:

- when somebody legitimately flees from a war, they should be given shelter (what's the alternative? Shooting them?)

:thumbsup

fair points. But the above one is kind of weird by keeping in mind that they pass through something like eight countries where there is no war before arriving here. That is pretty strange when you just want to be in a peaceful society without war.

Why go so far when Turkey is perfectly fine? It even embraces their culture, now with islamic dictator Erdogan at the wheel. Can you think of any other reason than money and social benefits?

crockett 01-21-2016 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20705104)
I would imagine Palin's endorsement could only help him. While I dislike her, she does have a way of speaking that gets her base all excited.

What they are doing now is pure marketing. She called him the "commander in chief" multiple times as if he has some practical experience or served in the military. "Our military loves me". He has never served in the military, never done anything for the military, and didn't care about Vets until the day he stared running.

She also said multiple times that he was a great businessman. Trump is very much like Romney was; He borrowed money from other people, built stuff or bought stuff, and then ran it into the ground. The casino business is booming, yet Trump's casino went into bankruptcy. It was the same thing with the hotel - He bought the Plaza Hotel in NYC for $400 million, ran it at a huge loss for the entire time he owned it, and then sold it for $325 million deal. He lost hundreds of millions of dollars in this deal, putting him bankruptcy again. Of course, there is Trump Shuttle too.

Yeah... she talks like a kindergarten teacher, it's why her base can understand her. She doesn't use big words. Combine that with Trump repeating everything 3 times it's no wonder the dumbest of the dumb are attracted to these two like flies on shit.

nico-t 01-21-2016 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20706985)
Yeah... she talks like a kindergarten teacher, it's why her base can understand her. She doesn't use big words. Combine that with Trump repeating everything 3 times it's no wonder the dumbest of the dumb are attracted to these two like flies on shit.

Palin is a complete retard, yes. But if Trump is so dumb why is he so succesful in business?

And i like trump, am i dumb as well? Fyi i did an IQ test a couple of weeks ago. It was 137.

Rochard 01-21-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20705285)
It's only going to help him get through the primary.

What's amazing to me is Republicans seem to think a Palin endorsement is a good thing.

I take that back. That's not amazing. That's stunning.

LovinNothin 01-21-2016 05:40 PM

Berny will overtake Hillary and the final 2 will be:

Berny vs. Trump

Trump will win by 54% to 59%.


Finally we will have a real business man in office that will run this country like the business it is.

I'm not a Republican, and I hate all politicians. Trump reminds me of Ross Perot, but Trump has more anger and style.

I think Trump is a real leader, not just a hot air balloon like so many politicians are.

Fuck bank owned politicians. Time for a change.

MaDalton 01-21-2016 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 20706984)
fair points. But the above one is kind of weird by keeping in mind that they pass through something like eight countries where there is no war before arriving here. That is pretty strange when you just want to be in a peaceful society without war.

Why go so far when Turkey is perfectly fine? It even embraces their culture, now with islamic dictator Erdogan at the wheel. Can you think of any other reason than money and social benefits?

please read the article I posted from UNHCR and you will understand (hopefully)

and if I was them: once I left Turkey I'd also try to reach Germany and not stay in Slovenia (no disrespect to Slovenia)

Rochard 01-21-2016 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LovinNothin (Post 20707091)
Berny will overtake Hillary and the final 2 will be:

Berny vs. Trump

Trump will win by 54% to 59%.


Finally we will have a real business man in office that will run this country like the business it is.

I'm not a Republican, and I hate all politicians. Trump reminds me of Ross Perot, but Trump has more anger and style.

I think Trump is a real leader, not just a hot air balloon like so many politicians are.

Fuck bank owned politicians. Time for a change.

Sure sure.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Sanders

Joshua G 01-21-2016 07:01 PM

trump will win the election, because he has displayed the biggest balls of the race. calling for a ban on muslims. Nobody can top that. of course this man will be president!

hilary too has big balls. running for president while the FBI has 2 investigations ongoing, & having the balls to tell the people i did nothing wrong, support me. audacious, but not in trumps class.

:2 cents:

mce 01-21-2016 07:04 PM

The funniest thing about TRUMP HATERS is they only need to read the Art of the Deal to see they are being played.

Trump laid out his media strategy in that book and other books.

He never deviated from the script.

The reason the media loves to put up this fake outrage is that it gets ratings.

He's at best a nationalist liberal.

I wouldn't be surprised if more than 20% of the Dem base votes for him.

Robbie 01-21-2016 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mce (Post 20707153)
I wouldn't be surprised if more than 20% of the Dem base votes for him.

Just don't let those facts stop crockett, **********, or bronco67's idea that only "right wing nutters", "rednecks", and stupid people will vote Trump:

"About 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they would buck the party and vote for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in a general election, according to a new poll.

The willingness of some Democrats to change sides could be a major problem for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton this fall.

The new figures were released by Mercury Analytics, a research company with clients that include MSNBC and Fox News, as the result of an online poll and dial-test of Trumpâ??s first campaign ad. "

crockett 01-21-2016 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20707178)
Just don't let those facts stop crockett, **********, or bronco67's idea that only "right wing nutters", "rednecks", and stupid people will vote Trump:

"About 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they would buck the party and vote for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in a general election, according to a new poll.

The willingness of some Democrats to change sides could be a major problem for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton this fall.

The new figures were released by Mercury Analytics, a research company with clients that include MSNBC and Fox News, as the result of an online poll and dial-test of Trump’s first campaign ad. "

To show you polls are meaningless.. yet another poll shows 49% of independents and 30% of Republicans would vote for a socialist... Of course, these kinds of facts fall death on your miserable ears..

mikesouth 01-21-2016 08:45 PM

It was a smart move actually for reasons previously noted.

Naming her his running mate would NOT be smart and I dont think the people he has working for him are anywhere near that stupid.

Rochard 01-21-2016 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 20707209)
It was a smart move actually for reasons previously noted.

Naming her his running mate would NOT be smart and I dont think the people he has working for him are anywhere near that stupid.

I would love to see a Trump / Palin ticket..... I would pay money to see that really. It would be pure comedy.

JuicyBunny 01-21-2016 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20705306)
oh, that's relatively easy:

Whenever I try to have a reasonable debate, I am getting yelled at by a mob of 20-30 angry idiots - and the tone of your post indicates that you are not interested in a reasonable debate either. Besides obviously being a fake nick of somebody.

Also the threads on here are usually full of misinformation and tendentious right from the start and why would I waste my time arguing with people that are not willing to stay civil and are not significant to my business anyways?

Just for the record - since that has been my position from the beginning which can also be looked up on here:

- stop bombing peoples homes and they don't have to flee

- give money to the countries surrounding Syria so they can take of the refugees: UNHCR - Funding shortage leaves Syrian refugees in danger of missing vital support (read this carefully and you understand why people come to Europe)

- send people back to don't flee from war (by now there are almost no asylum seekers from Balkan anymore cause they realized they have no chance anyways)

- do the same with Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians (which btw are the biggest problem, not Syrian war refugees)

- and whenever somebody breaks the law of the countries that give him shelter: send them back as well

But on a couple things I will never change my mind - no matter how much you, the other idiots or people like Trump scream:

- when somebody legitimately flees from a war, they should be given shelter (what's the alternative? Shooting them?)

- not every person of muslim belief is automatically a terrorist, I know plenty cool people that are muslims and are not any different than you and me (ok, maybe just me)

And last but not least: Since I started concentrating more on my biz and engage less with the idiots on here, my revenue has gone up about 25% - win/win

:thumbsup

Same here, Stef. The board has been over run with mouth breathers and racists. Time spent out is time well spent. :2 cents:

Horatio Caine 01-21-2016 09:39 PM

He doesn't stand a chance with or with our Palin's endorsement.

bronco67 01-21-2016 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LovinNothin (Post 20707091)

I'm not a Republican, and I hate all politicians.

= I'm a Republican.

bronco67 01-21-2016 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20707178)
Just don't let those facts stop crockett, **********, or bronco67's idea that only "right wing nutters", "rednecks", and stupid people will vote Trump:

"About 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they would buck the party and vote for Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in a general election, according to a new poll.

The willingness of some Democrats to change sides could be a major problem for Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton this fall.

The new figures were released by Mercury Analytics, a research company with clients that include MSNBC and Fox News, as the result of an online poll and dial-test of Trumpâ??s first campaign ad. "

Nate Silver doesn't know what he's talking about probably...but he predicts every election with near perfect precision.

Donald Trump Is Really Unpopular With General Election Voters | FiveThirtyEight

bronco67 01-21-2016 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20707178)
Just don't let those facts stop crockett, **********, or bronco67's idea that only "right wing nutters", "rednecks", and stupid people will vote Trump:

"


haha but at least you're admitting the first block of voters for Trump will be "right wing nutters", "rednecks", and stupid people.

Robbie 01-22-2016 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20707293)
Nate Silver doesn't know what he's talking about probably...but he predicts every election with near perfect precision.

Donald Trump Is Really Unpopular With General Election Voters | FiveThirtyEight

It will be interesting to see. To me, he's another pundit who understands how this has all worked BEFORE.
But nothing is working the "old way" in this election season. People are seriously fed up with business as usual in the govt.

Robbie 01-22-2016 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20707296)
haha but at least you're admitting the first block of voters for Trump will be "right wing nutters", "rednecks", and stupid people.

No, you are not reading what I wrote...I said that YOU and crockett and ********** THINK that is who they are.

You seem to have a proclivity to branding people and thinking that because you personally follow the Democrat Party talking points...that other people are similar to you and have no independent thinking when it comes to politics.

I'm looking forward to the primaries. Is Trump's support real? Is it less than the polls show? Is it more?
Reality is that NOBODY knows...yet. When votes start happening we'll know then.

It's gonna be interesting for sure.

And it will be funny if Trump wins and becomes President...it will be funny because you guys have made such sweeping statements and acted so matter-of-factly about him. And you've been 100% wrong on every count with Trump so far.

That alone was worth it! :1orglaugh

Mutt 01-22-2016 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20707293)
Nate Silver doesn't know what he's talking about probably...but he predicts every election with near perfect precision.

Donald Trump Is Really Unpopular With General Election Voters | FiveThirtyEight

Nate Silver has been predicting Trump's demise since he began his campaign, yet here we are coming up on Iowa and New Hampshire with him leading the polls, which 6 months ago Nate would have laughed at that as a possibility.

I am amazed he's still polling so well myself, I don't think any pundits thought Jeb Bush could fail this badly. Ted Cruz looks to be Trump's only competition and Cruz is hated by many in his own party's establishment including Bob Dole. If Christie can show fairly well I could see him becoming a factor.

Paul Markham 01-22-2016 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20705306)
- stop bombing peoples homes and they don't have to flee

Can you get ISIS to agree on that?

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- give money to the countries surrounding Syria so they can take of the refugees: UNHCR - Funding shortage leaves Syrian refugees in danger of missing vital support (read this carefully and you understand why people come to Europe)
Agreed, very clearly Turkey is getting rid of them. They need to be paid to keep more.

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- send people back to don't flee from war (by now there are almost no asylum seekers from Balkan anymore cause they realized they have no chance anyways)
Balkans and Syria are two different cases.

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- do the same with Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians (which btw are the biggest problem, not Syrian war refugees)

- and whenever somebody breaks the law of the countries that give him shelter: send them back as well
The EU has admitted it's failing to do anything on this. It's the reason economic migrants are free to roam, have no support, are not being looked after and why millions will end up in the EU taking jobs. As migrants choose which country is better economically for them

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- when somebody legitimately flees from a war, they should be given shelter (what's the alternative? Shooting them?)
Once in Turkey they have escaped any war. This is does not explain the African migrants.

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- not every person of muslim belief is automatically a terrorist, I know plenty cool people that are muslims and are not any different than you and me (ok, maybe just me)
Agreed. They are however people who are determined to not fit in, to stay separate, to bring up their children to stay apart. And have a totally different less working class, liberal or Socialist ideals.

This last part has led to migrants forming ghettos, even within migrant communities, cities and towns with a large percentage of migrants. They insist they choose who their children can mix with, worship and even marry. To the point of killing those who disagree. Sell their daughters and arrange marriages to bring in cousins.

They don't drink, eat, dress, socialize, marry, and integrate. This isn't a one generation condition. They teach their children to be apart. And nothing we can do will make them fit in. That's what the liberals don't understand, no matter how much we change to accommodate them, they will still stay separated from us and make sure they do.

Many have views on Jews, or other Muslims and Christians more akin to Hitler than Europeans.

This has nothing to do with race or colour, it's 100% down to culture.

Paul Markham 01-22-2016 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LovinNothin (Post 20707091)
Fuck bank owned politicians. Time for a change.

Yes, a politician who owns a bank.

His problem will be the brick wall he hits when dealing with politicians who are owned by big business. Unless everything is an executive order, he will have to get all his promises through Congress and the Senate.

We saw how that worked with Obama Care. Only a bunch total morons or corrupt businessmen would put into place a system that led to the World's most expensive healthcare system more expensive.

Do you really think he will give the US a healthcare system like we have in Europe, raise taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, sugar-packed foods, allow big businesses like Walmart dodge paying taxes, etc?

lock 01-22-2016 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20705548)
He is smart and intelligent .. so he cannot win as a republican :2 cents:

Smart and intelligent are the same thing. He is wealthy and stupid.

Paul Markham 01-22-2016 02:41 AM

Americans need a true democracy that represents the people first. They will never get that until contributions to all politicians are capped. At present the higher the office the more it costs to win the election. Voting Democrat or Republican makes little difference if the politician has to worry about funding his next campaign. As he funded the last one.

In Europe, we have a similar problem. An ever growing power base that everyone agrees needs changing, even its leaders say it needs to reform. And yet it gets further away from any reform as it adds power. The option is to for voters to wield power and break up this powerful cartel that no longer represent the people who vote for them. A vote by the UK to exit would force them to reform.

A vote for politicians not worried about self-interests is the way to progress. And if you think that can't be done, they have brainwashed you. They need to fear the electorate before anyone else.

adultchatpay 01-22-2016 02:44 AM

He is not a politician. Which is a good case and he might win.

MiamiBoyz 01-22-2016 04:06 AM

He's a rock star baby and I jerk off every night to his poster on my ceiling.

I imagine he yells at me "You're fired Faggot" and then I cum.

Paul Markham 01-22-2016 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by adultchatpay (Post 20707371)
He is not a politician. Which is a good case and he might win.

He's from the small group who own politicians.

SuckOnThis 01-22-2016 06:27 AM


bronco67 01-22-2016 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20707326)
It will be interesting to see. To me, he's another pundit who understands how this has all worked BEFORE.
But nothing is working the "old way" in this election season. People are seriously fed up with business as usual in the govt.

I will give you that...everything is turned upside down this time and pretty fucking weird. But nothing as weird as Donald Trump being president will happen. That would be another fucking planet kind of weird...and a whole other level of scary.

Rochard 01-22-2016 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20707340)
Yes, a politician who owns a bank.

His problem will be the brick wall he hits when dealing with politicians who are owned by big business. Unless everything is an executive order, he will have to get all his promises through Congress and the Senate.

We saw how that worked with Obama Care. Only a bunch total morons or corrupt businessmen would put into place a system that led to the World's most expensive healthcare system more expensive.

Do you really think he will give the US a healthcare system like we have in Europe, raise taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, sugar-packed foods, allow big businesses like Walmart dodge paying taxes, etc?

This is what I was thinking.... People hate the big bankers, but.... Trump is telling us he is the one who "bought" politicians. Clearly, we need that level of corruption in the White House.

Robbie 01-22-2016 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20707635)
I will give you that...everything is turned upside down this time and pretty fucking weird. But nothing as weird as Donald Trump being president will happen. That would be another fucking planet kind of weird...and a whole other level of scary.

What would you be scared of?
I remember I was 18 years old when Reagan took office. And I was a diehard Democrat (all my family were Democrats since I was a kid in the South, and back before Reagan the South was all Democrat territory).
There was no internet. So I got all my news from the CBS Evening news and the editorial section of Rolling Stone magazine.

I was scared! Rolling Stone's writers had me convinced that Reagan was an addled old man (age discrimination is what we call it now...they would never say that about 73 year old Bernie in this day and age). And that he was going to stumble in to the war room in a daze and launch nukes at the Soviets and the world was going to end.

But none of that ever happened.

Same as when Clinton won the White House and all the conservative talk radio hosts declared it was the end of our country as we know it.
It didn't happen.

Keep in mind that the Presidency is only the executive branch of govt.

It is kept in check by the Legislative and Judicial branches.

Also keep in mind that Trump is a very successful guy. He just might fool you with what he could do for the economy.


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