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Den BongaCash 02-10-2016 03:59 AM

Uber rocks. Taxi fares have gone insane.

Jel 02-10-2016 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20725848)
sounds like a free market indeed :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
ever heard about something like GPS ?
I love when a customer can't chose the offer that suits him best....it's just lol
why bother with license for taxis ? the market will decide by very easy way - the people won't get into a taxi company that tries to rip them off or if the driver doesnt know where to go :winkwink::winkwink:
if the taxi will deliver its service , the people will use it - it doesnt matter if its "licensed" or not. what metters for customer is service - getting from point A to B by the fastest/ cheapest way.

I agree, what I'm getting at (again, just here in the UK) is the fact that the gov't stipulate one set of rules for black taxis and minicabs (hackney carriage licence needed by law) and don't put any restrictions on uber. I honestly couldn't give a fuck personally, adapt or die applies everywhere, so why not just go get a gig at uber - but the point is, you can certainly understand why the drivers here are pissed off. Which is the point of the thread, not whether uber is good or not - tubes and torrents are 'good', but when YOU have to adhere to one set of laws, and those sites don't, is that a 'free market'? I know you have more sense than that mate :winkwink:

Also as an aside, seems like we have it pretty good here as far as taxis/minicabs, been using them for years and never had the problems other posters seem to have had in other countries.

klinton 02-10-2016 05:33 AM

tubes and torrents are offering service for FREE, while uber/ illegal taxis are usually just 2-3 times cheaper...so its not the same.
I wouldnt trust any taxi - if they will ride with meter turned on, usually they circle around the city so the customer will pay more. unless you will check them with your GPS in your smartphone or something like that...
it was all bullshit with licenses for taxis from the beginning - in every country taxis are like mafia in transport, I bet that in UK it's the same
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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20725859)
I agree, what I'm getting at (again, just here in the UK) is the fact that the gov't stipulate one set of rules for black taxis and minicabs (hackney carriage licence needed by law) and don't put any restrictions on uber. I honestly couldn't give a fuck personally, adapt or die applies everywhere, so why not just go get a gig at uber - but the point is, you can certainly understand why the drivers here are pissed off. Which is the point of the thread, not whether uber is good or not - tubes and torrents are 'good', but when YOU have to adhere to one set of laws, and those sites don't, is that a 'free market'? I know you have more sense than that mate :winkwink:

Also as an aside, seems like we have it pretty good here as far as taxis/minicabs, been using them for years and never had the problems other posters seem to have had in other countries.


Jel 02-10-2016 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20725908)
tubes and torrents are offering service for FREE, while uber/ illegal taxis are usually just 2-3 times cheaper...so its not the same.
I wouldnt trust any taxi - if they will ride with meter turned on, usually they circle around the city so the customer will pay more. unless you will check them with your GPS in your smartphone or something like that...
it was all bullshit with licenses for taxis from the beginning - in every country taxis are like mafia in transport, I bet that in UK it's the same



lol wtf... can't even begin to respond... you are talking about apples, I am talking about oranges...

edit:

let me try this:
domain: car
hosting: petrol
script: uber app/service
content: gov't costs, crb checks, etc

the last one, some people have to buy by law, others do not

the surfers argument is: porn paysites are greedy, they run a monopoly... they are too dumb to understand the behind the scenes costs... they have zero interest in operational costs by LAW, and brush off concerns of webmasters, shooters, and so on. I see a similar trend here... out of this thread, my brain cells dwindle every time I log in to this board. I'll lol every time someone cries about the dumb arguments of pirates/torrentors though.

SilentKnight 02-10-2016 05:58 AM

Cabbies in Toronto are set to strike this weekend...with tons of events scheduled citywide.

klinton 02-10-2016 07:08 AM

you didnt get my point.
I said that there shouldnt be any licenses for taxis at first place. it should be free market, regulated by customers...
customers would rate services of the taxis that they used and later - if someone would do great job - they would continue to use him. if someone would suck - they wouldnt use him or his company. easy as that.

And I agree with your point that the guys that paid thousands for examines and licenses have right now to feel ripped off.
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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20725921)
lol wtf... can't even begin to respond... you are talking about apples, I am talking about oranges...

edit:

let me try this:
domain: car
hosting: petrol
script: uber app/service
content: gov't costs, crb checks, etc

the last one, some people have to buy by law, others do not

the surfers argument is: porn paysites are greedy, they run a monopoly... they are too dumb to understand the behind the scenes costs... they have zero interest in operational costs by LAW, and brush off concerns of webmasters, shooters, and so on. I see a similar trend here... out of this thread, my brain cells dwindle every time I log in to this board. I'll lol every time someone cries about the dumb arguments of pirates/torrentors though.


MetaMan 02-10-2016 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20725921)
lol wtf... can't even begin to respond... you are talking about apples, I am talking about oranges...

edit:

let me try this:
domain: car
hosting: petrol
script: uber app/service
content: gov't costs, crb checks, etc

the last one, some people have to buy by law, others do not

the surfers argument is: porn paysites are greedy, they run a monopoly... they are too dumb to understand the behind the scenes costs... they have zero interest in operational costs by LAW, and brush off concerns of webmasters, shooters, and so on. I see a similar trend here... out of this thread, my brain cells dwindle every time I log in to this board. I'll lol every time someone cries about the dumb arguments of pirates/torrentors though.

You get angry like a little baby when people dont agree with you. Typical low level IQ of understanding because you "know a guy who drives taxi". Yes all other facts and opinions are off because you know a guy. Ok then.

Jel 02-10-2016 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20725952)
you didnt get my point.
I said that there shouldnt be any licenses for taxis at first place. it should be free market, regulated by customers...
customers would rate services of the taxis that they used and later - if someone would do great job - they would continue to use him. if someone would suck - they wouldnt use him or his company. easy as that.

And I agree with your point that the guys that paid thousands for examines and licenses have right now to feel ripped off.

ah sorry mate please accept my apologies - language barrier and all that :upsidedow

I can kinda see why though licences are needed (again, going on uk only, though this should apply elsewhere I guess) - criminal background checks.. without licences any convicted rapist, murderer, drunk/drugged driver and similar scum who have no self-control are free to pick up vulnerable people whether they be the elderly, or females drunk after a night out (1 of them has to be dropped off last even in a group) - with licences, checks can be made and so on. As usual though, this turned into being just a cash-cow for the gov't, hence the resentment I guess.

Jel 02-10-2016 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20726007)
You get angry like a little baby when people dont agree with you. Typical low level IQ of understanding because you "know a guy who drives taxi". Yes all other facts and opinions are off because you know a guy. Ok then.

lol fuck off clown and stick to being a dumbed-down unfunny louis ck :thumbsup

MetaMan 02-10-2016 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20726010)
ah sorry mate please accept my apologies - language barrier and all that :upsidedow

I can kinda see why though licences are needed (again, going on uk only, though this should apply elsewhere I guess) - criminal background checks.. without licences any convicted rapist, murderer, drunk/drugged driver and similar scum who have no self-control are free to pick up vulnerable people whether they be the elderly, or females drunk after a night out (1 of them has to be dropped off last even in a group) - with licences, checks can be made and so on. As usual though, this turned into being just a cash-cow for the gov't, hence the resentment I guess.

Again you small minded little twit youre spreading bullshit based on false personal expierience. Uber does extensive background checks. You cannot drive with varying convictions. So please shut up.

You wont even admit youre wrong. Youre embarassing.

dyna mo 02-10-2016 09:07 AM

apparently none of y'all have been sucker-punched by Uber's surge pricing.

Jel 02-10-2016 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20726046)
Again you small minded little twit youre spreading bullshit based on false personal expierience. Uber does extensive background checks. You cannot drive with varying convictions. So please shut up.

You wont even admit youre wrong. Youre embarassing.

Now why didn't you just point that out, instead of making shit up about my viewpoint and being the usual dicksplash you are? I've no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and seems I was given wrong info, either accidentally, or maybe it was on purpose the way groups do to further their cause. I had a look and found this article I said Uber was better than London's black cabs. And then it all kicked off... - Telegraph and they have a disclaimer at the bottom after the article was amended, so it seems it's a common misconception. Nevertheless, my bad on taking it at face value. A worthwhile line in that article though is (my bold):

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your key competitive advantage is that you avoid the regulations others are bound by and the taxes they pay.
And THAT is the whole crux of my points.. not whether uber is 'good' or not, of course it fucking is to the end user - but to actually place myself in the other viewpoint, and try to understand *why* black cab drivers and minicab drivers alike here in the UK where we don't have mafia-controlled cab companies and all the rest of it you seem to have where you are, are so up in arms. In fact it's only just dawned on me you are most likely sitting there with the false idea that I'm somehow against uber themselves.

A bit like trying to explain to surfers *why* we in the adult industry are up in arms over piracy, when all they know is: it's legal porn with paid performers and they can go to a multitude of torrent sites/filelockers/illegal tubes and stuff themselves silly with a fantastic delivery method. Until the surfer actually puts himself on the side of production, he has zero idea about the costs involved, the differing legalities, and the constraints a paysite has as opposed to those eg a filelocker has.

So... take off crb checks as misguided hysteria by whomever, and that leaves licencing fees as laid down by the (UK, and from this thread it seems, also AUS) gov't, and set fares for 1 group of people but not for the other. I'm sure those adhering to TFL and their local council regs would love to be able to compete with Uber in a true free market, the fact is though, they are unable to. *That* is why UK cab drivers are pissed off, and I can't blame them at all.

Jel 02-10-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20726119)
...I had a look and found this article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11608878/I-said-Uber-was-better-than-Londons-black-cabs.-And-then-it-all-kicked-off....html

btw the comments on that are worth reading - they give a pretty balanced view from both sides, and should help people understand at least the cabbies' frustrations. Ofc, this is only for the UK, I don't know, and can't nor won't comment on other countries' systems.

MetaMan 02-10-2016 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20726119)
Now why didn't you just point that out, instead of making shit up about my viewpoint and being the usual dicksplash you are? I've no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and seems I was given wrong info

BLAH BLAH BLAH

So you have no problem admitting you're wrong... try to spin why you were wrong... and never actually admit you are wrong? OK THEN!

You are that dense to think Uber would allow peolple with criminal records with rapists, murderers and drunk drivers to drive around in a free for all?

Someone had to give you "wrong info" to believe that? Your IQ and reasoning abilities are that low to not distinguish it for yourself?

The entire thread you're posting non stop how everyone is wrong about cabbies and your argument to back that up is to post COMPLETE LIES about Uber? Great job!

Now admit youre wrong and go hide with your tail between your legs in the corner.

Jel 02-10-2016 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by MetaMan (Post 20726134)
So you have no problem admitting you're wrong... try to spin why you were wrong... and never actually admit you are wrong? OK THEN!

You are that dense to think Uber would allow peolple with criminal records with rapists, murderers and drunk drivers to drive around in a free for all?

Someone had to give you "wrong info" to believe that? Your IQ and reasoning abilities are that low to not distinguish it for yourself?

The entire thread you're posting non stop how everyone is wrong about cabbies and your argument to back that up is to post COMPLETE LIES about Uber? Great job!

Now admit youre wrong and go hide with your tail between your legs in the corner.

lol your need to trollurbate is so great you want me to spell it out even though it was quite clear I was saying that ? And you think I was wrong because I made it up in my head? Fuck me you are a card aren't you.. you must have skipped my "Nevertheless, my bad on taking it at face value."

here you go champ: yup, I was wrong on that for sure. makes it about 3 - 1 to me on points raised so far, but well done.

Care to comment on the fact Uber fares aren't set by UK gov't, nor do they need to pay UK tax?

Nor need to complete 'the knowledge' that black cab operators have to by law?

And can own a 10 year old car as opposed to 2 years old for new black taxi drivers (tested twice a year if older than 8)?

If you truly can't see why drivers would be pissed at that, then there's not much I can say... you have your 'side' and will blindly defend it no matter what :2 cents:

btw if I'm wrong on any of those, feel free to point it out - I hate being in the wrong as much as the next person, and would far sooner know the right than sit here totally mis-educated by UK cab drivers if all they are doing is furthering their own cause with bs.

Jel 02-13-2016 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20726156)
...

Care to comment on the fact Uber fares aren't set by UK gov't, nor do they need to pay UK tax?

Nor need to complete 'the knowledge' [edited to add: 3 - 5 years training] that black cab operators have to by law?

And can own a 10 year old car as opposed to 2 years old for new black taxi drivers (tested twice a year if older than 8 years)?

...

btw if I'm wrong on any of those, feel free to point it out - I hate being in the wrong as much as the next person, and would far sooner know the right than sit here totally mis-educated by UK cab drivers if all they are doing is furthering their own cause with bs.

Any news on this? I see a bunch of my mates posting that picture I put on here earlier in the thread, I'd hate for them to be spreading bullshit info, and lying about uber... I haven't been able to find anything to refute those but I'm pretty crap at finding stuff out as evidenced by my being wrong about the crb checks - appreciate any help anyone can give :thumbsup

SpicyM 02-13-2016 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel (Post 20725019)
This. I can only go on the UK, but it's fucking amazing to me how people aren't seeing this. It's like seeing all the content producers, paysites, and so on moaning about torrents and tubes, where the overheads are cut drastically by not having to actually buy any content, and 1 billion surfers replying "fuck your monopoly, the market will decide".

Baffling.

My friend is a minicab driver - his car cannot be over 5 years old (may be 3, I can't recall offhand), he pays exorbitant insurance, had to pay $x,xxx to apply and receive his licence after criminal background checks, medicals, and so on. The gov't set the rates that the company he rents his radio equipment from charge passengers.

I have another few friends that are London black cab drivers, which is even stricter as far as passing exams for street knowledge, are tied in to rates set by the gov't to charge passengers.

All people see is 'cheaper!' and are way too quick to dismiss legit gripes by the drivers adhering to the govt's fees, laws, CRB checks, and so on. Y'know, kinda like surfers shouting 'the vids here are FREE though! If they can do it why can't all porn sites?' :error

Correct.

It can be a bit different in each country, but there are high requirements for taxi drivers in Europe. And the legality of Uber is still questioned.. so it could be a matter of court ruling that could simply ban them.

Also, not true there is no competition among Taxi services, I can get a 5e fixed rate per ride here. That is not really much. Others can charge much more and per km basis and the drivers are professionals

There is a shitload of taxi services here, I don't really care about some shady amateurs from Uber without license at this time.


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